Dulce Consuelo Diaz Morales was arrested on Sunday. ICE won’t release her despite extensive documentation of her citizenship, her attorneys told HuffPost.
A Maryland woman has spent days in immigration detention despite being a U.S. citizen with a valid birth certificate and other documentation — documents ICE claims aren’t authentic, her attorneys told HuffPost Thursday.
Dulce Consuelo Diaz Morales, 22, was born in Maryland and spent time in Mexico before coming back to the United States, Victoria Slatton, one of the attorneys working on her case, told HuffPost in a phone call Thursday. Slatton has worked to draw attention to Diaz Morales’ case, including in several TikTok videos.
Shirley Elvirita, Diaz Morales’ 17-year-old sister, told HuffPost over the phone Thursday night that she, her sister and their father were doing laundry in Baltimore on Sunday, and afterwards, the sisters went to pick up some Taco Bell. After getting back on the road, Shirley recalled, they were surrounded by several vehicles filled with law enforcement personnel, who pulled them over. Officers ignored Shirley’s questions and took her sister “forcefully” into one of the vans. They told Shirley they would let her go – but not her sister.
Most Hispanics voted for this.
Almost half of Hispanics voted for this!Yea, I dont understand the political split. Democrats “claim” Hispanics, but Hispanics are conservative Catholics and against anything Pro Choice. Republicans are racist and dream of doing fascist stuff like this … yet half the Hispanics voted for them.
Something something big cats … something something face eating.
I mean 1/3 is still a crazy amount given he literally said he would be doing mass deportations if elected. People can never get enough of the “It won’t happen to me” kool-aid
I thought this to until I learned that when they translate his speeches into Spanish they make him sound normal. I kid you not, it blew my mind to see how they translate what he says.
Corrected to almost half. Still insane that so many voted for Trump, and that Trump broke the Republican record for Latino votes!?!?
It doesn’t if you know Latino culture, they like the manly man steretype that Trump somehow fostered by popping off bullshit.
fuck, I wanted to believe it isn’t the case, crazy how many Latinos voted for this.
Send this to everyone who says people have nothing to worry about if they’re in the country legally
She’s wasn’t even “in the country legally” she is a fucking natural born citizen. She committed the crime of brownness
So if asked “was she in the country legally” you’d answer “no, because she was a citizen”? That makes zero sense to my autistic brain. I’d answer “yes, because she was a citizen”
If someone asked you to describe your immigration status, would you say “I’m in the country legally” if you were born there?
Subtext exists, and is pretty important to recognize when it’s used for propaganda.
I understand you weren’t using it that way on purpose.
I’d actually probably freeze up because I have trouble answering questions with false assumptions, the assumption here being I’m an immigrant. If someone asked “are you in the country legally”, I’d say yes and potentially not even realize they think I’m an immigrant
The subtext works both ways, though. The question is malformed in my example because it implies an incorrect fact, and you rightly bristle at it because of that. But the statement “she’s here legally” is similarly implying a subtly different question that isn’t being asked, and then answering that question instead of the real one. So it made me bristle in the same way. And it’s a technique that’s often used intentionally to dishonestly reframe conversations, especially around contentious topics. The hostile responses seem to be incorrectly (but unfortunately reasonably these days) assuming this intent.
Unfortunately, the question was raised by ICE about whether the woman was in the country legally or not. It shouldn’t have been in question, but it was. ICE detained her claiming she was in the country illegally, thereby raising the question was she there illegally or legally and the answer is she was in the country legally because she was a citizen. I just didn’t think I needed to specify her being a citizen, I thought all that mattered to the discussion was whether her presence was legal or illegal.
With my autism, receiving a reply that said “she wasn’t in the country legally” because she was a citizen was genuinely confusing. Are citizens not to be classified as legally present when ICE asks if they’re legally present or not?
So if someone asked you if she was a legal resident, you’d say no?
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I’m autistic. I mean exactly what I say. I didn’t think stating the fact that she was in the country legally somehow implied she was an immigrant. Besides, my point was that in general people who are there legally are being detained unjustly, that applies to all legal residents, both immigrants and citizens
A legal resident and a citizen, in the context of immigration, are entirely different things.
It does actually imply she is an immigrant.
Saying “legal resident” implies “green card holder”, not “citizen”.
My original comment didn’t say legal resident, it said in the country legally. Citizens in the country are in the country legally
Your second comment did, and the first has the same implication.
