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    Trump is handling the peace negotiations in the most spectacularly embarrassing way. Giving the aggressors in a conflict concessions in exchange for a pinky swear that they won’t do it again? Wow, what a concept. Historically bulletproof strategy that has never failed or backfired in any way.

    I saw someone write once that Trump is so obsessed with making deals, and being known as a great dealmaker, to the point where the terms of the deal are often irrelevant to him. If the terms are favorable, he honors the deal. If he discovers later that the terms were not favorable to him, he reneges.

    This kind of behavior works when you are a billionaire developing real estate because the people he screws over rarely have the funds to fight him in court, and have their workers’ livelihoods to think about. Even if they do take him on, or they get a law team to work pro bono, he drags out the court proceedings and delays paying court judgements, or he opts to settle for much less than what was promised initially.

    This doesn’t work in geopolitics, but he doesn’t know how to operate any other way. He wants to make a deal, and if he has to give away America’s most valuable natural resources to close that deal, he’ll do it. Doesn’t matter if Putin has no intention of giving up the fight in Ukraine, Trump just wants to feel like he’s some great peacemaker.

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    So he was Putin’s bitch all along! Who could have guessed it?

    Anyway…

    Release the Trump/Epstein files

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      It’s insane that anyone needs more proof.

      He’s been pretty clearly working with Russia since like the 90’s.

      The Russia investigation origins conspiracy theory or Russia counter-narrative[1] is a conspiracy theory narrative created by Donald Trump, Rudy Giuliani, Republican Party leaders, and right-wing[2][3] conservatives.[4] It attacks the legitimacy and conclusions of multiple investigations into Russian interference in the 2016 elections and the public and secretive links between Russian intelligence and Trump associates. Trump in particular has attacked the origins and conclusions of the Crossfire Hurricane and Mueller investigations and ordered Attorney General William Barr[5][6] and U.S. attorney John Durham[7] to conduct reviews of the investigations.[8][9][10][11]

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_investigation_origins_conspiracy_theory

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        As someone who actually watched the impeachment … Holy shit there is SO MUCH evidence that Trump’s campaign was helped by Russia and that he is basically a Russian tool. Like … Mountains of evidence that people just pretend doesn’t exist.

        It’s wild AF to me honestly. People just don’t want to believe what the evidence says is the truth so they called it a “Russia hoax” and that’s that. All it took was saying the word hoax for all of Trump’s bootlicking sycophants to ignore their own eyes and ears.

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          I think it’s more just about the regular person not having the interest to even remotely look at the thing.

          If the large majority of people actually were made to watch and give their verdict… I think it would be pretty clear.

          The crazies are a minority but they’re a very vocal minority so that it seems like there’s some actual debate doing on, when there fucking isnt. But the perception of “it’s still undecided” is what serves Trump.

          “The evidence isn’t in yet.”

          Yes it fucking is Trump is a Russian shill

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    How is it that I’m not even born in the US and somehow I’m more American than the average American in my country.

    Traitors, to the gallows.

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    Trump is willing to surrender our our natural resources to Russia cause he is weak. He always has been weak and everyone knows it. Also he rapes children.

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      Trump is willing to surrender our our natural resources to Russia cause he is weak.

      I mean, its weird to say this when Dems are the one hiding under their desks every time Trump stumbles back into DC after a Big Mac bender. Trump sees real estate he thinks is “worthless” because it is part of the National Wildlife Refuge and is trading it for something he considers “worthwhile”, which is a detente in Ukraine that’ll give him time to carve up and sell off the choice bits of its western real estate.

      This isn’t “weak”, its just about personal enrichment. What’s “weak” is a Congress and Court that will rubber stamp his decisions, for fear of looking divisive or intransigent or insufficiently loyal. Like, watch how Senator Dan Sullivan responds to this shit by lining up to lick Trump’s puckered asshole.

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    Offer the country you’re spending billions against in a proxy war resources that will likely find their way, directly or indirectly, used against the US’s financial expenditures in the war.

    No wonder this idiot bankrupted a casino.

