Ok so the setup is I have not been watching recent media of the last half decade or so but the dog in superman along with some reviews got me thinking about grabbing it once its available digitally. However I recently found out some of my neighbors are geeky and one is into comics as the main thing and they both recommended FF4 (editing this to say that is supposed to be fantastic four and I don’t know what I was thinking. fantasctic four 4. lol. sorry. boy would have saved me a lot just to write it properly to begin with) and thunderbolts over superman. They felt superman was alright and the dog was sorta the best part but FF4 and thunderbolts blew them away. So for lemmikins and other members of the federation who have seen all three movies. How do you feel about them or rank them or whatever you think it right but you should have watched all three in their entirety.
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Superman was a great time. Very positive vibes though there’s some dark moments. It felt like a successor to the first two Christopher Reeve movies.
Fantastic Four was also a great time. It really felt like they were a family. Saw it twice last weekend.
Thunderbolts was also very good. I enjoyed seeing the characters come together, similar to the first Avengers movie.
All three are worth the time. Doesn’t matter which order you watch them.
If you haven’t seen it, Sinners was also very good. I know it doesn’t fit the superhero/comic book theme, but it was so good.
This superman was actually good and the best superman I’ve seen (story wise) also there is a lot going on world building wise as it’s the start for the new DC-U. Meanwhile FF4 is just another Marvel movie imo.
The way I understand it the fantastic four is in a separate universe so they should be both act like one offs from my perspective but I guess if If whatever follows supes is good then it would be a bit of an advantage. Right now I think I have at least tossed thunderbolts out and it will be between supes and F4 but we will be buying whatever when it comes out digitally. Whats funny is, from what I got from this post, is that both sound like they might be better with an extended cut.
I don’t know which character you are talking about, but Meteo in FF4 is quite powerful.
doh. FF4 is a bit redundant and I don’t know what I was thinking. Will edit.
Yeah I knew, I was just horsing around.
no worries. totally got you were joking but all the same your right. fantastic four 4? It is my type of thing to do though. I can totally see many people reading it and being like. FF4. does he mean fantastic four because that would be like four 4.
I mean… Isn’t it actually Fantastic Four 4?
EDIT: I was wrong. This new one is FF5. Fant4stic was FF4.
So I’m a giant comic book nerd [email protected] says hello! and I’ve seen all three PLUS Captain America: Brave New World.
Here’s what I think:
Superman has a level of optimism that the others lack. Supes is, inherently, a good person who wants to do good. It’s hard not to like him. Yes, Krypto is excellent, but the stand out side-character is Mister Teriffic. I never thought I’d see the day where a movie had a live action Mister Teriffic. (Yes, he was in the CW TV shows, no, I don’t count that.)
Fantastic Four is VERY good. It carries with it this impending sense of DOOM throughout though. It’s also the shortest of the four movies at 1 hour, 55 minutes vs. 2 hours, 10 minutes for Superman, 2 hours, 6 minutes for Thunderbolts* and 1 hour, 58 minutes for Cap.
FF really needed an extra 10-20 minutes to flesh out Ben. Everyone else in the film has a job to do, but Ben is just kind of “there”. There are hints of a larger plot thread for him, but it’s undeveloped and ultimately dropped. :(
Thunderbolts* and Captain America: New World Order - I’m going to talk about both of these at once because they are both related.
Both films are tying up loose ends in the Marvel Universe before Fantastic Four re-sets everything for the next phase.
Prior to these films, you had dangling plot threads from The Incredible Hulk (2008), the Eternals (2021), Black Widow (2021), Wakanda Forever (2022), Ant-Man and the Wasp (2023), and Disney+ shows Falcon and the Winter Soldier (2021), Hawkeye (2021).
That’s a lot, and while you don’t have to go into them having seen all that, you definitely get more out of them if you HAVE seen all that. Red Guardian is my Spirit Animal.
Supes and FF require no previous knowledge of anything and I think they both benefit from starting something new rather than ending something pre-existing.
Is it SATISFYING watching Cap and Thunderbolts wrap things up? Oh, absolutely! But again, giant nerd and I mainlined all that content as it came out.
thank you so much. since I have been avoiding content for awhile it kinda sounds like thunderbolts might not be so great for us as we need more of a one and done.
Yeah, Thunderbolts* starts with the premise of “Hey, let’s take these extra characters from Black Widow, Hawkeye, Ant-Man and the Wasp, Falcon and Winter Soldier and just kill them all off…” but if you haven’t seen all that, and don’t really know who they are, it’s not as impactful.
I have yet to see F4. Reviews have sounded pretty middling. Most people are vaguely positive about it but with some criticisms.