Take the L. You are incorrect.
No, I just have a problem with being contradicted when I’m right. Was she in the country? Yes. Was it legal for her to be in the country? Yes. How was she not “in the country legally”? I never said she was from elsewhere
I was agreeing with and elevating the point you were making by stating that beyond being here legally, it is impossible for her to be here illegally because she was born here. Jesus fucking Christ why do you need to split every single hair!? And you can edit a comment when you come up with something else to say, you can quit replying twice and three times.
A person who is physically present in the country is either there legally or illegally. It seems you object to my phrasing because, as a natural born citizen, there shouldn’t have been a need to distinguish if she was there legally or not. But sadly it was in question, shouldn’t have been but was.
Yes, natural born citizens are legal residents
No they are not. “Legal resident” is a specific legal classification different from “citizen.” You are confusing the dictionary definition of words with legal definitions.
But it was legal for her to be in the country. Citizens are in the country legally.
How can she not be called a legal resident? She is a resident and it is legal for her to be
“Legal resident” is an open compound word spelled with a space, not an adjective modifying a noun. An elementary school at the top of a hill is not a “high school” even though it is high and also a school. This is because “high school” is a word that means specifically secondary school (in North America at least), which excludes primary/elementary schools. Likewise in the United States, a “legal resident” refers to a non-citizen lawful permanent resident, not just any person who resides in a country legally.
You’re right. Here’s the best image I could find explaining the issue of the semantics here:
Are both residents and citizens legal residents? Sure. In the context of immigration law the citizen would probably only be described as such unless the context made it clear someone was using more of the dictionary definition than the legal definition as the parent commenter alluded to.
That chart doesn’t include “Naturalized Citizenship.” A naturalized citizen (for example, Arnold Schwarzenegger or Melania Trump) was born elsewhere but has been vetted and tested and taken an oath to become a citizen. They can vote, and serve on a jury, and work a federal job, and be Governor of California, but they can’t be President.
And now Trump is trying to revoke the citizenship of all the ones he doesn’t like. He’s also trying to revoke the birthright citizenship of the children of immigrants.
Hey, FreshParsnip, I’d just like to point out that JoeBigelow wasn’t really contradicting your original comment (the one I’m replying to) but rather they were amplifying it. Their point was to emphasize the racism of ICE against her “crime of brownness.”
Not only was she “in the country legally,” she also has the further rights and responsibilities of being a citizen. For instance, she can vote for for President. Beyond that, being a birthright citizen, she can run for the office and BE President.
A “legal resident,” according to federal statutes, is defined as a person who has met certain legal requirements and received papers entitling them to live here, but cannot legally vote, or serve on a jury, or some other rights reserved for citizens.
JoeBigelow could definitely have used better syntax, or stuck a “just” in there after “even”.
And your original point, about ICE being a danger to everyone regardless of how many rights they’re supposed to have, is perfect. They’re fascist thugs.
But your anger is misdirected. Save it for the real enemy.
And now you should minimize Joe’s comment, because that thread is actively painful to read. This is a fine summary and all you want to know about that comment chain.
Throwing US citizens in jail for days seems to be considered by Brett Kavanaugh as brief questioning where the individuals “may promptly go free after making clear to the immigration officers that they are U. S. citizens or otherwise legally in the United States”. And this sort of stuff doesn’t happen according to Kristi Noem.
They went to Taco Bell. Clearly they were born here and not in Mexico.
“I kept shouting at them that she was from here, but they wouldn’t listen to me,” the younger sister recalled. Shirley said the stop and her sister’s arrest seemed like racial discrimination: “I showed them our identifications, and they didn’t pay me any attention, they went straight to my sister because she’s darker than me.”
This is what you voted for protest-non-voters.
I disagree. This is what protest-non-voters failed to vote against.
Saying that they voted for this is implying that it is what they wanted. It is not the same thing as not carefully considering the potential outcomes. I agree that they bear some responsibility for what’s happening because of their failure to engage in the best course of action to prevent it. I do also think it is very much an inaccurate statement to say that it is what they voted for.
Put simply, intent matters. It doesn’t matter if the material outcome is the same.
“complicit” is the word
something tells me dulce consuela diaz morales wouldn’t give a shit about their intents.
trust me, the history books will not care about anyone’s intents either, just the material outcome they enabled.
