• TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca
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    There’s been so many of these in recent years.

    • Seats being outlawed from electric scooters in a lot of countries, suggesting it’s somehow safer to drive standing up trying to maintain your own balance than sitting down. I can guarantee you there have been deaths that could have been spared because of this. - Wait, I’m actually wrong - You can use seats, they just have to be used on the much more dangerous self-balancing unicycle ones.

    • Ebikes that are capped at 25km/h but aren’t legal because they don’t have pedals even though pedal bycicles can easily go faster, have slower reaction time when the byciclist has to build up speed again after a full stop, and a byciclist is generally just more exhausted from pedaling while also having to be aware of the road.

    • A lot of countries go after car cameras because GDPR and “recording public spaces”, all the while not just permitting companies like Tesla to have them, but even shamelessly subpoena the evidence because it literally could have recorded crimes not related to it thus making their rationale in all other cases fall apart.

    • Prohibiting phones actually make sense because of how people abuse the privilege, but replacing all controls with a touch screen with absolutely no tactile sense or feedback in a way that people literally have to look away from the road instead of being able to hold the phone while looking at the road could is way worse. And because these are a lot of the controls for the car itself, people won’t just be able to ignore it.

    It all starts making a lot more sense when you begin to realize a lot of it is to protect traditional/big money transportation markets and industries. Laws on ebikes and escooters add bureacracy that safeguards existing stocks and puts a brake on innovations that were set to come out. It it’s an innovation like solar panels on a car or bus, most of the consumer level stuff has gone bankrupt after it crashed right into the bureaucratic wall protecting traditional transportation markets and industries, but when it comes to features that benefit them due to cost savings and features that they can derive a premium on as a luxury because they realize the demand is there, their lobbyists help fast track them all through the red tape.

    Car manufacturers getting most if not all of their supplies from China? A-ok. Consumers getting their cars from China? Unacceptable, it will break our economy, because apparently we have no problem allowing it to depend on private companies.

    • Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works
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      If you put a seat on a scooter, it’s no longer a scooter, you’ve fundamentally changed what the vehicle is.

      Same with Ebikes with throttles, if you don’t need to pedal, it’s fundamentally not a bicycle anymore.

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        That’s not even a moped without pedals, it’s a motorcycle.

        Also, get off the sidewalk with that murder machine.

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          It depends where you are, but the definition of a moped is two wheels, 50cc or less, 2kw or less, and can’t go faster than 50kmh where I live. Pedals aren’t required at all.

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        Do you intentionally rage bait with subjective assessments? Do you even care about how many links I could provide that would disagree with you? The industry might love you, but the reality still is what it is, which is why you haven’t argued against any of the points I made.

        To be fair, I don’t think there is any other way you could have made a counterargument than to be pedantic and saying a vehicle that is effectively more dangerous than the other should be legal over it purely due to grammar Nazi polysemy blind logic. Car touchscreen controls also aren’t phones, you are right.

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      Has the account been posting divisive shit? It could also just be a normal Russian person

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        Well it never really was a secret, the artist of YesBut comic is a Russian dude, Anton Gudim

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        Yeah you can verify yourself, it’s still there.

        Actually if you think about it, VK link in accounts on Instagram is a dead giveaway even without twitter, this is just an extra verification.

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      That could mean they immigrated and brought their phone though, couldn’t it? Either that or VPN.

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    I’d love to see the accident data right before and after touch screen normalization in vehicles.

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      There is already some. Looks like those huge touchscreens are generally worse than using a phone on a handle or being at the legal limit for alcohol/weed (by US law), but better than using a phone with both hands. Plus there’s huge negative feedback from pretty much everyone except some Tesla fanatics.

      Will try and remember to link a source later.

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        Using a phone while driving is illegal in most places while adjusting the air conditioning via a tablet with nested menus is not. In theory most of the data should line up with the new touch screens rather than phones which have been available for a long time.

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          Never in my life have a gone more than a day on the road without seeing obvious cell phone usage while driving. It’s been illegal for like 20 years here. It’s super easy to spot from a motorcycle as well. Meanwhile, there’s way more rideshare drivers constantly adding fares and way more people actively scrolling through brainrot while driving. Touch screens have been aggravating drivers since at least 2006.

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            I could be wrong but I feel like there was a solid decade of people driving with cellphones all the damn time before cars started commonly having tablets for normal functions.

            Not who you were talking to, sorry for butting in

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              that still works with what i’m assuming. so people tend to buy new cars every 8 years at least in statesia (average car age 12.6, so statistics are skewed). many are simply in the secondary market. That’s why i’m assuming it could take up to 16 years for someone to get a car with the hot new feature on their car.

              i was assuming the timeframe was close to a decade apart, same as you, but i assumed a normalization time that has some overlap.

