Is there a map of federal workers?
Reminder people: food banks exist with or without politics and whether or not federal workers get paid. They are essential to the survival of many people and families and are almost entirely privately run and maintained by volunteers.
If you want to make a very real difference in the lives of others, find where one is and bring them some things like socks, soap, toothbrushes and underwear, as well as canned meats or soups. It WILL get used and appreciated and it feels a lot better than you think it will knowing you fed a family or helped someone feel like a human again by giving them fresh socks to wear to work tomorrow. (A vast majority of people below the poverty line in the US are working and living in cars or tents.)
It’s even better to just give them money because they can get better bulk deals than you.
The most important thing you can donate is money. The second most important thing you can donate is probably diapers, they LOVE diapers.
Food riots were one of the key factors that kicked off the French Revolution
In a civilized country these things simply wouldn’t happen.
Not paying an employee is simply illegal, and If what is happening in USA now happened here, we have public funds guaranteeing any unpaid employee by any employer get their money. Usually used for private companies that go bankrupt.USA is such a shitty country, their regulation is of the caliber that would only be expected of a very poor developing country that lack resources to do better.
I don’t think most Americans are even close to understanding how shitty USA is as a country. It permeates everything because Americans accept their society to be shitty, because they kind of accept a minimal government that doesn’t even work.
Having a country with a two party system that begs for stalemates, and then is incapable of handling a stalemate is such tremendous lack of foresight, I bet most kindergartens are run better.
This is the system republicans created and democrats cosigned. Republicans could at any moment dismiss the fillibuster and return these people to work but they’ve decided to let this happen to try and use media asymmetries to blame it on democrats in hopes they cave without negotiations.
Hopefully the democrats realize if they cave here they will never be elected again. Republicans will keep doing this until either they eliminate the fillibuster or they start caring about rules and the country so it makes sense for democrats to just hold the line and force some more permanent change in either republicans or the rules.
We don’t have a “minimal government” because we still pay just as much in taxes and healthcare costs as everyone else. We just don’t see any benefits from that money, it all gets funneled to the oligarchs.
The US lacks the resources to do better because the vast majority of its wealth is being hoarded by dragons. The peasants get moldy bread.
Not paying an employee is simply illegal, and If what is happening in USA now happened here, we have public funds guaranteeing any unpaid employee by any employer get their money. Usually used for private companies that go bankrupt.
Laws in most civilized countries simply say that if new budget is not passed in time the previous budget continues or default budget covering basic expenses (like federal workers salaries, bills etc.) is automatically created. Shutting down government is simply not an option.
True, I have not heard of other countries that do what USA is doing with the shutdown.
Americans are such a bunch of amateurs on democracy, despite they were among the first to use it!
Or maybe because of it? They sorely need a major reform of their democracy. But it looks like it will probably be the wrong way to an even more authoritarian system.The problem is that they were “early adopters” and created a system impossible to reform. Civil war was the perfect moment to do a major rewrite of the system. They had a human rights issue and their system proved completely unable to resolve it. Unfortunately instead of realizing it’s broken and fixing it they did some minor changes and moved on. Now they have a constitution that is more of a holy book than legal document. No one understands it, the laws don’t mean anything but it’s sacred so it’s impossible to even talk about changing it.
I think they can’t because their constitution is a holy text from the heavens and therefore cannot be trashed (or archived) and rewritten from scratch.
It literally has amendments. The latest one was ratified in 1992. The founding fathers considered the constitution to be a living document, hence why there is an amendment process.
Ironically, the people treating the constitution like gospel are the same people that keep ignoring it.
It’s the thing conservatives do. They just say stuff for effect and don’t care about truth or consistency.
The Constitution is a perfect document that must be upheld when it suits their goals, and a living document that must be updated when that suits their goals instead. They are liars. They should not be accepted in polite society.
The same founding fathers that apparently thought it was a document that would probably be replaced after a few decades? (Or is this something everyone says that has no basis in reality? )
Maybe? I don’t recall them suggesting that it should be replaced every few decades.
Worth pointing out that there is a process in the constitution for changing the constitution, but there is no process for replacing the entire document. So I’d say there is pretty obvious intent for the document to change/evolve over time.
Hypothetically, we could amend the constitution to have a process for replacing the whole document though.
Well, if you have some other options you’d like to throw out there…
Scandinavian model.
I don’t think most Americans are even close to understanding how shitty USA is as a country.
They’re brainwashed from birth to believe they’re the greatest country in the world. Most of them never question it. Those that do need years to overcome the beliefs embedded in their heads.
Yes American exceptionalism is pretty crazy.
