“How does an argument over a television program end up with a murder, an attempted murder and a suicide?” he said.
BECAUSE HE HAD A GUN ASSHOLE.
No one that fucked up should be allowed to own firearms.
Those poor kids. The presents under the tree were the last gifts from their mom they’d ever receive. Thank goodness the mom had the awareness to send her son out of the house, and that the baby was unharmed. No matter where they go from here, the older kids, at least, will never be able to look at Christmas the same way again.
I expect to see more of this.
Conservative women’s brains are fucked because they needed a sense of belonging and all they had to choose from were scumbags.
I’m not blaming the women. It’s just the reality when a substantial amount of them get sucked up in the MAGA bullshit.
Family annihilators do not always make the national news but it happens a sickening amount. Typically a male spouse.
If ONLY she had Killed him FIRST this WOULDNT have happened And that’s LITERALLY the Only Way to have Prevented that!
it mentions that there was a history of abuse that went unreported to the police. I suspect changing that could have prevented this, too.
If he had a history of domestic violence it would literally take only one of those to be reported and have him charged with. All his guns would be taken from him
Oops now she gets stabbed with a kitchen knife and bleeds out painfully
People are much less likely to actually use knives than guns. And if they do, their target has a greater chance to get away.
That’s Polk County FL in a very sad nutshell.
It wasn’t a “shooting” it was a NRA sponsored Freedom Celebration™
Sociology class I took ages ago mentioned a very strong correlation of domestic violence with football team performance. Basically in the state that the winning team belongs to, their violence rates dip, and the team that lost gets a surge of husbands assaulting/murdering their wives.
Humans are really shitty animals.
One study published in the Quarterly Journal of Economics found that domestic violence rates increase by about 10% on days when NFL games are played, particularly when there are unexpected outcomes or high-stakes matchups.
Wow, Thats beyond margin of error. Wtf ppl?
A lot of people are getting drunk while watching.
Don’t blame humans for what football fans do.
Tom Brady is a hero in Massachusetts bud
“He absolutely destroyed a family,” Judd said. “Our homicide detectives are distraught. When you go in there, there is a beautiful Christmas tree with lots of Christmas presents under the tree, just like the nuclear family should be … and it ends up this way.”
Yeah, so maybe, just maybe the drug using alcoholic with anger management issues should not have had a gun. But no, we can’t restrict gun ownership, can we. Some old guys a about 250 years ago said we shouldn’t do that. So, sorry folks. All you can do is get your own gun and hope you’re fast enough to shoot any crazy fucks who come at you before they can shoot you. It’s the American way.
the guys 250 years ago also said something about “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State…” as if to qualify their following statement.
Liberals love to focus on that line. At the time “well regulated” meant “well equipped”. Militias were just farmers called up to fight in case of an emergency. The founders wanted a populace armed with military quality weapons in place of a permanent professional army in case Europe decided to invade. You can argue whether that’s still relevant today, but that’s what they meant when they wrote it. They go into greater detail in the federalist papers.
Military quality weapons? Then where are the civilian tanks and fighter jets? Hell, even just automatic weapons are out of our hands.
Well this may shock you, but none of those things existed in 1791 and were not accounted for in the second amendment. It really should have been updated, but doing things the right way is inconvenient so instead various governments have found back doors to water it down as they have with most of the bill of rights.
Also, from a purely pedantic perspective, private ownership of tanks and (afaik) jet fighters is perfectly legal if you have the insane amount of money you’d need to buy one. The same is true of automatic weapons if you go to the trouble and expense to get an FFL.
Also, from a purely pedantic perspective, private ownership of tanks and (afaik) jet fighters is perfectly legal if you have the insane amount of money you’d need to buy one. The same is true of automatic weapons if you go to the trouble and expense to get an FFL.
Yes, technically legal but fraught with regulation, which is what people are asking for with gun control.
I don’t think there’s any regulations on tanks except driving them on public roads. But, again, jthe amendment says “shall not be infringed”. That should either be respected or changed. When you start adding “except” to the bill rights you’re opening the floodgates to chisel away at all of them.
“Congress shall make no law establishing an establishment of religion” except Christianity because Jesus is Lord
“The right of the people peaceably to assemble” unless they’re criticizing the ruling class
“no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized” unless the cop has a really good hunch
Most of these could be sold as public safety, just like the “excepts” we’ve stapled onto the second amendment. We can’t allow the government to treat the bill.of rights as a list of suggestions. If one of them is no longer relevant, follow the process and change it.
They’ve already been chiseling away at all of the Bill of Rights for decades, yet for some reason they don’t touch guns. Why is that?
Are you suggesting the ambiguously worded will of the slave owners and their enablers from 250 years ago should be adapted to modern reality? What kind of filthy commie talk is that?
It’s not ambiguously worded.