You’re folding yourself into pretzels trying to reword this.
I’m not rewording anything. I’m stating a disagreement with your wording which I think implies intent where there may be none.
Sigh. Since you really need it: You’re twisting yourself into pretzels trying to get out of the message.
And what you think is implied (in both instances) is not.
Hey man, dont judge me, i had to make absolutely no impact on a situation halfway across the world while making my own country much worse.
I think youll find i did a great job.
/s
DNC shot themselves in the face, no one liked the former VP. We could have Bernie Sanders and win by a landslide if the DNC didn’t put him under the bus
This is like blaming a school shooting victim for being in the hallway instead of in their classroom.
Yeah, it would’ve helped. Yeah, they should’ve been where they’re supposed to be. None of that is the real issue, and it’s insulting to bring it up in the context of the shooting.
And I think we’re back to: See article and this is what you voted for protest-non-voters.
You see i did vote blue so this doesnt include me, but logically, you could make the exact opposite argument. This is what the DNC wanted by not courting people who clearly defined what it would have taken to get their vote. I dont agree with the protest voters actions, but i do agree with their principles.
But you can’t control the DNC. You can control you. So do what you can, vote. But also, don’t stop at voting. The only way the DNC moves is if we push them. Or we grassroots and build the viable infrastructure for a third party. Or we burn everything down and start from scratch. But whatever else we are doing, we can also vote. So yes, you’re right about what the DNC should have done, but we can only influence them, we are not them. But we are responsible for our own autonomy. So fucking vote, and vote correctly, not cutely.
So you’re happy with trump being potus and think he’s better than Harris would have been?
I’m just going to copy an earlier reply I’ve made to this argument, since nothing has changed
"Speaking as a leftist who swallowed my pride and voted for a fascist genocide supporter because for all her useless platitudes Harris was still a better option and I’m willing to admit that; go fuck yourself.
You want to know why people didn’t get behind Harris? It’s because her boss ran on rolling back the damage Trump 1.0 had done and then continued operating concentration camps on the southern border. It’s because time and time again even the radical Democrats have proven themselves to be feckless, incompetent, hand-wringing cowards who can’t be trusted to do the job they were elected for until it’s time to “compromise with Republicans” by inflating the defense budget and passing tax cuts for the wealthy. Harris would have seen her approval numbers falter and start rounding up brown folks no different from Trump, the difference being she’d have kept her mouth shut about it and so would the media until six weeks before midterms. Her platform was a gun and a nightstick with a BLM sticker tacked onto it, no different from Biden or Obama.
Biden put ZERO pressure on Israel to reign in their genocide in Gaza and Harris would have done no differently source the United States has effectively unlimited leverage in this conflict and they refuse to use it no matter which side is in office. I voted for those lying crooks despite knowing that, but I don’t blame a goddamn person for whom that was a deal breaker, it should be.
You know how Harris would have been different, she’d have been competent. She wouldn’t have tanked the economy with these ridiculous tarrifs, cozied us up to Russia, threatened and alienated our closest allies and trading partners or surged DHS’s budget to unthinkable levels, but the next Republican in office sure would have. The courts are packed, the Dems will always have a defector (just like mean old Joe Manchin), there will always be a convenient excuse why they’re so feckless and ineffectual and all electing Harris would have done is delay the inevitable by another four years. Acting like the US’ slide into authoritarianism which has been ongoing since the Wilson administration is anything new or aberrant to our current era is either wishful thinking or complete brainless ignorance of history. Trump isn’t the problem, Trump voters aren’t even the problem, this is the result of deep rooted contradictions in the very foundation of the Republic bearing their poison fruit.
All is not lost, others are getting organized, demonstrating, protesting, taking action. The only thing that gets us out of this is solidarity and mutual support but by all means, sit on your ass and continue to point fingers at others you’d seek to blame, because they were wrong and that’s all that matters right?"
Try not to choke on that boot you’re licking
Try not to choke on that boot you’re licking
I don’t think the moral of “you better fucking vote” counts as boot licking.
Not in the abstract no, but I find the implication that someone who found Harris’s stance on Gaza to be a deal breaker is thusly responsible for empowering Trump to count for sure. As I detailed above I voted for her despite my misgivings, I felt it was practical and effective harm reduction under the circumstances and I stand by that decision, but I refuse to condemn someone who came to a different conclusion and I’m openly critical of those who do.
