CNN data guru Harry Enten broke down the latest polling in the Democratic Party on views toward Israel and the Palestinians on Wednesday and marveled at the massive shift in attitudes, declaring he’s “rarely” seen anything like it in his many years of looking at polling data.
Enten spoke to anchor Kate Bolduan in the context of Zohran Mamdani’s sweeping victory over ex-Gov. Andrew Cuomo in New York City’s Democratic Party mayoral primary last week.
“What are we talking about here? All right, who do Democrats sympathize more with: Israelis or Palestinians? In 2017, the Democratic Party was a pro-Israeli party. Look at this. They sympathized with the Israelis by 13 points—more with the Israelis than the Palestinians. But look at this sea change. Now, Democrats sympathize more with the Palestinians by 43 points.Oh my God! That is a change in the margin of 56 points over the course of just eight years. So all of a sudden, it’s the pro-Palestinian position that actually reigns supreme in Democratic politics, not the Israeli position. And that is part of the reason why Mamdani was able to do so well in this primary, because those attacks over Israel, simply put, did not ring true for Democrats”
Committing genocide tends to turn the public against you.
And somehow that comment is antisemitic. Because the Nazis are Jewish now. I just want people to stop killing other people!
I just want people to stop killing other people!
hey, that’s antisemitic! think of all the profits weapons companies could make, you’re hurting them. what about their freedom?
plus funding and censoring protests in colleges where most of the public/voting is does that too.
A tale as old as time. The abused grow up to become the abusers.
I mean, there wasn’t an incredibly well documented, active genocide happening 8 years ago.
That has a lot of sway on public opinion.
There was, in Palestine. In 2014, Israel murdered like 1,400 Palestinians. This is nowhere near new for Israel, it is SOP for 70 years. The difference is that social media platforms gave us a direct view that corporate media actively chooses to not show us, as you pointed to.
Reporting almost 60,000 killed in this current war. That’s over 40x as many. Not downplaying the 1,400 but let’s not pretend this isn’t a great escalation compared to the atrocities of the past
And likely much higher than that
It was an open air prison poised for a genocide then. I’m glad people are realizing that the Israeli is as evil as anything and they shield it with a blanket of “antisemitism” to shut everyone up. That old chestnut no longer is working.
I became aware in the last 2-3 years of the nineties, but I was always drawn to places that discussed these things.
It’s been ongoing and documented for decades.
The Israel’s were always very cruel to the Palestinians but you’d never know it due to the lack of media coverage
Did you drop an /s ?
Counterpoint: Iraq and Afghanistan
nonsensical whataboutism, find me contemporary sources calling either of those wars genocides or face my wrath
I would say that the most telling thing is that there hasn’t been a similar shift among Republicsns.
Anyone who can look at what Israel has done and is doing to the Palestinians in Gaza, and increasingly in the West Bank, without being filled with horror, revulsion and pity is a monster.
Fox News simply isn’t covering the genocide. There’s your explanation.
Republicans are shitty people full stop.
Also look at what percentage of voters switched parties.
Anyone who can look at what Israel has done and is doing to the Palestinians in Gaza, and increasingly in the West Bank, without being filled with horror, revulsion and pity is a monster.
Not like this is a surprise with Republicans. We knew that already. And looking back over my several decades of life, I think I can confidently say they were always this monstrous, they just used to think they had to be polite about it.
So all of a sudden
Maybe something happened that caused the shift? Hmm, what could it be?
Don’t say it or you’re an anti-semite. Shocking that opposing the murdering and starving of people is antisemitic.
Was right on the tip of my tongue, but can’t quite come up with it. Something about a gen or side? Something like that I think.
genside? generation? genetics? idk
Now that trump is implementing centrists’ only policy for them, they have to pretend to dislike it.
3 months back .world would have banned you for even suggesting genocide is bad.
I’ve been banned from three communities for precisely that. One of them even tried to get the admins to ban me sitewide for it.
The fuck are you on about, mate?
This community and others on .world downvoted and banned people because they didn’t support the Gaza genocide and didn’t like that both major parties supported it.
If you don’t believe me, you’re ignorant of this place.
This is a misrepresentation of what happened. We downvoted you for making bad election choices.
I voted for harris, and absolutely no centrist has ever cared. They don’t want to hear that their beloved genocide is wrong. There is nothing more to it and there never has been.
Seems oversimplified, but also, why are you talking to “centrists”?
I was here. You’re making shit up for the purpose of… shitting on a Lemmy instance? Get a life, dude.
Oh yes I’m making it up, just don’t check modlogs or the communities about reporting moderation on it. That’s too much to ask for.
What I think is most unbelievable is that the Israelis actually think people are buying their BS excuses. They really need to take lessons from Trump who apparently can make millions believe the most ridiculous lies.
Israelis don’t really care as long as people keep voting for the two parties which are in their pocket.
I hate that you’re correct
Honestly, I’m not even sure it’s just the funding. Israel has the Mossad, famously one of the most effective and ruthless intelligence agencies on the planet. Is it really hard to imagine they simply have damning blackmail material on many of the political leaders of both parties? The carrot is the AIPAC money. The stick is the Mossad and its tools. Hell, for a particularly troublesome lawmaker, would they even be above resorting to assassination? Look at how many innocent people they’re willing to kill to get one Hamas or Iranian military leader. If they thought killing a US House member of Senator was necessary to keep US support, do you really think they would be above that? I certainly don’t. And I don’t think they would be above subtly pointing that out to US lawmakers.