This man was clearly part of a well-regulated militia.
Well, I… um… er… Hey! What in the world can that be?!
*runs off serpentine fashion in case you are about to pull out a gun*
More relevant is that people who needed to hand pack and load every mystery ball one at a time after every inaccurate shot couldn’t possibly imagine a reality in which everyone has easy access to high velocity semi-automatic weapons that hold a dozen or more rounds and can be reloaded in seconds.
There’s kinda a big difference between 3 rounds a minute and 3 rounds a second.
We do restrict people’s rights to own guns though absolutely no one wants people in jail to have them.
It’s only when you talk about common sense gun restrictions that people lose their minds.
I think if you have a gun you should have to carry liability insurance on it too.
NY has some pretty clear laws about mental health history and pistol permits and I’ve seen Delaware county judges issue them regardless.
Dude had no criminal record so nothing preventing him from owning a gun, BUT… as a coke head, if he was using at the time he bought the gun, he would have had to have lied when filling out the purchase form and that would have been a blocker.
Florida does have a red flag law that could have been used to seize his gun(s).
https://www.fighterlaw.com/how-do-floridas-red-flag-gun-laws-work/
“In 2019, National Public Radio reported that Florida courts had approved 2,500 risk protection orders to confiscate firearms over a period of 1.5 years. That equals out to nearly five people per day that had their firearms seized due to red flag laws–more than any of the other 17 states that have adopted a similar regulation.”
So you’d like the state to be the only ones allowed to own lethal weapons? I’m sure that will work out great for everyone who’s not a member of the ruling party
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That must be why the US invasion of Afghanistan was such a success and achieved all of their goals in a timely fashion.
You do understand that starting a civil war means that hellfire missile is also blowing up the neighbors house as well and they might have been sided with the ruling party? You need boots on the ground to patrol and take territory, a drone cannot do that.
Do Vietnam vs the US next. Or the Taliban. Or any other time a guerilla force defeated a military with superior firepower.
No. But, if we are going to allow guns in our society, I want everyone who has one to have passed a thorough class and passed a comprehensive test on gun safety and usage. Further, I want anyone who later demonstrates failure to exercise the lessons taught in those classes to be charged with criminal negligence and lose their right to own a gun.
This asshole had to take a test to get a license to drive, but the most he likely had to do to get a deadly weapon is swear that he’s not currently using drugs, and show that he hasn’t been convicted nor currently being charged with certain violent crimes.
Literally no one is saying that, but gun enthusiasts have no argument without their straw-men.
Doesn’t seem to be helping the US at all.
Not up to date with current events, are you?
Literally there are laws that say he can’t have a firearm…do you wanna make it more illegal?
End of the day you want an outright ban. It’s ok, just say that’s what you want.
Make sure you also include alcohol in that list as it kills way more people a year than guns do.
End of the day, you believe that a few hundred shooting deaths per year are a price worth paying for your gun fetish. Just out and say it “I don’t care how many people die, I like guns”.
Now say that with alcohol replacing it. Also with drownings… because those kill more people /children, than with all rifles combined.
Go ahead and say it.
“I don’t care about people dying, just how they are killed because that’s what I’m afraid of. And I’d rather disarm minorities and the populous while fascist are in power, because they’re not coming after me. I’m a white male.”
My guess is this was a handgun, and he had no criminal record. My guess is there was no gun safety required or taken, but this still may have happened and it’s tragic. But as for school shooting, criminal, and gang violence, there’s a shit ton of laws that could make it more difficult and less likely, without taking away the right for self defense.
What laws will do that? You know it’s illegal to convert a firearm that’s semi-auto to automatic? Yet gangs and kids who aren’t even allowed to own them, post videos of their handguns online, and the ATF and local law enforcement doesn’t do shit about it. So I’d love to hear you’re thoughts on what laws would curb gang violence and school shootings.
What kind of stupid fucking argument is that?
We’re all ok with pools requiring fences and child safe gates, and your insurance is going to be higher if you have one. But kindergartens aren’t doing alice drills because of mass drownings in schools.
You think there aren’t laws designed for people like this not to acquire firearms?
People can put up a pool without a fence.
More children die by a magnitude of 10 compared to those killed in school. 800-1k a year drown. Less than 50 kids a year are killed in random school shootings. And that just drowning, add in alcohol related deaths, and the number shoots way way up.
Yet you’re ok with pools. Which serve zero purpose. Firearms at least have a purpose.
So yea you don’t care that kids die, you only care how they are killed.
Those drills are also as pointless as the nuclear drills from the 60-70s… they’re pointless and do nothing but cause kids to become fearful of shit that is more rare than them drowning.
