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The funniest thing about proprietary nvidia drivers on linux is that they’re still easier to install than using the GeForce app lmao.
dnf install akmod-nvidia
No sign in to a fat game launcher ad ridden app to upgrade your GPU driver
How the fuck does this protect kids? Adjusting graphics settings? Why not bar them from adjusting volume while they’re at it.
Some of those graphics might be showing boobies. Obviously this must be regulated.
No it is not. Dont be a fucking ridiculous idiot.
Nvidia app is DEI woke. Gotta protect the kids.
wow, wow there. no loud music after 8. If the nightstand mic doesn’t pick up the nightly potus prayer, your front door is getting bust open
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Of course we are not going to tell you why, but you get 1 strike./s
b-but how are they going to protect us minors
from the evil NVIDIA app?!
serious talk tho the overreach was unsurprisingYou can download the Nvidia driver directly from their website
People who care about privacy wouldn’t use the Nvidia app. (And wouldn’t be on Windows)
Yeah, but Nvidia Cards on Linux are “fun”. Fuck Nvidia
They have worked for a while now. They just aren’t as good as AMD cards but that’s true on all platforms
I don’t use that shitty application. Just use Nvidia Inspector and Nvidia Control Panel. That application is data collection spyware.
I don’t use that shitty application. Just use Linux.
I’ll switch to Linux when there isn’t a performance trade off for using an Nvidia GPU.
Running a 3060, no issues I can tell.
YMMV obviously: There was some driver fuckery I had to sort out because I’m stupid (curious and clueless is a dangerous mix), and I might not be running the most demanding games or programs (Jedi: Survivor might be one of the heavier ones? I have no idea)
I also might have lower standards: I’m playing 1080p 60fps and generally don’t notice FPS issues unless it drops below ~45, because I grew up using to an old-as-fuck laptop to play Skyrim at 20fps (unless there were too many spells flying around and it dropped to 5-10).
Still, the consensus seems to be that AMD is better for Linux, and I’m coming around too.
I run a 4080 super and spent 2+ K on my system. I want it to run well.
Just switch to CachyOS and so far I’ve noticed improved performance if anything (on a 3080 10gb). The latency difference between it and Windows is just unreal.
That’s the case for DX11 or older games but any DX 12 game it’s 20 to 15 percent less performance and that’s a no go for me. Once it gets addressed, then I’ll consider switching.
Maybe it’s system to system, or something with the older nvidia drivers, but I’ve specifically noticed the improved performance in Expedition 33 and Jedi: Fallen Order which I think are both DX11/12?
Looks like they are working on it.
Damn so its gonna get even faster? My Windows install must have been more borked than I thought bc I already get performance parity at minimum. Guess I should have kept up with reformatting annually instead of biennially.
If there are Linux applications that aren’t complete janky shit, I’ll switch.
I need a multitrack DAW recorder that understands older and newer audio interfaces and a good multi-camera video editor.
I use bitwig and davinci and they work great. not sure what you mean by “applications that aren’t complete janky shit.” there are a ton of applications available on linux, both paid and free, and their quality varies as much as anywhere else.
“I tried nothing and I’m all out of options!”
They are denying us the power of the digital age, taking it for themselves.
Lol good luck, the entire thing that makes it so powerful is the collective
That is a lawsuit.
gen z is pushing 30 btw
For the curious 1997-2012 28-13
This happens all the time. I still see what I call boomers (likely younger than actual boomers) call gen z millennials constantly. The oldest millennials are like mid 40s but in the popular imagination we are still kids in our 20s. It’s like society is 10-15 years behind almost
feels so grimm
This is why you Linux, point blank.
Nvidia is still closed source, even on Linux…
Use the nouveau drivers of course
They did release Open Kernel drivers, which I hadn’t tested. Those are the “open-source” drivers. Sure, their firmware could be proprietary (though I didn’t see any issues with it).
Linux beginners and Nvidia cards aren’t really a good mix in all fairness
That’s because people don’t really learn which operating systems work well for NVIDIA drivers. I’d recommend Mint, Pop_OS!, Nobara Project and CachyOS based upon their experience with computers. Those all work well with NVIDIA.
