I’m just sick of Reddit.
The communities there seem much more active than the once on lemmy, which is not a surprise.
However, I oftentimes find myself doom scrolling through reddit, just because of some nonsense BS propaganda, ads, etc …, snuck inbetween of the community posts I’m actually interested in.
How can we convince the people over there to move away?
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I’m just sick of Reddit.
How can we convince the people over there to move away?
I see things like this all the time on the fediverse. There’s this sentiment that reddit sucks and it’s nothing but bots and shithousery, but for some people they still want that crowd to migrate here.
I think Lemmy needs to let go of the idea of the “good” parts of reddit transferring here and everyone miraculously behaving differently, because it just isn’t going to happen. The people left on reddit are there because that’s the experience they want. Trying to import them en masse to Lemmy again is just going to bring more irritation and frustration IMO.
I think Lemmy would be better served working to improve and develop the communities they already have through users that are already here. Find ways to make your interests appealing to others. Be active in ways and places you usually wouldn’t, and Lemmy will grow up around us organically. None of these social media giants have anything of substance to offer their huge user bases besides the niche communities you guys are missing, and that’s why people spend so much time doomscrolling.
What we are missing is that someone on Reddit took the time to get these communities going too. Reddit wasn’t an instant success, it took the efforts of the early membership to drive engagement and user growth. Lemmy is obsessed with the idea of short cutting this step to steal members from other networks, and that’s silly.
No one is going to leave a well designed botnet social media for a black hole called the fediverse. In order to gain more meaningful membership we must first prove that Lemmy is worth overcoming the barriers to enter and engage with the people that are already here. Once the rest of the internet finds out we’re cool, they’ll show up.
“Reddit is awful. How do we move that here?”
We simply don’t need Reddit users. We need Lemmy users who desire to start communities. Lemmy is Reddit 10 years ago, and that’s just fine.
Lemmy is Reddit 10 years ago
I mean it’s not THAT good, but it’s sure better than Reddit today.
@fmstrat @FrostyTrichs My problem with both Reddit and Lemmy is that they don’t let people delete their posts entirely. I liked Reddit until I learned this. It’s a basic feature that I don’t understand not including.
For me - and i am new - the whole point of lemmy is less people, less content to scroll, and more quality. If lemmy was reddit, i would leave lemmy too
There’s nothing wrong with this approach either but I’d remind you and anyone else seeking this experience that Lemmy is infinitely more customizable for this than reddit ever was. The ability to block users, communities, instances, etc can be invaluable. Some instances also don’t federate with everyone so it’s fairly easy to find a smaller space that isn’t so busy if the larger instances are too much.
Lemmy gets a lot of shit, and deservedly so at times, but there are already some very handy tools in the kit for curating your feed to your liking.
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These are big technical issues IMO, especially considering the large amount of tankies on Lemmy. It doesn’t help that many tankies have accounts on LW and other “normal” instances.
PieFed, and the Lemmy apps Sync and Connect, can do that. They truly block users from any custom instance of your choice, without having to depend upon an admin (or spin up an instance yourself).
Base Lemmy cannot and a look at the admin practices present on the devs own instance convinces me that it likely never will - it seems simply not a priority for them (and we are on their platform - or rather you are:-).
Nothing is perfect ofc, but it’s nice to have choices.
Ill be frank, i still have no idea how it all actually works. I am wrapping my head around this model still. But thanks for the info! :)
I see this a lot too and to me it mimics the 7 stages of grief. It sounds like he just passed anger and is at bargaining.
I think if most of the reddit transplants (myself a transplant) can’t arrive at acceptance, they end up going back.
If federation works the way it’s claimed to, then if we migrate even the bad parts of reddit here it should be fine.
Lemmy is turning into an elitist cesspool.
What’s the claim about federation that overcomes the bullshit of social media usage?
Toxic people can be blocked by your instance, or you can move to an instance that doesn’t tolerate that behavior
Reddit took the time to get these communities going…
Sure! But, in this case Lemmy is literally a federated copypasta of Reddit, like Madtodon is of X.
Therefore, I think Lemmy is already a few steps ahead, due to the existing familiarity how communities/subs are supposed to be used.
So it’s not we’re starting from scratch… It’s just getting rid of the annoyances of Reddit.
Take Mastodon/BlueSky as an example. People are already familiar withbthe concept of how to use it.
Sure! But, in this case Lemmy is literally a federated copypasta of Reddit, like Madtodon is of X.
This is being overly simplistic IMO. Lemmy is not a direct copy paste of reddit, just the idea is the same. Lemmy is missing many of the tools reddit has come to depend on for things like moderation and community engagement. The idea is the same but the framework is different and that comes with its own challenges.