The arrogance of calling a national championship “World Series” is a very clear example of that, and also calling the country America is another blatant example of exceptionalism.
It is this exceptionalism that makes Trump believe he can bully the rest of the world into submission. But all it will do is accelerate the fall of USA from being the de facto world leader.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_Series_champions
Hey now, it’s the World Series because Canada is involved! Canada & USA is the entire world, right?
I don’t have to know where you live to say that you’re trending this direction too. If you’re not vigilant you’ll find yourself in the same position before too long.
That is only true to a minor degree regarding immigrants, we are not on the way to become an authoritarian hellhole, and our democracy is in no way threatened. We do not have a single anti democratic party in parliament among the 12 parties represented here, and we do not have the systemic problems or extremism USA has.
Saying we (Denmark) are heading in the same direction is a false equivalence. Saying it about EU is false too, although there are right wing tendencies in some regions, I am pretty sure they are temporary. For instance even if AfD should become the biggest party in Germany, they can never form a government alone (government is comparable to the US administration), except the checks and balances by parliament are way stronger.
By far the most EU democracies are way way stronger than USA, because they are not built undemocratically to be 2 party systems like USA and UK.
This is the conservative version of America.
Starting to think maybe everyone should have shown up and voted in the most likely way to prevent conservatives from having power. I know that’s a lot to ask from Americans.
Give them someone to vote for who isn’t just the lesser evil.
But voting for Kamala would be bad for Palestine! Not voting was the only way to save Palestine! /s
“I disagreed with Kamala on a single issue involving two nations on the opposite side of the planet, so I didn’t vote for her and held the door open for fascists instead.”
Yeah, not a bright bunch.
EDIT: Looks like 9 people so far have self identified as these dim bulbs. These are the people we need to worry about come 2026 and 2028. They’re going to make the same mistake again, because learning isn’t in their wheelhouse.
Theoretically, the argument would have been “Then vote in the primaries”. Problem being, a lot of people have been betrayed on Democratic primaries. Bernie Sanders was shown as popular before, and they still nixed him as an option. People largely agreed Joe Biden was too old to run, and yet he was way too late to offer up Kamala as an option; skipping past any primary that would have given people other choices.
People want to demonstrate “their choice” is popular, and the Democrats have taken away that choice pretty consistently. To me, it’s not enough to surrender a vote to fascism, but I think I understand the feeling.
So very well said.
Some of them are still around here and have the fucking balls to pop up here and chastise people they have derisively labeled “liberals”. They think they have the moral high ground. Even now. And, if it sadly comes to it, when everyone is being put into FEMA camps, I doubt they will admit their wrongdoing and will instead lecture people on things like “don’t blame the voters”. FFS. It’s bonkers.
I know a few of this type IRL, too, unfortunately. No self awareness and no apologies. I think it’s mostly narcissism, really. The ones online are possibly paid actors/bots put there to sow division.
Oh yeah. I know a few IRL as well. Like talking to a brick wall. These are people that want their fantasy scenario to become reality but don’t grasp the actual reality we live in and also aren’t willing to put in the hard work to make their fantasy a reality.
It’s sad and these are the main people we have to worry about in the coming elections. We know we don’t have to spend time trying to convince Trump supporters. They’re cultists and they aren’t changing. But to see these people who generally want the same things we want, but are completely out to lunch regarding how to achieve those things is just really depressing.
I’m crossing my fingers that things get so bad in the U.S. that these people wake up and do the right thing, at least for 2026 and 2028, but I’m not holding my breath.
“I’m gonna keep voting for the lesser evil candidate and get mad when people don’t fall in line to support their oppressors.”
You guys are insane, and a bunch of pussies.
You’ve been conditioned to only focus on gridlock issues in a culture war to distract you from how we’re all being robbed every day by the ownership class.
You guys are insane, and a bunch of pussies.
Look. You aren’t very smart. That’s ok. You can change that if you want to. Allow me to explain to you how reality works.
In actual reality, unless you want a revolution (that isn’t happening), you have to vote for the less shitty option to reduce harm (like we’re experiencing RIGHT NOW), then work to reform that less shitty option by voting out the reps that aren’t onboard with more progressive policies. This has been done numerous times throughout U.S. history and was just done, in the worst way possible, to the Republican party by conservative voters over the last decade or so.
And, just in case you’re foolish enough to believe a random no-name 3rd party candidate can randomly win the presidency despite being a relative unknown whose party has exactly ZERO representatives in Congress, let me tell you, because you’re probably completely clueless, that in 2024, the 3rd party candidate with the MOST votes got a whopping half of a single percent of the total votes cast, PROVING that no 3rd party candidate stands the remotest chance in hell of winning the presidency and that a vote for one is a vote flushed down the toilet and a pass for the shittier option to step into power, WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENED LESS THAN A YEAR AGO.