Very good point, always forget Nobara exists but it seems like the best “out of the box” solution if you really don’t want to do it yourself. That being said, to learn anything you need to understand how it works and it’s endlessly frustrating to me that Linux is the one where people just throw their hands up and give up instantly if anything goes wrong and they can’t fix it in the same way they did in a completely different platform.
On Linux you have no official GUI companion app for your graphics card from NVIDIA AFAIK.nvidia-settings is official
On X11 you do (I think some distros ship it). Otherwise, that’s not necessarily the case on Wayland.
You are right. I forgot, that there actually is a GUI panel for NVIDIA. It’s pretty simplistic, but still that makes my previous claim false.
nvidia drivers in linux can be a monumental mess
That certainly was the case for a long time. I’ve haven’t had any issues for 5+ years. Devs made it a priority.
Just don’t use a monitor that’s DRM’d for Windows only. I made that mistake with an FI27Q-SA (AORUS monitor) once, and that was a $600 US waste.
How does that even work, is there just no video output when you boot in to Linux?
Does the Linux build of GeForce experience not do this, because if it does then it’s still a problem
We don’t have geforce experience on Linux (afaik). Ubuntu has a built in “proprietary drivers” app that just pulls the Nvidia drivers for you on first boot after install. Very low effort (on the happy path at least. If you use unsupported/brand new cards, you’re probably going to have a much less fun time)
So it sounds like the wall was written to police more than just porn sites? Or is this companies doing this to harvest your data?
It’s to prevent autonomous agency. It’s to prevent people from having privacy and individuality end of discussion. The last system like this was under the gestapo and secret police under Hitlers regime.
Boomers will also get locked out of a lot of content because verifying their age is too complicated. I feel no sympathy.
They did the thing they were supposed to do. They voted for the Ultra-Far Left Woke Labour Party.
Labour hasn’t been anywhere near the left since Tory Blair became leader, he grew up a Tory supporter, failed to get in as a Tory politician so decide on transforming Labour into the neo-Tory party which he was successful at, not that Labour before hand was the friend of the average worker or the poor but at least they were better, now they are hostile to the working class and the poor 😞
Labour hasn’t been anywhere near the left since Tory Blair became leader
Well, there was that brief bright moment with Corbyn. But then he got the Julius Caeser treatment for siding with the Radical Islamist Extremism of the anti-genocide movement.
now they are hostile to the working class and the poor
Okay, but have you considered all the new AI they are helping create.
I cannot tell if you are serious
Labour are far left are they. I feel your political compass is somewhat misconfigured.
Dumb take, here take my downvote.
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Shh
lol
Zoomers need to learn they don’t need to use Nvidia’s app for this. Just download the driver directly.
NVCleanInstall lets you install NVidia drivers without using their GeForce Experience software
You can on Linux just saying
It’s like people are just now noticing that they have zero ability to control their own digital lives because they traded it all away in order to not have to take the time to learn how to do things for themselves.
not trying to be rude, but it’s easy to get tunnel vision especially with tech spaces. before becoming involved in tech i had no idea that linux was even a thing. most of these people need education, they just didn’t know their options. they didn’t “choose” to throw away their rights because they didn’t know they had a choice.
I agree with this.
We all need to make what we know freely available in a friendly manner to make the path to Linux easier and more fun.
I have been offering 1:1 chats on signal to anyone who wants help switching to Linux.
Asking questions in forums and social media is intimidating. I despise the snobbery that often represents this community. I just want to help people regain some control over their digital lives.
Man you are doing <insert deity>'s work there
I would be interested. So far I can’t say that I have ever been helped on social media or dedicated forums when it comes to Linux. It went mostly like this:
Me: “I have problem X. How can I solve it or at least get closer to a solution?”
Answer: “Lol, you idiot, you don’t even know how to do that!”
Me: “No, I don’t know. That’s why I’m asking. So what do I have to do? Edit a certain script? Get a certain program?”
Answer: “Grow a brain you noob!”
(Rinse and repeat)
Alternative answer, rarely: (Crickets)
I came to two conclusions because of this. First: The Linux community has the highest density of trolls of all communities. By far. Second: None of those people actually knew the answer to any of my questions, otherwise narcissism would have kicked in at least once and made someone slip a solution, just to brag with their knowledge and skills. Which means that the Linux community is also the least tech-savvy community as well. By far. So if someone actually knows something about Linux, they can’t be found in any Linux-dedicated place. At all.