Lemmy is a good enough platform for now and for future growth. It wasn’t a drop in replacement for reddit when the exodus happened and it isn’t a drop in replacement now, but it’s closer. There are still lots of little things- quality of life improvements, moderation improvements, discovery improvements, etc that need to be tuned or fixed before Lemmy is ready to shoulder millions of active users, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t worthy of the effort today.
The beautiful part of the fediverse is we’re all free to form our own ideas about how it’s best grown and supported. If there’s something you are passionate about there’s nothing stopping you or anyone else from spinning up a community or instance about it and creating the niche communities everyone seems to miss. It all takes time, and individual and group efforts.
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Change your default sort.
But, that’s not relevant to communities. You can kill a community by technical means, but technical means cannot create one; it’s necessary but not sufficient, and not even the hard part.
Most people are still on fucking FACEBOOK. They are willing to put up with almost unlimited bullshittery for the sake of their sense of community. Building a better mousetrap won’t work, and building a vaguely equivalent mousetrap won’t even move the needle.
Yes but we’re also more mastodon less bluesky. If a bluesky-esque clone of Reddit comes along with better UX and paving over the issues of federation then it will win, the way Bluesky has beaten out Mastodon as the Twit alternate
We don’t. We just continue to stay here and grow and flourish naturally. I see no need to rush.
Yup, I say it in every thread of this sort I see pop up, you definitionally can’t force organic engagement.
It can be frustrating to go from a thriving niche subreddit to a new venue without anyone to populate those niche communities. Outside of ML, FOSS, and Star Trek, most of the niche communities are ghost towns.
I don’t think anyone is suggesting convincing AskReddit or /r/memes to migrate. I think they’re mostly targeting /r/ObscureInterestYou’veProbablyNeverHeardOf.
Advertise one instance instead of just saying “join lemmy”
id go a step further and say you need to draw a sub to a specific community. its hard moving users though when reddit actually attempts to prevent it by banning you for trying.
Blaze is doing precisely that - recommending lemm.ee, several initial communities to check out, the Voyager app, etc.
Edit: A major downside to recommending lemm.ee though is that it federates with literally all of the big 3. So someone can walk into e.g. [email protected] without knowing the first thing about what to expect there, followed promptly by leaving Lemmy altogether. Due to lemm.ee’s approach of making everything “opt-out” rather than “opt-in” it takes quite a bit of catching up to understand things e.g. what “instances” are and how to block users from them (Pro-Tip: in either base Lemmy or Voyager, you literally cannot do it, though PieFed, Sync, or Connect each offer that capability). It’s a bit like having an email account that offers no spam filtering!? Which is fine if that’s what people want but doesn’t seem geared for “mainstream” Redditors who want to come here “casually”.
For those, if PieFed was a bit better developed in its UI it would be perfect. Lemmy.cafe also looks like a great option (Tesseract on dubvee.org too except I think it’s only a single admin, and yet quite impressive nonetheless, though toxic people from Reddit would have a terrible & short-lived time there hehe:-P).
As I’ve been using lemmy.cafe for a while now, I might switch to it as my “curious new joiner” recommendation.
Assuming it is stable (there was some question about that due to its running beta software?), that sounds like a great idea!:-)
Nothing will ever be perfect ofc, and surely there are tons of alt accounts on Lemmy.World and elsewhere, but that seems like it would help ease people more gently into Lemmy, without having to endure as much culture shock as seeing e.g. the anti-Western posts constantly streaming out from the big 3.
Especially for a more “mainstream” audience - e.g. expecting things to “just work” - from Reddit and even more so people who merely search the internet.
And then if people really WANT to see literally everything, there’s always lemm.ee that seems legit great for someone who knows that going in.
PieFed seems even more ideal in terms of this functionality but… its UI definitely needs more than a little polish before it’s fully mainstream.
I don’t know how you have time to do so much to help build this place, but I am enthused to see it nonetheless!:-)
A ban from dubvee is a lemmy participation medal
I’ve heard that some people don’t like him but nobody will tell me why, as in did he do something intentionally, accidentally, or otherwise? Can you send me something to read? (Always whenever I ask, I get no reply - but I’m interested in learning so that I don’t spread misinformation?)
I and many others never heard of the instance until we got banned from it 🤣
Oh wow. Can you send me a screenshot? What I’m getting at: is there any possibility that it could have been unintentional?
But wouldn’t advertising one instance backfire and lead to huge server loads on that instance?
That’s not a problem you have to worry about right now, it’s more so not enough people are trying out the platform.
Recommending the instance you’re on Lemm.ee is the way to go.
Most people don’t change unless they have to, and rarely even then. You’d have to make it so that they can’t visit Reddit anymore.