The Israelis are masters at assassinating foreign leaders. They mostly apply that to their enemies, but if they’re convinced a US lawmaker is their enemy, there’s no reason to suspect they would be above killing US leaders as well. I honestly believe that many US leaders support Israel in part out of a genuine fear for their physical safety. The killing of a US leader would likely be done quietly, rather than a bomb dropped on someone’s house. But I have zero doubt that Israel makes credible death threats against US leaders.
It’s a combination. They fund people who work with them and get them trips to Epstein Island. They destroy people who oppose them.
Isn’t that what Netanyahu has being doing all along?
I was kind of on Iseral’s side in the beginning. 1200 dead for no reason?
Then I found out Iseral started murdering peaceful prostestors before Hamas came over. Fuck Iseral and their bullshit.
Even Hamas tried peaceful protests in 2017 and Israel murdered them.
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I’m with you on this one. What could they do but hvae their snipers target the elderly, children, and disabled? And they were being humane too! They were aiming specifically for the knees so rhat they wouldn’t be killed, but just completely disabled for the rest of their lives. Honestly confused as to why Israeli leadership wasn’t nominated for a Nobel peace price for that one.
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That’s verifiably nonsense. I don’t know how you feel about holocaust deniers, but that’s what you are to me right now. And to many others. There’s no room in society for you, as far as I’m concerned.
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I’ve looked at these, and here’s a blog post carefully going over the points made, meticulously refuting them one by one.
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No about the handicapped people in wheelchairs and medics which the IDF sniped.
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The guy who denied CT scan pictures of IDF sniping kids in the head? Really?
Israel has a long and fucked up history. They’re like a little ADHD fucker in the playground with the huge older brother and a father as the head school administrator. No one dare punch the little fucker in the face.
Whenever someone claims they are “gods people”, you’re going to have a bad time.
Israelis have been downpressing the Palestinians for as long as there have been Israelis and Palestinians
It was a false flag, obvious from the first tape of the assault at the party
Yes, committing active and rapid genocide out in the open will do that
I doubt Israel and Palestine had that much of an effect on the New York city mayoral race. Just because this guy is Muslim they are making all these crazy assumptions. Frankly it seems a little racist at this point and super embarrassing to watch
Asking someone running for mayor about international politics seems like a real “sir, this is a Wendy’s” moment.
Agreed. I think Mamdani won the primary on more of a “he is not a sex pest” vibe than his views on international politics.
At least that’s the impression I got based on my wife’s conversations with her friends.
I voted for him too, but more because he seems like he actually wants to try to make people’s lives better. I don’t think he will be able to accomplish most of what he is promising, but I do think he is going to at least /try/ to improve things.
I have nothing to do with NY and with any luck I never will. But kudos to you looking out for yourselves and not electing absolute monsters. US politics are so.obvious to people outside, you guys are as sheltered as north korea.
I hate you whoever came up with saying points instead of percentage.
It’s because describing a 56 percentage point increase as 56 percent increase implies a totally different result. A 56 percentage point increase on 10% is 66%. A 56 percent increase on 10% is 15.6%.
Holy shit
As usual: https://xkcd.com/985/
I assume it was adopted from sports betting, which I don’t understand.
People can fathom +56 points but +56% and their brains turn to goo. Just like most people need a calculator or special app to figure out tip.
they’re the same thing
They are not the same thing. Like, at all.
Yes that’s the point :3
But they’re not. And someone explained how they’re not an hour before you made this reply.
Hm. Fair. I guess I meant the whole phrase “percentage points”.
Me 3 years ago, somewhat ignorant: “I’m okay with sending bombs to Israel.”
Me, today: “I’m okay with ‘sending’ bombs to Israel.”
The important difference between “send them quickly” and “send them fast”
Yeah, boy, wair for it: there’re also a million less palestinians to sympathise with than there were 8 years ago. I think something is going on down there. Something very anti-semitic.
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It’s probably the escalation of the genocide. If Israel were to stop committing genocide and move to reconcile and take actions to prevent it in thr future I’m pretty sure most of us would be open to reevaluating our position. Plenty of us like the modern Germany after all.
A non-genocidal apartheid state is still an apartheid state.
Plenty of us like the modern Germany after all.
I’ve got bad news for you about modern Germany
Younger democrats…18-49…the fuck. Doing some heavy lifting with that younger phrase calling 40-50 younger 😂
1/2 of the people in politics in the USA remember eating woolly mammoth burgers, so there’s that.
Just goes to show how up to date they are.
What’s that bullshit about Mamdani facing criticism about not being outspoken enough against antisemitism?
Same spin on all people calling for an end of war since Netanyahu decided that being against the genocide was antisemitic.
Same shit when any individual with an even remote arabian origin needs time and again to formally condemn islamist terrorist attacks, otherwise they’re instantly labeled terrorist supporters or some shit.
So be prepared to read a lot about “ambiguous position” on antisemitism because no matter what he says or does, they need to slap that label on him.
I wonder how these people would feel when they find out “islamist terrotists” attack muslims more than any other group also.
They’ll go on and on about antisemitism (which often is just criticism of a nation-state, so not actually antisemitism), but then it’s deafening silence when it comes to racism against black people. Systemic discrimination against people of color is still alive and well in the U.S. But when have you heard this administration talk about it.
Thank you for posting this.
The people are rousing and that at least is consoling in the midst of this ongoing genocide by the state of Israel.