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      Don’t forget: bankruptcy only affects the business, hence golden parachutes. Being a casino owner wasn’t enough, bastard had to screw over the workers too

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      My man absolutely loves a shady real estate deal. Surprised he isn’t throwing in that collapsed Minnesota bridge and all the leaded pipes in Flint, Michigan.

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      The only thing I can think of is to be less obvious about it.
      A properly trained russian agent wouldn’t be so blatantly corrupt, surely.

      Then again he’s a damned imbecile so he’s doing the best he can with the 5 brain cells he’s got.

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        Not agent, asset. And as for him needing to be subtle, why? There’s been zero consequences for pretty much anything he’s done. At this point I’ll be absolutely shocked if he doesn’t illegally try to hold onto power after his term is up.

        The world would literally be about 100x better without Trump and Putin.

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        He isn’t a Russian agent he is too dumb for that. You don’t “train” assets you handle them, whoever his handler is, their life must be complicated.

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      I like the Woody Guthrie line from his song Lindbergh about the American fascist collaborators in the 40s:

      And I’m gonna tell you workers,
      'fore you cash in your checks
      They say “America First,” but they mean “America Next!”
      In Washington, Washington…

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          From his 1955 song, Old Man Trump:

          I suppose that Old Man Trump knows just how much racial hate
          He stirred up in that bloodpot of human hearts
          When he drawed that color line
          Here at his Beach Haven family project

          Beach Haven ain’t my home!
          No, I just can’t pay this rent!
          My money’s down the drain,
          And my soul is badly bent!
          Beach Haven is Trump’s Tower
          Where no black folks come to roam,
          No, no, Old Man Trump!
          Old Beach Haven ain’t my home!

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      Honestly the way Americans, and most of all educated and\or elitarian Americans, behave in society, - it makes perfect sense that at some point it will be sold. Nothing like it really in the world, with the UK as the close second.

      It’s still funny, Alaska was sold to the US because the Russian empire’s expectation was for the US to eventually control all of the North American continent. Not even control, but settle first of all. Like with Texas, it’s not very convenient when the main settling power is different from the one having theoretical control.

      So honestly a meeting in Alaska would make the best sense as a prelude to selling Kamchatka to the US or something like that. It’s kinda sobering that the US today (contrary even to 50 years ago) is not a society that can settle anything new.

      And if we think about it, in the middle of the XIX century it was expected that the African continent will be settled by Europeans similarly to the Americas.

      South American states preserved, despite all the crime and poverty and dictatorships, some degree of cultural diversity and even humanism, but don’t look as attractive for immigrants as then. Let’s say they were half-settled.

      USA was half of the world’s GDP at some point. It’s not anymore.

      The whole Africa was in population less than Europe. Settling it was plausible. Not anymore.

      There were fewer Iranians on the planet than European Jews. Not anymore.

      So I would say that, sacrificing Native Americans, the humanity has formed an immunity against European empires. It doesn’t yet look so, but the numbers don’t lie. And building combat drones en masse is honestly nothing that the non-imperial part of the world can’t do. Actually the involved defense-related corruption is probably less everywhere else relevant than in the NATO countries.

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    I don’t know how many times I need to spell it out Americans:

    Line item #2

    You need to deal with your worthless president hellbent on destroying the planet.

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      How. Tell us how to fight back against one of the most highly militarized police forces in the world and the most powerful army in the world? How are normal middle class Americans supposed to fight back against that? I mean I love the fantasy of fighting back, but tell me exactly how to do it. You tell me that and I’ll start doing it.

      I’d be willing to bet a decade from now we’ll know that Trump probably cheated in the election and Republicans stole it. If there wasn’t vote manipulation I’d be extremely surprised, knowing what we know about this administration and the people running it. How are we supposed to fight back against a system this fucking rigged?

      It’s really fucking easy to sit back in your armchair and call us dumb or lazy for not doing anything about this. I’m sure a lot of us would love to do something about it, so why don’t you tell us how.

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        Especially when most people have some variation of, “I am going to work myself to death now for a comfortable later” burned into their head from generation after generation of parents.

        The, “No Kings” protests basically accomplished nothing beyond a, “neat statistic”, in my opinion.