Even on reddit itself, you can’t get people to move from a sick community with hostile moderation to the preferred community. /r/Canada got taken over by /r/metacanada what feels like decades ago, and they turned it into a post modern bigoted classist hellhole, but it still ranks far above the “real” Canadian sub /r/OnGaurdForThee.
Maybe better not to compete with existing communities. Develop some anchor communities on Lemmy that are doing their own thing on topics that aren’t well served on Reddit.
We already have the same problem here. Some of our major communities have belligerent mods on problematic instances.
We’re not solving that problem, we’re just making it easier to hide from it via defederation.
Of course we do. That’s my point. It’s not a Reddit problem, it’s a human problem.
Post in communities that align with your interests. Post in communities for your geographic area, if you’re comfortable with that. Comment on posts you see, if you think you can add something of value to the conversation.
That is what I already do. But I feel like there isn’t much going on. Tbh, I’m more of a passive than active participant. Never been a “karma whore”.
I mostly scroll through the feed and chime into topics where I feel I can contribute to.
Gonna have to change that. There’s no such thing as karma here so there’s no whoring. Be the change you want to be. I was the only poster in many communities before they started taking off. Lemmy follows the 90-9-1 rule, and you have to be the 1
Lemmy follows the 90-9-1 rule, and you have to be the 1
Well put
Bingo.
I mostly scroll through the feed and chime into topics where I feel I can contribute to.
That’s good too but maybe consider lowering your bar on what it takes to “contribute”.
I have left many simple comments that have led to someone chiming in with something insightful that they may not have commented otherwise
You can’t be that sick of it if you want even let go of the place.
Where does the believe even originate from, that Redditors are any different than Lemmings? Basically the same people minus the youngest, because they stick with using Reddit. They might or might not migrate eventually.
Make communities here bigger by contributing and spread the word of Reddit alternative. Make search engines find Lemmy content and then it goes on it’s own. I guess Bluesky will push the Fediverse, but I wonder how long people will stick to a Twitter esque when they could have Lemmy full text conversations and tree structures?
Lemmy needs to mature on a technical basis. The Lemmy service itself is still lacking significantly. But it it progressing.
Outside of technical limitations, focus on communities. A few good ones are better than many mediocre ones.
What technical limitations do you see? I feel like other than multireddits this place is basically equal to reddit.
Just about anything related to moderation tools.
Dealing with the All feed properly.
Users being able to configure default sorting on posts.
etc.Multi communities.
Hopefully this has been funded, so should happen soon
Stop using Reddit.
One suggestion to increase participation on Lemmy of those already here is to encourage people to spend some time just looking at the “all new posts” feed. I look at it a few times per day and was surprised at the number of Lemmy groups that I never knew existed. There are far to many groups here that started out good and just faded away. If it’s an interest of yours post there and try to rejuvenate the group. Message the existing moderator if you can be added as a mod for that group.
Just mention lemmy from time to time on other platforms; not to say “please come here”, but rather just to let people know that lemmy exists and has interesting stuff on it. People will check it out if they are interested.
Lol it’s porn.
Not anything else. Provide the better covert porn outlet.
There’s porn on here. Lemmynsfw.com is actually the second most populous instance irrc (or top 3?). Just got to convince people to post to it. But then we got the same problem of trying to convince people to do that lol.
What about porn bots?
Don’t you need an account to access it?
They allegedly remove posts/comments about lemmy? And even if they don’t, I feel like it could have the opposite effect. People would see those posts just like ads/promotion/spam. Which would give lemmy a bad rep. Unless something big happens, like some big community switching to lemmy, or someone with a big following promotes lemmy, it will hardly see a big spike in user count.
The only way is to passively “advertise” it. Maybe add the link to your lemmy account in your reddits about you section, if you are making OC add your lemmy handle there as well…
And the last way, which is most likely the best way to do it, is to post good content on lemmy, keep communities alive. And people will eventually join.
Ask and answer their popular questions again in here. Also, a popular search engine should list the thread on Lemmy.
can’t. the ones that are still there wouldn’t understand how to use lemmy and the fediverse and they’ll just bash for the same reasons that bsky users bash mastodon. They want things to “just work” out of the box and are too lazy to figure things out.
Not really the problem, some mods just bury threads about it, you can see an arrogant mod from self-host subreddit in a thread, attempt to plead to move elsewhere: https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/1gmv76n/is_reddit_going_to_remain_the_primary_space_for/ (this was a week ago) You can see why some still didn’t by the replies, and lack of understanding how to use Lemmy isn’t one of them.
“… too lazy to figure things out.” Yup, just like when somebody calls a plumber, or a mechanic or a therapist. Stop being lazy and master something in a field where you have no experience or desire to learn.