Seriously bud. You’ve got a brain. Start using it.
nah. we know we are being robbed by the ruling class. but that doesn’t change which outcome is the obvious better choice in a binary system.
throwing your vote away for the presidential election will never solve that problem and you’re a pretty obvious dufus for thinking that it will.
A slow loss is still a loss.
I’m sorry you’ve convinced yourself that it’s a win.
You’re so unbelievably dense we should start building superstructures out of you. They’d stand for a thousand years.
Yeah, keep being a moron and replying to everything I say.
I’m going to block you now. You need help.
You’re not enlightened because you would let your high horse trample your brethren. Touch grass.
The problem is that they aren’t my brethren.
If they think they deserve more before others who have less, they are part of the problem.
If they think our oppressors deserve more before others who have less, they are part of the problem.
If they’re willing to let a culture war distract them from the class war, they are part of the problem.
They can eat shit.
Spoiler Alert: You aren’t changing any of this shit you’re complaining about by not voting or voting for a non-viable 3rd party.
Rub those brain cells together.
If you don’t like that, and you shouldn’t, show up to your local meetings regularly, not just two weeks before the primary, and encourage other like minded people to do so. Doing that allows you to get the better candidates recommended in the voting guide, canvas for them, phone bank for them, etc. I’ll be there waiting. In my precinct it would only take 3-4 people to tip the balance from corpo Dems to progressives, and maybe even an actual leftist, for local office and state legislative candidates. Start local and trickle up.
Or if you’re already doing that, thanks and keep doing it.
But until those efforts bear fruit, when faced with a binary choice please pick the less bad one.
The problem is that even people on the left, who should be the good guys, don’t want to solve these issues.
They’d rather have fascism than socialism because they don’t want to pay more in taxes.
This is why they’re all cool with perpetuating a culture war at the expense of the class war.
Sorry. I’m not sure if you noticed. But you didn’t address the person who asked you if you’re showing up to meetings, canvassing, phone banking, or anything at all, to help try to make a 3rd party viable by winning local/state elections so they can start getting members in Congress so they can have some sort of remote chance of winning the presidency.
Because anyone that votes 3rd party and ISN’T doing those things AND is whining online about a binary system, should probably be quiet and stay out of the conversation.
Oh no, I addressed him. You just don’t like how I made it clear that what he is doing is a waste of time.
It’s okay, keep thinking that wasting your time is doing something when it’s really doing nothing. Keep getting mad at people online because they dare to say that what you’re doing only exists to make you feel good about yourself.
I don’t expect these problems to get solved. There are too many useful idiots focused on too many useless things in order to solve them.
You don’t seem to understand what I’m saying.
Those people aren’t the left, they’re the fucking problem.
Show up locally with other leftists, or at least progressives, outnumber the corpo Dems, and change the party from the ground up. Leaving the party in the hands of the people who currently run it and complaining about the candidates they put forward isn’t going to do you any good.
Right. I’ll call them “democrats” instead of people on the left.
Now hopefully you can understand my point better.
They don’t want to pay more in taxes, so they’d rather have a fascist in office than a socialist.
What you’re suggesting is actually a load of bullshit to make you think you’re having an impact when you’re really not. I’m sorry, it’s the truth and the sooner you realize it the sooner you can stop wasting your time and focus on something that’s more effective.
Less bad than Trump, but non-voters don’t want to hear that.
Neither do the Jill Stein types.
Jill Stein voters make my blood boil.
She magically appears right before elections, gets absolutely crushed while taking votes away from the Democrats, then disappears again. She does not care. She is not trying to make a viable 3rd party. She got half of a single percent of the total votes cast.
Anyone that voted Stein in the last election is not a very intelligent person.
Look at that line. America is great again, everyone.
It’s wild that long lines for food banks only make the news when middle-class white people have to be the ones standing there.
just like the roaring 20s!
If federal workers ever weren’t sure how little their employer feels for their life situation, here you go.
Expect the shit to hit in Nov, when funding runs out for food stampes.
They had Hoovervilles in the 20s…2025: Mar-a-Lunch-a?
Tacovilles?
They’re joining the Federal Workers who were fired this past winter then?
How many voted for Trump?
This is such an idiotic game to play and so god damn harmful to everyone except a few, of course we can survive without a government for a while, probably even a few years maybe, but it’s fucking vital and everything WILL go to shit without it, so it’s so disingenuous to keep doing this as to prove to people we don’t need government, but of course that’s their goal and I wouldn’t expect anything less from this bunch of Reno grade magicians.