        Most people are tuned out, my worksite has 1000+ people at it, no one is talking about this stuff, ever. I am a bit, most people do not care, do not want to risk doing something or have shit going on in their personal lives that take priority.

        Anyone critical should do themselves a favor and watch the 1961 film, “Judgment at Nuremberg”. The USA judges’ servants, when asked if they knew about concentration camps initially denied it. Then, seconds later (paraphrasing), “Even if we did, we are but little people, what could we do?”.

        P.S. Down voting doesn’t change stated reality, sorry.

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          Protests are not about a single day changing anything. Ideally that’d be great, but protests require constant work. Georgia (the county) has its citizens protesting in the streets for over 200 days day. Protests bring like minded people together. Those people connect. Make plans. Make arrangements for further protests and so on. It’s not about “winning” a single day. It’s about constant, persistent pressure in the form of protests that may eventually let the people when, if/when a gov’t backs down. I don’t discourage protesting, but I don’t trust this regime to not cart people away in unmarked vans. Again.

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          I think the No Kings protests enabled a lot of people to meet the ones who truly represents them and motivated a lot of people to vote in the midterms. We’ve removed Trump from office before and we can do it again.

          That said, it takes 67 votes to remove a sitting president and that would mean flipping all 20 Republican seats up for reelection: fat chance in hell. We’ll be on damage control until 2028 at a minimum and come 2032 assholes will have already forgotten the harm again.

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        Thank you! I go to the protests, donate to the causes. We really are fucking helpless and it sucks.

        It’s a shitty feeling to know that you’re doing everything you can and still have to watch our country speed run to authoritarian.

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        Im honestly tired of assholes telling us how to deal with this.

        One, if you don’t live here don’t act like you would be all Badass. If you are, by all means, come to America and show us.

        Two, realize the vast majority of this country didn’t care in November and still doesn’t care now. You’re not fomenting some revolution with a seriously paltry amount of the population and especially not with the environment you described.

        It’s not defeatism- it’s realism. Most people dgaf. That is the current situation.

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          You, America, are the ones who’ve built a culture of violence and guns and freedom in the name of being able to “deal with this”.

          Now you’re not doing jack shit.

          So yeah. Assholes are going to abound when hypocrites threaten the entire world with their broken promise to themselves and everyone who they shoved the culture down the throat of before threatening invasion, ruining climate mitigation, killing science, promoting religion, assisting Russia, and demolishing the world economy in acts of economic war.

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            We haven’t built jack shit. Our parents built this shit, I voted for the left ever since I was able to vote. What do you want me to do go vigilante and start killing people?

            You sound like an asshole when you accuse people of doing things they aren’t responsible for.

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            The people who like guns so much aren’t the ones opposing Trump. You should take notes, because it’s coming to your country next.

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        Well, there’s the extreme end of things that moderators don’t like posts about People love Luigi, though. But I understand not wanting to throw one’s life away, even if success pushed the entire world onto a better trajectory.

        There’s also that low grade sabotage stuff that gets talked about. I think people were posting the ww2 sabotage manual a couple months ago. Stuff like have excessive meetings, make plausible mistakes to gum things up, that kind of stuff. This works better if you’re closer to a source of the problems (eg: ICE, mega corps, republican think tanks, etc)

        Then there’s safer stuff like protests. There’s the really safe ones where you just go and march. Those have use, but are kind of limited and won’t fix things on their own. You can also do disruptive protests, but you have to be quick and smart, or you have a high risk of going to jail (or worse).

        Radicalizing your friends also can be planting seeds. Maybe those will grow.

        You could run for office, but that’s slow and expensive.

        There’s probably other stuff, too, but I’m running out of steam here.

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        Tell us how to fight back against one of the most highly militarized police forces in the world and the most powerful army in the world?

        Afghani peasants did it. The Iraqis did it. The Vietnamese did it.

        You never fight an enemy on their terms. The military control the guns. American civilians control EVERYTHING ELSE. Authorities can only be in one location. Citizens are everywhere.

        Organize.

        Block roads. Obstruct government and commerce. Hit infrastructure. Dump manure in the streets like the French. Stop garbage pickup. Bring society to its knees.

