I grew up listening to fundie christian parents babble at length how we were living in end times. And mocking them mercilessly (at first among my fiends, later to their faces) as often as possible.
Now look at us - on the brink of non-existence politically, environmentally, and civilizationally. Not sure that last one is a word.
If they were right I’m gonna have some 'splainin to do.
Dammit.
Just sayin. These fools are walking right into it.
There’s a conspiracy talk in local mid-eastern/muslim bubbles that Evangelicals seizing every opportunity to team up with Zionists to bring the Rapture as soon as possible.
The talk’s been around since Ottoman times so it’s easy to dismiss, but given between apathy to Israel state’s genocide and Trump’s fast start to his secondary term gives me chills no lie.
Btw, what made you think we weren’t living in the end times?
Edit: Ok i might have to do some explaining.
The way i understand it, we’re living in exactly the time period (1800 - 2050?) where people basically figure out all about technology. That puts us in the very special position that we can choose what the future looks like. Such a situation has never been there before. In some sense, god lives on the inside; it’s us who will permanently transform the world into its final state. That is the “second coming” and “end times”.
Don’t confuse coincidence for causation. For hundreds of years, people have been harping about the " end times." No 'splaining needed friend.
Self fulfilling prophecy. It’s a doomsday cult and they’re trying to bring the end times instead of waiting
When they said we’re living in the end times it wasn’t a prediction it was a threat
Personally, if I die only to find out that the Tyrant is real, I’ll gladly walk into hell before I kneel my way into heaven. Fuck their narcissistic, cruel, inhuman monster of a god.
I would expect in that case “hell” is just a lie anyway, like an abuser telling you you can’t live without them. It’s classic controlling behaviour.
Realising that helped me walk away from the whole thing: Why are we told hell exists if it isn’t real? Control.
If you predict it’s the end times every day for a thousand years, eventually you’ll get it right.
It’s more that it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy.
“The world will hate you,” so you’re antisocial and hateful in preparation. They do hate me! It’s all true!
“There will be wars and rumors of wars,” so you vote for the defense hawks supporting the military complex. So many wars! It’s all true!
“They won’t even tolerate your views, they’ll try to outlaw it!” So you try to ban them first. It’s all true!
Why protect the temporary environment when you have eternal paradise waiting? Why do ANYTHING meaningful here when you have eternal paradise waiting.
tl;dr: Death cult. Projection.
If you spend your life wanting to see the end, eventually you will.
Not only that, but these bad things HAVE TO HAPPEN before the good things can come to pass. That’s the order of operations. Which leads to seeing the bad things and thinking, “YES!!! It’s haaaappeniiiiing!!!”
You literally welcome disaster, because it proves you right, rather than working to prevent it.
It’s all just food prep for the Archons.
Yes it’s a death cult and we’re locked in the basement.
yeah but its all going downhill because of people like them. christians are complicit in the demise of democracy.
theyre causing their own doom so they can point it out. if they didnt exist, the world would be a better place.
theres a great meme somewhere where the rapture happens and the world is an amazingly better place for it.
Self proclaimed “Christians” don’t necessarily represent the true beliefs.
James 1:27
“Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to care for orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world.”
religion is itself a slippery slope greased with fantasy and hope created by men. when their major tomes require interpretation, any meaning useful to the con artist can be derived.
99% of different interpretations don’t cause that big of a difference, though. The broad important part of the faith remains the same. Usually the divide is mainly on church governance and management, as well as ceremonies, the science of how covenants work, etc. I grew up in a Baptist church, and it was quite common to have Anglican and Presbyterian ministers preaching there. I have been to Anglican churches where Roman Catholics were preaching and ecumenical services as well. We agree on 90% of stuff.
every religion was created by man to control man. to give credence to the slippery slope of divinity is to allow the eventual removal of responsibility from human beings.
religion is a disease, even if ‘mostly benign’.
That’s a very shallow and uninformed view to how religions start and their origins
Lmao imagine responding to James, the brother of Jesus’ letter saying “hur hurr hurr, actually, you’re wrong, that’s a no true scotsman fallacy ☝️🤓”
I was responding to you, dingus.