Everything I learned about Linux to this day is based on trial-and-error. But I don’t have the time anymore to do that and it’s in general too time-consuming to reinstall distros over and over again because I went too far when trying something new. Currently I’m using Mint to browse the internet or do office tasks. But I would like to do more, like running certain Windows programs like DAWs with low latency. Or raising the polling rate of USB mice above 10 Hz (as in ten - that’s not a typo). Fortunately, copying or moving more than 1 GB to or from USB sticks without crashing the entire machine (no matter if NTFS or ExFAT) was solved last year, probably because of a kernel update. Well, it’s a work-in-progress-project, I know that Linux is more of a beta version of an OS and it’s free, I’m not complaining about such issues. I’m experimenting, having a look what can be done.
I’m okay with things actually not being possible. I would never complain about ReactOS not running modern Windows programs either. But I’m tired of Linux trolls claiming all kinds of stuff without ever providing any description, tutorial or evidence. And I’m tired of them insulting me because I don’t know something they obviously don’t know either. It’s ridiculous. So yeah, I’m still interested in talking to a single person who might actually know something and who is not part of “that Linux community”.
Or raising the polling rate of USB mice above 10 Hz (as in ten - that’s not a typo).
I don’t know the answer, but I’m interested, what do you use that for?
Fortunately, copying or moving more than 1 GB to or from USB sticks without crashing the entire machine (no matter if NTFS or ExFAT) was solved last year, probably because of a kernel update.
I believe it has a lot to do with the default amount of dirty memory. dirty memory is mostly the write cache, which is unnecessary to have a lot of, as that does not improve anything after a certain point, but at best it can mislead you to believe that a copy opetation started with 200 MB/s and that it finished when it actually did not yet.
https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/sysctl/vm.html
you can fix these limits with sysctl files. they are loaded on boot on typical systemd systems. suggestions are in the manjaro post, relevant for any desktop linux system.
maybe it’s worth to set these up even if you are good for now. It’s good to hear a kernel change could have fixed it though. maybe they have finally revised the defaults, they wanted to do that for a few years now…
Thanks for the links. I will have a look, didn’t even know about kernel.org, nobody before you mentioned it.
I suspect the polling rate to be responsible because the movement of all USB mice turns out to be incredibly slow and choppy. A few years ago it was the worst, it looked and felt like it was down to 2 Hz. This got slowly better with kernel updates, now it seems to be around 8-10 Hz but that still makes using USB mice pointless. The mouse problem always occurs no matter if the machine is close to idle or doing a lot (with or without USB, doesn’t matter) and no matter which brand or model.
I also wrote a script to apply gamma correction via xgamma whenever the machine starts or returns from standby (because gamma isn’t remembered and returns to default). A little inconvenient in comparison to Windows or Mac. I would be okay with that - if the script would get executed whenever I start the machine or go out of standby. Which is not the case, sometimes it just doesn’t happen and I have to do it manually. So what’s the point of trying to automate anything then if Linux does things whenever it feels like it?
Yes, there are applets for gamma adjustment which also remember settings. But it turned out updating them crashes Cinnamon when it tries to restart (depending on the kernel version), forcing me to force a shotdown with the power button. This is one of those problems that keeps disappearing and reappearing for years. At some point I had enough and decided to use xgamma.
It’s all those little inconvenient and unreliable things that keep me from using Linux for anything that goes beyond browsing the web or doing office stuff (not mentioning missing drivers). I end up spending too much time with maintenance or finding workarounds, ultimately serving the machine more than the other way around.
I will have a look, didn’t even know about kernel.org, nobody before you mentioned it.
its mostly developer documentation about programming APIs, but there’s also admin docs, not only at the admin-guide pages.
if the script would get executed whenever I start the machine or go out of standby. Which is not the case, sometimes it just doesn’t happen and I have to do it manually.
what is its current trigger?
if yours is a systemd based system, it’s often recommended to make a service unit file for the script, like this:
[Unit] Name=restore gamma on resume WantedBy=sleep.target [Service] After=sleep.target Exec=/usr/local/bin/yourscript.shsave this in /etc/systemd/system/gammasleep.service (runs services as root), and run systemctl daemon-reload for it to notice the new file. systemctl enable --now to start it and make it autostarted on boot.
