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Immigration in my area is heavily used for wage suppression.
My brother, who dropped out of school, lays carpet. He is very mad about immigrants “takin’ our jerbs”. He is also not a very good employee and miserably failed when he tried to start his own business…he wanted to be the boss without doing any work himeself… I imagine most people have made poor life choices and just need someone to blame.
I live in Canada. While it is not the fault of individual immigrants, even the Government of Canada and big banks have admitted that abuse of the International Student and TFW programs has put a lot of strain of public infrastructure and housing supply and has suppressed wages. These issues have absolutely objectively affected the average Canadian.
Every now and then you get someone on social media try to be smart and smugly say something like, “International Students can’t afford to buy a house. Explain to me how they’re driving up the cost of housing.” But they fail to realise it increases demand for rentals, and people buy single family homes to rent the rooms to those students, and so the demand for those rentals drives up the cost of houses.
You can acknowledge that not all immigration is good without blaming individual immigrants themselves. I’m always shocked when people who understand infinite growth is a fallacy when it comes to the corporate world, don’t understand that trying to grow the population into infinity year after year is just the government equivalent of that fallacy.
It’s a lack of nuance. Higher rates of population growth can be good, if pressure points like housing are planned for with zoning and permitting systems that promote densification in popular locations. The badness is neither the additional people nor the housing regulations individually, but instead is that they don’t match.
Also, there’s a lot of racism in the mix. The people with legitimate concerns about growth planning (or the lack thereof) end up mixed in with the people who are horrified at the idea of their racial group becoming a minority of the country’s population.
They’re wrongfully attributing to the immigrants what should be attributed to corporations, businesses and the extremely wealthy who are exploiting and trafficking immigrants.
Many people, when they look out at the world, all they want to see is themselves reflected back at them. When they see something else, they feel afraid.
there are several immigrants that made things worst: melania, THIEL, musk, cruz, . just not the ones that came with no money.
If ICE went after them instead, I would be okay with ICE.
Rich people said poor people have no health care because poorer people get sick sometimes.
And then the rich just belied this nonsense
“they impregnate (who’s kidding? they will say rape) our daughters”
Then something something blood purity. Probably come up with racial slurs for the baby and the mother as one if those ‘insert slur’-‘fuckers.’
The rednecks in America happen to do a hell of a lot of math. Oops. Meth. Not math. Well I guess they’re doing math when they convert fractions into decimals.
How has immigration affected the average voter?
Tasty ethnic food. There are tasty tacos around, some good Pho, there was an Ethiopian place around here, and tabouli with BBQ.
The remaining Caribbean place around here is really disappointing and the pulled pork is dry, so there is that.
It’s not just ethnic food. It’s all food. Did your food come from a farm? An immigrant worked on that farm.
How has immigration affected the average voter?
More competition on a job market, housing market and so on? Especially visible in big companies and big cities?
And immigrants famously will work longer hours for less, thus the capitalists are using them to keep wages low.
Seems like a good reason for unions and worker protection. Let’s have a good highly visible corp prosecution as a lesson
our shit wouldn’t be as cheap however and nothing is stopping people from building enough housing save the desire to keep prices artificially high. Lacking demand they could have just built less to maximize their gain. Given more demand yet they could have built more but little enough to again maximize gain. Seeing a pattern here?
nothing is stopping people from building enough housing save the desire to keep prices artificially high
I don’t know where you’re located. I live in a big European city. The space here is limited. The new housing is mostly being built outside of the city really, and it will take years for it to get the proper treatment (like buses, trams, metro line). The immigrants are directly competing with me for the in-city apartments. This could be different if you’re located in, IDK, Iceland, where the space is not really a problem, or in USA where you don’t have public services.
our shit wouldn’t be as cheap
Our cheap shit is imported from cheap countries though?
Given more demand yet they could have built more but little enough to again maximize gain
In 10 to 20 years. But the problem of competing for limited resources is now. Seeing a problem here?
Seeing a problem here?
Not really. This is not a new problem. This is not a surprise. This is the result of putting off change until it becomes a more serious issue.
Given the nature of politics, of people, problems will always be ignored until they become critical
Fuck the taco vote might break elections if people realize
The average American eats tacos with pre shred cheddar and sour cream. And it’s not bad, I like some Americanized foods, I liked Taco Bell before it became more expensive than getting the real thing. Most haven’t had a Mexican taco.