I enjoyed Thunderbolts a lot, but it’s a character story. For as powerful a character as Sentry is, this was a very small movie in a good way. If you enjoy character work, I think it’s the best of the three.
And then there is Superman. Maybe it’s just because I haven’t seen a good Superman movie in over 40 years, but I really loved this movie. It’s got heart. It’s got big characters with great chemistry. It is a little bit camp, but it understands and respects Superman. It’s not afraid to slow down for a couple of character beats, but there is a stopwatch running the whole time and it is a little relentless. Plus the music incorporates John Williams’s theme and I loved every note of it.
I haven’t seen Thunderbolts.
Superman was really good, particularly at setting up emotional stakes. I felt visceral disgust at how awful Lex Luthor was. Lois’s relationship with Superman was complex and they challenged each other’s ideals. The plot also felt topical without being too hamfisted, characters and situations were reminiscent of real people and situations while still feeling like they had their own identity instead of being cheap stand ins.
Fantastic Four was ok, it doesn’t do anything wrong but I didn’t find anything about it particularly memorable or groundbreaking. Acting, direction, effects, and writing were all competent and it’s definitely the best F4 movie ever made but that’s not enough for me to recommend it unless you’re a huge F4 fan.
So I am a comics fan and lean marvel. I was talking to the guys about fantastic four in particular about the character interactions. how the thing relates to the torch with their rivalry and sorta opposite personalities and then reed and sue being a couple and the torch and sue being siblings and the thing and reed being friends. How well did the actors portray the characters?
They do a decent job portraying the family dynamic but they’re trying to cram a lot into a single movie and while they achieved an impressive feat by actually getting it all in there, none of it has the space to be truly excellent.
If you’re just looking for a movie that (finally) does justice to the Fantastic Four then this is it. It’s not the greatest marvel movie ever but it’s solid.
I can totally see this. One complaint I have had with the fantastic four is I feel it would be much better as a series than movies because of the dynamics.
- They’re just movies. Pirate 'em if you’re feeling cheap but there’s no reason you have to choose beyond order. No reason to stress.
- People have their favorites; don’t assume that being “into comics” means their opinion is significantly more valuable than someone else’s. In fact, that can lead to prioritizing things in a way that’s not universal and might even be offputting to people who are into movies as the main thing, for instance the people who like the LOTR books thinking that absolutely ruining the pacing of the Jackson movies to cram in more pages worth of book was a good idea.
- I haven’t seen the other two, but while Thunderbolts is a solid return to form for Marvel, that is still sort of “nice but empty calories.” Don’t get me wrong; I liked it, and they took pains to drop in a few lines of dialogue so you don’t have to spend a month taking notes on old movies and Disney Plus shows to get the gist of who the characters are. Still, it’s not an essential cinematic experience.
Thanks but Im to lazy to pirate and I don’t really like it. I am by no means against it as I think copyright should be like 20 years and thats it. I actually decided to post on ask lemmy precisely to get a broader idea of what people think. I appreciate your review for thunderbolts which is exactly the kind of Sincere type of thing I was looking for. In this case we have some credits that we will have to use for something so im gauging what to use them for.
Haven’t seen F4. Thunderbolts was OK but a typical Marvel feeder movie where the story feels less important than setting up the sequel/next team up. Superman was a more interesting story but needed more room to breathe. It needed better editing and to slow down a bit.
I mean, they’re superhero movies, so the bar is low. No ones expecting a deep experience and maybe I’m experiencing superhero fatigue but as an old fart, my bar is the Donner Superman movies and the Nolan Batman movies. Maybe I need to go into them with less expectations.
actually this is what I wanted. I to have just found the faire lacking. LIke by the time of avengers endgame it was mostly about seeing the end of the arc and I foolishly hoped doctor strange 2 would be the good one. Since I have not been watching anything some of the hype around superman seemed genuine and I thought about dipping intomodern faire. We have some credits we need to use but there is a chance we may go with something pre 2015.
Strange 2 would’ve been better if they left Sam Raimi alone to make it a proper horror movie. He clearly wanted to and with those 2 characters it could’ve been epic. But thats what I mean about marvel constantly making ‘franchise’ movies - everything has to ‘lead in’ to the next movie. I’d really like for them to make an actual movie thats good without the need to keep it PG and keep it focused on the wider arc. The MCU has become more and more like an increasingly predictable soap opera.
EDIT: when we left the cinema after Thunderbolts people were talking about the post credit scenes and F4 which kind of illustrates what I’m saying - shouldn’t they be talking about the movie they just watched?
Superman is, IMO, a better movie because the story is a lot stronger but its not a truly great movie to me. The pacing felt really weird. But some of the shots of Supes flying in particular were really great and looked like a comic book come to life. I guess it was a promising start but flawed.