I have written this from memory on phone, so it might need corrections, but this is basically it, plus edit the exec line. docs is in man systemd.service, man systemd.unit. man systemd.directives tells you which man page documents a specific key.
you can check logs with journalctl -u gammasleep.service. an f gives you a running log with shorter history.
probably I could have written all of this after you confirmed you did not use a systemd service yet…
It’s all those little inconvenient and unreliable things that keep me from using Linux for anything that goes beyond browsing the web or doing office stuff
oh I felt the same when I first tried to switch to linux on my main desktop. everything was inconvenient without my usual tools and the system was breaking down from time to time. I got burned out, 2 years later I retried and now I haven’t gone back to the windows install for months, and there’s not much problems now. probably I was being clumsy and doing things the wrong way 2 years ago, but it’s hard to tell because I don’t remember.
Sent you a DM, Interested to hear more about these problems!
in a friendly manner
Emphasis on “friendly” because there’s a big “RTFM” issue on some Linux communities. Sure, it can be annoying getting the same questions constantly. But the “RTFM” response is condescending and artificially inflates the barrier to entry. People shouldn’t be expected to read, understand, and remember 200 pages of dense documentation just to learn how to update their graphics drivers. If someone is learning how to drive, telling them “read the owner’s manual for your car” is just toxic. Sure the owners manual will have lots of useful info, but that doesn’t actually help the person who is trying to get started.
At the very least, point them in the right direction. You can say “RTFM” while still being helpful. Oh, you want to know how to do something specific via CLI? Cool, here’s a link to that specific section, which explains what the command you need does. As it currently stands, a lot of the most crucial info for newcomers is buried in obscure wiki articles and books. And longtime Linux users treat the struggle like a rite of passage. But not everyone is interested in that; They just want to ditch Windows because they can’t install Win11, and they’re looking for friendly alternatives.
I do agree with a lot of what you’re saying.
Linux has historically been a space for tech people and so the default assumption is that the user is competent (jokes aside…) and capable of understanding technical writing.
So, naturally, if a person asks a question which is answered in the documentation then they’re reminded that the answers exist already in the expected places and asking other people to do your own research for you rude.
The Linux demographic is shifting and we need to adjust, but cultural norms change slowly.
and they’re looking for friendly alternatives.
I think that this is part of the trap that keeps people stuck in the spyware/enshittification market.
Technology is complicated.
Try to imagine, from a technical point of view, how complex it is to run a service like Netflix. There are a lot of highly trained people designing, managing and maintaining the various systems to run the service that lets a user touch a picture on their phone screen to see a movie.
The user has an easy, friendly experience but that’s only because Netflix handles all of the complexity. This seems like a good deal initially. I mean,
$10$12$15$19.99/mo is a good price to pay to not have to know how to do all of that.But, now the user is completely dependent on service providers to stand between them and the complexity of technology so they never have a chance to learn because they never see how anything works.
This Faustian bargain is what lets these companies continue to spy on people and jack up the price of services while offering less service. Where are the users going to go?
Linux and the open source community offer a different bargain. You have to learn how to do things for yourself, but now you have actual meaningful choices about how you use technology and a community of people who are trying to solve the same problems as you.
Sure, it isn’t as easy. But easy isn’t free, and I’m tired of paying what they want to charge.
My literal job consists of helping other (generally much less technically savvy) representatives provide support to our end users, and it being their literal job to provide “tech” help to users is still not enough of an incentive for 80+% of them to learn anything beyond basic computing. Sometimes it’s like pulling teeth just to get a fucking click path or screenshot of what’s actually happening.
Now expand that out to now I am not getting paid to help people and those asking for help are often VERY entitled that they deserve to have their hand held through the entire process. It’s frustrating and often thankless.
There’s an older manual for how to ask a “hacker” for technical help that I think is so spot on for setting proper expectations: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Up until now, we’ve been hiding it in wikis and books, where we know nobody will look. 😂
There are some user friendly distributions, but even they will be uncomfortable and frustrating to use when you’re new.
Having to relearn how to use a computer is daunting for people. It’s a lot easier to just touch an app and have the instant gratification.
The point of all of these apps and services is to get people dependent on them so that they’re unwilling to leave because the alternative requires effort. I don’t know that Linux, as a whole, can ever be that user friendly. But, eventually some people will be tired of being squeezed for cash and spyed on just to save a few weeks of reading and learning.