I was thinking on this just the other day. Without immigration, and native people alike, we wouldn’t have such good food. How can’t you hate people with such good food!?
Their eyes are offended by the very sight of someone different from them.
Easy.
There is a huge portion of the country, about 1/3, that knows they aren’t living the American dream, but they work hard and don’t understand why.
Then, someone tells them something slightly true. That there’s not enough pie to go around (semi-true), and that the reason there’s not enough pie is all the immigrants and freeloaders who aren’t working and are taking handouts (false).
What they aren’t told is there could be enough pie to go around, if the top 1% was willing to share. They aren’t. And they now control ~35% of wealth in the USA.
And then the top 1% uses that extra capital to tell that 1/3 of people that their Hispanic neighbor is the problem.
Once you get down to the bottom half they are all together possessed of only a single digit share of wealth between them
a big chunk of that bloc is first gen immigrants themselves.
all my 2nd gen immigrant friends have parents who hate new immigrants and support ICE type policies and are big Trump fans.
I often give the benefit of the doubt towards minorities. My internal hope is that since they are a minority, they surely have experienced bigotry, reflected on it as victims, and rejected that spirit.
That mentality of mine has been completely shattered over the last couple years. The majority of the immigrants I have known have floored me with their bigotry towards so many others. It has made me curious: Are they attracted to that part of our culture? Is this the predominant spirit of the world? What the hell does it mean?
First gen immigrants are affected by new immigrants, they’re in direct competition with the new guys and many are quite happy to pull up the ladder.
If that was all that was going on, it would be pretty understandable for that subset.
What I don’t get are the white ones with first gen immigrant partners.
most of the immigrant women I have dated wanted a conservative white guy boyfriend. probably because they were looking for a guy like their dad.
Before you judge too harshly, remember that they can’t physically vote and probably don’t know as much about politics. It is very easy to fall into right-wing pipeline under these conditons.
More importantly, them not being able to vote means they don’t effect you as much as some people want you to believe.
A lot of democrats blamed immigrants for the 2024 election results and there was a tiktok trend of reporting the unrelated immigrant neighbors to ICE.
A lot of democrats blamed immigrants for the 2024 election results
No Democrats blamed illegal immigrants, if that’s what you mean. That just did not happen because it makes no sense.
They DID blame the people who voted for Trump, even if they were from a community with a lot of immigration. Rightfully so.
If magas could read a post this long they might get it
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All my favorite food and culture comes from regions I am not native.
The reason is quite simple: It doesn’t make sense to have immigration anymore, because the country tries to have a certain number of people in it, and that number is reached now.
That was not the case 200 years ago when the US was still new and growing.
Basically, having mass immigration isn’t good because it doesn’t really help much but it costs a lot of resources to support all these extra people.
US is still growing, still benefiting from growth and our economy needs immigration to offset declining birthrate
And no, the resources argument has been debunked many times
we are many times less dense than the densest nations America isn’t “full” by any means and those extra people don’t “cost resources” they both consume and produce resources and bigger nations have both more economic and military power. Is your know how on national politics informed entirely by the game mechanics for simple strategy games?
Interesting, most countries need to continue immigration due to low birth rates. I believe if your country population isn’t growing, it’s more challenging financially.
Source?
How does one calculate this certain number?
Is it ok to be against immigration that lets people be exploited, such as h1-b without sufficient enforcement, or undocumented aliens where the person is at risk but the employer is not. We can fix it by better support of employee rights regardless of immigration status
I think that means you’re against exploitation, not immigration…
How is H1B people exploitation? All of my colleagues at the same position as me (a US citizen) make the same amount of money.
can be. People do choose and do benefit but
- artificially lowers wages. Supposed to be skills you can’t find but usually just cheaper pay
- employee has to leave the country if they lose their job.
- some employers will leverage that to exploit their situation with the employee
Clearly it’s not like undocumented aliens but it can still be exploitive and it’s something I think more people here are familiar with.
There may be millions of exploited undocumented aliens in jobs like construction and farm work that I’ll never meet. I know they exist but may never have direct experience. While work visas are less of an issue they are still an issue and throughout fields like technology where I’m assuming more lemmings are likely to meet them
It’s also something they willingly apply for and clearly want. OP is acting like they’re forced into it.