The Democrats need to stand for more than “we’re not Republicans”, and Harris muzzled a popular and progressive VP pick in favor of sprinting to the right to pick up some fabled middle voters. Then people act indignant that she lost the support of the left wing in the process.
I resent the implication which is often made, that by standing for one’s principles and refusing to support someone actively abetting a genocide one takes on responsibility for empowering the opponent, even if the opponent is objectively worse. And yeah Trump is worse, and by a lot it’s not even a fucking contest, including on Gaza but that still doesn’t make Harris or anyone else entitled to the votes of all Trump’s political opponents. If you’re selecting your candidate by who’s the least worse the result will be a race to the bottom and I’ve got all the respect in the world for those who put their foot down even though I chose a different response
I read till I saw “radical Democrats” and I knew all I needed to. You’re one of them “I’m totally a leftist on the Internet trust me bro” types, but probably some opposition bot or some shit
It’s entirely fair to call me on that. To be more specific I had AOC in mind when I’d written this, particularly her decision to vote present when the Biden admin was forcing striking rail workers back to work. It’d kind of felt like a stab in the back at the time and still does but she’s shown herself to be a person of principle and character since then so whether it was a misstep or a tactical decision I was misunderstanding I’ve softened a lot since then where she’s concerned. She’s not perfect obviously, no one in politics is and I learned a long time ago to not let perfect be the enemy of good but that still doesn’t excuse enabling the status quo when other options exist. I think we’re in a real crisis and I was especially angry about that when this was written, I’d said it was important to organize and network within your community, to take real action to reduce harm and to drum up support for real justice when the time comes, only to be hit with “Why organize when so many ‘leftists’ wouldn’t even vote for Harris?” I’m paraphrasing as the comment has long since been deleted. This argument that we’re in this mess because others voted wrong or stuck to a purity test boils my blood because not only do I think it’s factually incorrect, it doesn’t do a damn thing to fix the very real problems we’re currently facing. I’m fed up with Schumer and the establishment Dems, and I’m even more fed up with progressives who wind up like Fetterman and compromise on their earlier principles but I recognize the need to work with less radical liberals because the alternative is pretty plainly fascism
Counterpoint: Beggars can’t be choosers, but choosers can become beggars. Those who didn’t vote for harm reduction and are currently without income and social assistance personify that fact. I appreciate your stance, but have no sympathy for those who chose 2024 to “put their foot down”.
Which is a valid position to take. I never intended to change anyone’s mind on what the right path was in 2024. For better and very much for worse we’re all in the same leaky ass boat and it’s going to take serious and sustained cross popular activism to keep us all from drowning. Harris Stans, hard line progressive Puritans, hell I’ll take remorseful Trumpets because at this point it’s more important to be doing damage control and repairs than it is to litigate who was responsible for getting us into this mess. To be clear I’m not suggesting you or most others in this thread are attempting to relitigate that, but I’ve seen an infuriating tendency to dismiss potential allies because something is “their fault” rather than doing the work of building a strong coalition. I’m of the opinion the only successful long term strategy is grassroots, pushing for principled candidates from all backgrounds who will follow through on their stated goals. Our first goal must be to stop the bleeding, but to heal the damage we MUST put a stop to the duoparty ratchet effect which has been pushing the US to the right for decades, and the only way to do that is to primary Dems from the left. To provide real and actionable solutions to the crises facing the US, and in a really fucked up way Trump has given this movement a generational opportunity. These idiots have shit the bed so hard they’ve created an opportunity for a seismic change in policy, and a corresponding appetite with swing voters.
I hope when you say you have no sympathy for those folks you’re speaking facetiously. I understand how you feel, but it makes me very sad. Not that you in isolation are feeling this way but that such a position is understandable in the first place. This is a messed up time
Who said I’m blaming? I am informing protest-non-voters what they voted for.
Considering your tone (and that your comment barely even responsed to what I said), ciao.
No
Whatever you’re in to man, just pick a safe word first
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I’m just informing protest-non-voters what they voted for.
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See? You’re on “responsiblity”, while I am informing. So, cheers.
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Can I inform you that you’re acting like an asshole and nobody is going to listen to what you have to say if you deliver it that way?
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What do you mean by this? Innocent of what?
Apparently they meant we didn’t do enough to convince others. Here I thought they meant we all share blame because we “consent” to being governed in this manner.