        If those nations I mentioned can do it then surely the “home of the brave” can too.

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          That worked in Hong Kong right? Or tienamen square?

          This isn’t the mountains of Afghanistan or the jungles of Vietnam. There’s massive infrastructure and different levels of law enforcement and state apparatus.

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            Well enjoy your death camps then since there’s clearly nothing to be done.

            I always thought Americans would at least TRY to save their democracy. But making excuses is easier.

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                You have to try before you can consider it giving up. Americans have been almost completely complacent through all of this. And I don’t consider protests a form of resistance. Protests are more for satiating the protester than actually fighting back against a government. Its a completely impotent form of resistance that implies no real risk or reward.

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          No change to Trump will come from that. Blocking roads or dumping manure? That may work in France because French police still are humans. But in America you may get shot doing that and called a terrorist afterwards.

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              neither has ignoring the reality of a situation. French police are not like American police, nor are the politicians that control them. Republican politicians are literally above the law. They can do whatever they want because they control the courts, congress, and the presidency. They are soulless scumbags that literally do not have a sense of guilt or shame. And they are already putting the military into our cities. So its not just the police that we’d be fighting.

              Block roads. Obstruct government and commerce. Hit infrastructure. Dump manure in the streets like the French. Stop garbage pickup. Bring society to its knees.

              The first step to any of these things is explaining to me how we break Americans out of their complacent stupor. And honestly, the only way I can think to do that, is to wait for things to get much much much worse. Not until people are literally fighting for their survival will they be willing to do much of these things. If they had outside support, like the Vietnamese or Afghanis maybe they would be more willing. Its the reason i keep saying some support from our supposed NATO allies would be fucking incredible.

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                The first step to any of these things is explaining to me how we break Americans out of their complacent stupor. And honestly, the only way I can think to do that, is to wait for things to get much much much worse. Not until people are literally fighting for their survival will they be willing to do much of these things.

                I think this is true too. People are too fat and comfortable and lazy to bother. It’s going to get so much worse to get them to wake up. Hopefully it won’t be a loved one getting dragged off by the gestapo to convince them to resist.

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        Stop paying your taxes and buying shit? Violence? There I gave you a couple solutions go do 'em.

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          Cool, take care of my father with Alzheimer’s and I will get right to that.

          Good luck with his medical bills, I promise you, they are a struggle.

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            Exactly. You’ll always have an excuse to do nothing. Immediately going for the emotional excuse too! You expect change with no sacrifice just like every other person in this country. We watch day by day as Hitler Jr and his pals take away freedoms, rights, safety etc but your dad is what’s keeping you from fighting back… Yeah OK.

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              Uh, he needs 24/7 care, most of which I provide at present (I have to, ya know, work fulltime for food, utility bills and health insurance for medications).

              Despite your anger, I hope you do not end up in a situation like this. Enjoy, “freedom” while you can, it disappears in a variety of circumstances.

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                Oh fuck you acting like your situation is unique. No one is free in the US. You people prove day in and day out that you have no critical thinking skills and no fucking backbone. Good luck with you dad. Maybe when you have nothing left to lose you’ll wake up.

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              It’s easy to criticize. What are you doing to stop it? You should do more of that instead of wasting time being an asshole to people on the internet.

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              Upvoting all I can here. Like, they’re going to come for all your benefits, money, property eventually. Sticking your head in the sand is only gonna make it easier to kick your ass.

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                The downvotes are from people who know I’m right, but it makes them feel bad to think about.

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                  The downvotes are from you being a jackass attacking the wrong people because of your own impotent frustration

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                  No, all your suggestions will just accomplish nothing except get people who follow them into huge problem with zero gains.

                  Not paying taxes, being violent, how is that a plan? Thats why the downvotes I think. You are just being angry and wanting change, but you also dont have a plan that will do anything. Just like everyone.

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          The issue is mainly coordination. One person acting is going to accomplish nothing while guaranteeing that this one person loses everything. Everyone needs to act at the same time. We need a leader to start a movement that everyone can get behind.

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            One of the reasons why I said an outside country or countries should help. Would go a huge way in helping to coordinate an effort and supply logistical resources.