I was quoting James
Self proclaimed “Christians” don’t necessarily represent the true beliefs.
Chapter and verse?
James 1. Sure, verse 27, but there are other verses in there.
James 1:22-23, 26-27
[22] But be doers of the word, and not merely hearers who deceive themselves. [23] For if any are hearers of the word and not doers, they are like those who look at themselves in a mirror; [26] If any think they are religious, and do not bridle their tongues but deceive their hearts, their religion is worthless. [27] Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to care for orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world.
James 2:14-19, 26
[14] What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if you say you have faith but do not have works? Can faith save you? [15] If a brother or sister is naked and lacks daily food, [16] and one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and eat your fill,” and yet you do not supply their bodily needs, what is the good of that? [17] So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead. [18] But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I by my works will show you my faith. [19] You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder. [26] For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is also dead.
If you have the time, I highly recommend the book “American Apocalypse” by Matthew Avery Sutton. Really digs into the history of this whole thing and helps you realize just HOW MUCH of this shit is truly self fulfilling prophecy. I’m currently working up the courage to gift it to my highly evangelical family and forcing them to read it.
Self fulfilling prophecy
Exactly what I came here to say.
“The imaginary is what tends to become real.”
It’s been the “End Times” for the last 2000 years. They were full of shit then and they’re full of shit now.
Their whole death cult is predicated on the world ending in a violent fiery ocean of blood so that they, the only good people who won’t be damned to a burning torturous eternal punishment, will ascend to a paradise of everlasting Jonestown. It’s sheer insanity. Malicious, cruel, psychopathic insanity.
TBF this is the first time in 2000 years when we have billions of people warming up the planet and studies by actual scientists saying if we continue the way we are we have at most a couple of centuries left. Plenty of studies saying that when you know where to look.
When a denomination lies about when the apocalypse is coming they can gain more followers than they lose, look at all the offshoot denominations of Adventists/Millerites
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events
Depends who you’re talking about, but not necessarily. The Christian doctrine is that nobody is righteous, and that we don’t deserve to be with God because of that.
My denomination took that to it’s logical conclusion, that salvation is for everyone irrespective of their religious views.
So if someone doesn’t want to be with God, then they will be forced to be with Him? Does that mean Hitler is in heaven?
Pretty much, yeah.
Do you have any biblical backing for this viewpoint?
John 3:16. Salvation is by grace, not by works.
I love the word christofascist. I‘ll try to use it more from now on.
I’ve read their book several times. Take some comfort from the fact that if they are right, all of them are on the side they thought they were against.
Nobody is righteous. The only reason people are saved is through grace.
Yeah, and they don’t get saved by trying to anticipate the end times and leading others astray.
The book states ‘no one knows when’ several times; even in Revelations, the book literally about end times.
And there are many times in modern human history that people were sure it had kicked off. But it didn’t and things just got better again. It’s like our thing to almost wipe ourselves out but miserably kick on for another day.
We only just appeared here anyway so we’ll likely disappear just as recently as well and some other living thing will have its turn, and so on, and so on, until the sun takes out the atmosphere and then the planet. And fin.
That ball of meat we have in our skulls is too limiting in imagination. I like to think that we can’t even comprehend what comes next (the other side of whatever this is). but, having done enough LSD back in the 90s, I know it will be fun… Edit: Yes, also, it will come like a thief in the night…
You must have skipped the Old Testament
Lol…i’ll admit that i’ve skipped over more of it. it’s a lot more tedious than the new one. i have my own path though and don’t need no stinking books. my god encompasses all gods and everything. no one can think of a greater god because mine will just eclipse it. it also doesn’t require worship because it has much more self-confidence than those little pussy gods.
Funny you say that given how petty and insecure Yahweh is in the OT.
Definitely traits that I want to see in my all-knowing, all-powerful god… Jealousy and pettiness.
Yeah, my god calls that one a little tantrum baby