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Blaming voters is such a weak stance, its always just comes down to personal grievances. Your vote blaming logic could be applied to anyone.
This is what you voted for, Barack Obama voters! His tepid implementation of DACA left this poor girl with very few legal protections!
This is what you voted for, Joe Biden voters! Biden could have defunded ICE, instead he gave them billions!
This is what you voted for, Chester A Arthur voters! Your implementation of the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882 was inevitably going to lead to this!
I am informing protest-non-voters what they voted for.
Yea and I’m informing Chester A Arthur voters about what they voted for lol
The difference is that Arthur voters have more blame on their shoulders, because they actually changed the outcome of an election, unlike “protest non-voters”.
because they actually changed the outcome of an election, unlike “protest non-voters”.
I’m certain that I saw an article on here recently saying the exact opposite of this, but I can’t find it. I’ll look through my comment history maybe to try to find it
Edit: found it
https://newrepublic.com/article/204271/why-democrats-lost-2024-election-trump-way-to-win-report
Oops, looks like you’re gonna have to start lying to yourself if you want to continue pretending that you’re not partially responsible for what is happening in this country right now
Your TNR article correctly asserts that Dems lost because they failed to motivate their base. It is explaining how the Democratic Party’s policies on the economy and immigration had a strong negative effect on voter turnout.
It says nothing about protest voters, and only a passing mention of Gaza. I was under the impression that “protest non voters” referred explicitly to those voters who concerned themselves with the genocide in Palestine.
If you expand the scope of “protest non voters” to include those who didn’t vote due to the economy or immigration policy, then I agree with you completely.
Yes, that’s the reason people give for why they didn’t vote. No shit.
Still their fault.
Your whole spiel was that I was blaming. Now you turn a 180 when I point out that I am informing. Well kinda, because you’re right back to blame. So cheers.
Well I’m honestly curious what your intention is when you “inform” these non voters of their mistake.
Is it all about emotional release? Or do you honestly believe that you can shame these voters into voting correctly next time?
Why is your focus on this tiny subset of voters, and not focused on Trump voters?
From my standpoint, you’re just doing more damage to the already fractured Democratic Party base. Damaging the Democratic Party is helping Trump win a third term.
I can only speak for myself, but for me it comes from the frustration of arguing with these people over and over before the election, trying to explain why it’s a terrible idea, then having to live through the past year and seeing them still refuse to accept it.
So it’s all about emotional release, at least you’re honest.
Do you agree that this type of rhetoric is divisive; fracturing the Dem party; and ultimately helping Trump and MAGA?
“aT LeASt I dIdNT vOtE FOr geNoCIdE!”
Looks like that solved that problem. Hey Gaza, how’s it going over there!?
Everything in society is dependent on people doing what they are supposed to, to serve whatever role their place in that system is. When they can freely not do that, they do whatever they want, and then we stop having society because nobody serves the roles that are needed to have one. Then the authoritarians get annoyed people aren’t doing whats needed for them to have a society to be in control of and start beating everyone into compliance. And they have to keep doing that because their system is shit and nobody wants it that way but them.
This is why people get confused, because they think authoritarianism is some strong man saying “you can’t do this, you can’t do that”
There’s a quote about how authoritarianism isnt someone saying “you can’t” but instead it’s someone saying “you may”
- You may ignore this law
- You may jail these people
- You may disregard due process
That’s the real danger, when rights and law are replaced with the whims and favor of a despot.
If they eat Taco Bell they must definitely be real Americans.
More claiming of fake birth certificates for people who aren’t white enough. Same shit has been happening for people born along the Texas border, because only Latino people can lie about birth certificates apparently.
Trump did the same thing to Obama 17 years ago.
Those inbred fucks wouldn’t know a fake one
There is only one acceptable state of an ice agent.
Is it cold? Say it’s cold.
Ice cold
I can’t hear ya!
I say what’s, what’s cooler than being cool?
Ice cold!
Alright, alright, alright, alright, alright, alright, okay now ladies. Now we gon’ break this thing down in just a few seconds
Now don’t have me break your door down for nothin’
Now I want to see y’all on your knees, hands behind you
Show us your ID, turn in your neighbor!
Ice ice baby …
Bose-Einstein condensate
Ice age or nothing.
Reminds me of China IL when Pony gets stuck in Mexico, crazy the voice actress went on to make the Barbie movie