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      You would get better data by simply separating out the makes/models with touch screens from the ones without and you can be sure the insurance companies want that data.

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          Some car colors are legit more “invisible” to the human eye during divided attention tasks like driving. Silver, maroon, gunmetal grey. That info has been circulating since the 80s or 90s.

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            I had a 135hp vehicle that I paid more on insurance for because it was red and had 2 doors. Very visible.

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              My nephew went through this. Insurance wanted more for a used 2 door 1993 Cavalier because it was a “sports car.”

              The '93 VL Cavalier produces an absolutely widowmaking 110 HP, and that was when it was new.

              His was that horrid teal color that they were back in the day, but I’m sure if it were red that would have been another demerit. They could have at least been honest and cited their crash statistics, but no. “Sports car.”

              Sports car, my ass. I could beat a '93 Cavalier in the quarter mile on my bicycle.

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              Its because insurance stats found red 2 doors get in more accidents, usually a new male driver is buying a red 2 door. While a a middle aged dude is getting a 4 door for the fam

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                People who get red coupes are more likely to be the kind of people who are more likely to end up making insurance claims or, as you mentioned, get tickets. If you get a red coupe, you enter the same group with those people and your premium goes up.

                So it’s not the car or its color, it’s the people who tend to buy it.

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    I despise the touch screen in one of our cars, and it’s nothing like the tablet you see in most.

    I have to look at the damn screen to increase heat temp even slightly.

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        They should be physical buttons. Almost everything should have physical buttons so that we can make adjustments without taking our eyes off the road. I love my CarPlay, but I love more that the car has a set of physical buttons to control most everything about it.

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      That’s messed up. My car has only steering wheel buttons, and even I don’t need to use the touchscreen for that

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        Ever seen it where they stick capacitive buttons on the steering wheel?

        Perhaps they walk or take the bus to work or something…

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    I have a car from ‘03 and the only digital displays are my seven-segment odometer and double-DIN radio with a two-line text display. You can do everything without ever taking your eyes off the road.

    This is a topic that keeps coming up, but I absolutely do not want any of the interior design decisions made in the last 15 years.

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      My 2012 128i is basically the ideal IMO. Enough airbags and good traction control so I’m safe, can pair Bluetooth music, but too dumb to even update its own clock.

      The only annoying thing is the digital dipstick, but I change my oil every 3k miles so it’s not a big deal.

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        Safety features can’t be overlooked. Cars before side airbags for example, not ideal.

        Are we supposed to be replacing our airbags at the decade mark by the way?

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      Yes, I love it. We now have a basic Peugeot but before that a 2004 Nissan Xtrail. It was so basic even for 2004. I loved it for that reason. It was just a car. It did have automatic AC, temp control, and a few other controls like diff lock but the user interface was minimal.

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    It’s absolutely the worst. I have one in my car and I don’t really use it at all and when I do I gotta like stable my hand in order to touch the right spots it’s awful. I am glad the industry is going back to buttons.

    Except Mazda. They have a dial design that is fantastic to use. However they are doubling down on the touch screen in new designs. It makes no sense. They say there is a market for it but I’m not sure where they are getting their market days from…

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      By default yes. All it takes is one obd2 connector and a little know how to disable that safety on many modern cars.

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        There is probably an infosystem hack to do the same. On Honda it is a series of buttons held at once to get you into the diagnostic menus, and you click through to an option to allow HDMI input while driving. Then you can play vids etc while in drive, otherwise vids only play in park

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    In my old car i also had to look at the controls to adjust most things. Physical controls are admittedly easier to hit but apart from that, the difference isn’t that huge. Plus, my old car (although was a pretty simple model) still had far too many buttons and there were quite a few where I never figured out what they’re for.

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      I have to disagree. My cars with all physical controls are easier to use because I can locate a button or knob with physical memory, and its tactile feedback tells me if I’m on target or not. If I miss a physical button by a centimetre or so, I can easily move my hand to get the right position.

      I can’t do that on a touchscreen. If my positioning is wrong when using a touchscreen, who knows what I’m pressing. I have to look over to resolve.

      I saw a picture of the new Mazda 5 interior with a massive screen and no physical controls. I hope it was a fake picture. If not, that’s an absolute no thanks for me.

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    The car I drive has buttons and dials for most everything I’d use the screen for, and Siri takes care of the rest. I love it for visual navigation and ease of use, but I need the buttons. I drove my mom around in her car and it has almost no buttons. It was terrible.