            Unfortunately it seems that other NATO countries don’t know what’s good for them.

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          Cool, so have our social security, property, etc taken away by the IRS. And starve ourselves.

          And violence? Did you not read what I wrote earlier?

          These are beautiful ideas dude. Truly beautiful.

          I actually like the first one, not paying taxes. I actually already stopped doing that. That said, I cheated my ass off on my taxes to do it. I may get audited, I might not. But you’re still going to have an awful lot of Republicans paying taxes and a lot of other people who don’t want their property and social security, etc taken away.

          You want to hear what I think about this? If our supposed NATO allies would actually you know help us out, that would be fucking fantastic. We’ve known he was a Russian asset for a fucking decade, and none of our allies have done a damn fucking thing to help us.

          You want us to fight back? Do what the United States did with other revolutionary forces. Start sending money, start training insurgent groups, start arming people. Help us fight back.

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            If our supposed NATO allies would actually you know help us out, that would be fucking fantastic.

            “Everyone else needs to put their asses on the line! Not me!”

            No one’s coming to save you. Maybe ask the fascists to play nicer, I guess? It’s worked pretty well so far.

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              You realize that fascism isn’t exclusive to the US right? It’s actually spreading to other Western nations. If we don’t start helping each other, you are going to be just as fucked as we are. It’s only a matter of time. It would also serve NATO well to keep the strongest military in its alliance, in its alliance. Otherwise if world war three breaks out, well you guys are going to be pretty fucked.

              Maybe the smart response here isn’t just to say “no one’s coming to help you out”. Because that’s worked out pretty well for you so far…

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          Not paying taxes will do nothing but get a persona arrested, and then the tax money would be taken anyway. This is the dumbest idea I’ve read yet.

          And violence… Cool, not a bad idea, but how? Do you think the average or even above average person can get anywhere near the POTUS for an assassination attempt? If an elected official is murdered in their house, that doesn’t change margins. A number of people would have to be killed at almost the same time or everyone goes into lockdown.

          Say for a second someone pops Trump. Then what? JD Vance, that’s what. Then another slew of Republicans to take control.

          Getting violent towards the likes of ICE is also great in theory, but that did happen, and it was over almost immediately. They are better armed than the militaries of some countries. Also, the US is a massive place. It would take me a day of driving to get to DC where currently their are weekend warriors playing army.

          All that to say, it’s not as simple as pinch your pennies and get violent. If it were, we wouldn’t be in this situation.

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      The only time they have guts is when they’re aiming advanced weapons at poorly armed brown people on the other side of the world.

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      Well what are we supposed to do? We have protests and post zingers on social media! There’s literally no other options!

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        His approval rating is at an all-time low! Dems are BLASTING him on the socials! We’re doing everything we can! /s

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    Is peace plan is selling parts of the us to appease the dictator? If that’s the case, that only validates putin to do more of his business because it looks like it may work.

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    Jesus fucking Christ. Will someone for the love of God get this asshole out of office! This isn’t yugo fucking salvia!

    Just arrest him and prosecute him!

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        The man was a tyrant, no question, but after he took power he actually tired to do some good for his country… Well… Until the CIA pinned the Muslims against the Christians and tore the country apart.

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          The man was a tyrant, no question

          It’s weird to call someone a tyrant when he preceded over one of the most peaceful and productive periods of Yugoslavian history. Then he dies, the various ethnic enclaves get a fresh influx of “liberal” mass media, and we’ve hearing the genocide machine rev up again within five years. Hungary, Poland, Bulgaria, the GDR, and even Romania seem to tell the same story.

          Would that any of them - or Afghanistan or Libya or Haiti/DR or even fucking Texas - have a man half as “tyrannical” as Tito in charge, instead of the psycho fascist fucks and capitalist ghouls they inherited.

          Until the CIA pinned the Muslims against the Christians and tore the country apart.

          It’s funny how the United States is experiencing a very similar ethnic tension happening currently. I guess what goes around can come around.

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    Trump is a bully, and what do bullies do when they enter the big kid playground ? they submit to the bigger bully.