You, cherry picking
Less than 50 kids a year are killed in random school shootings
Reality, from 2022
Firearms were the leading cause of death for children and teenagers in the United States for the third consecutive year, and homicides accounted for the majority of gun deaths among the age group, a new report found
Yep. Age 15 to 17 is the majority of those deaths, and the majority of those are from gang violence…aka the murders you don’t care about, because you and everyone else points out school kids.
Also that’s outdated. Cars are the number 1 cause of death in kids again. Only reason it was guns was because of covid and no one traveling.
So your argument is 'the law is ineffective, so we best just give up. Maybe focus on some tangental issues, but don’t do anything to solve the actual problem, which is the ease of obtaining a firearm, legal or otherwise." Because all of the homicides by firearm are a n acceptable statistic for you as long as you get to keep your guns.
And the difference, by the way, between pool deaths and road deaths and all the others you cite, and guns: intent. The number of people who just snap one day and decide ‘I’m gonna drown my entire family on the pool’ or ‘I’m gonna drive my car through that bitches house and kill her’ is so statistically insignificant that there is no cause to protect society from it. Whereas guns allow such easy access to death that the homicide can be perpetrated before there is any time for rational thoughts. Just pick up a gun, bam, one more dead person.
So your argument is 'the law is ineffective, so we best just give up.
Where did I say that? Murder is already illegal. You gonna make it double illegal?
Maybe focus on some tangental issues, but don’t do anything to solve the actual problem,
I’ve already explained the problem, you keep focusing on the tool used. More people are killed with knives than all rifles combined. Yet $100 says you support another pointless AWB dont you?
which is the ease of obtaining a firearm, legal or otherwise."
Please please wise one, tell me how you plan on enforcing your ban on a country with 450+ million firearms in circulation.
Because all of the homicides by firearm are a n acceptable statistic for you as long as you get to keep your guns.
Considering that (I’ll point this out …again) alcohol kills more people…yep you’re damn right I’m not giving my firearms up until you can magically fix the issues in this country starting with the fascist fucks who are in power.
And the difference, by the way, between pool deaths and road deaths and all the others you cite, and guns: intent.
So…again. You don’t care how they die just that guns were the cause. Knives and hands/feet kill more people a year combined than all rifles do…but like I said above you’d be for another AWB.
The number of people who just snap one day and decide ‘I’m gonna drown my entire family on the pool’ or ‘I’m gonna drive my car through that bitches house and kill her’ is so statistically insignificant that there is no cause to protect society from it
So…again. You don’t care how they’re killed, just that guns did it, so they’re bad.
Whereas guns allow such easy access to death that the homicide can be perpetrated before there is any time for rational thoughts. Just pick up a gun, bam, one more dead person.
Just swerve into civs…one more dead person…just grab the kitchen knife…one more dead person.
Everything you’re listing has one thing in common that you can’t seem to focus on. Why they did it in the first place. Your bandaid solution is “ban all guns” (because let’s be honest, criminals don’t follow laws, so making more restrictions matters zilch to them, they’ll get one from the black market).
Alcohol should indeed be far more restrictive, so you’re argument there kinda falls flat.
Also most people advocate for getting rid of any potential deaths? But because people also die while drowning, that means guns shouldn’t also be further restricted and managed?
The same goes for cars, drugs, drinking, poison warnings. It doesn’t matter what causes the death, we try to limit it as best as we can, and not make excuses that some deaths are okay just so you can pretend to be a big strong man with a gun.
Alcohol should indeed be far more restrictive, so you’re argument there kinda falls flat.
Yea prohibition worked really well.
Also most people advocate for getting rid of any potential deaths? But because people also die while drowning, that means guns shouldn’t also be further restricted and managed?
You don’t get rid of pools because people drown, you make sure people can swim, and that their are lifeguards watching.
In the case with firearms. There are already shit loads of laws in place. They clearly don’t have the effect you think they do. Instead of spending political capital on a lost cause, you could instead focus on the why it happens. Single payer healthcare, better funding for schools, making sure children don’t turn to gangs because their parent or parents are working 3 jobs to keep some sort of roof over there heads. There is a massive amount of things that can be done that would curb the guns deaths in this country, that don’t require more dumbass laws from people who don’t understand the why.
The same goes for cars, drugs, drinking, poison warnings. It doesn’t matter what causes the death, we try to limit it as best as we can, and not make excuses that some deaths are okay just so you can pretend to be a big strong man with a gun.
You can buy a car at any age, with no insurance, in cash and transport it via state lines with no problems. Can’t do that with a gun.
Drugs??? So you agree with the war on drugs which has done nothing but turn our country into a prison state? Bit odd…
Drinking, just need to be 21… nothing more…
Poison warnings? Lol the fuck
I’ll ignore that last bit cause I see you’re unable to actually defend the shit you think is right by throwing personal insults at me.
Prohibition is entirely irrelevant, I never said to ban Alcohol i said it should be far more restrictive. Yet we do still have laws restricting alcohol like you point out, with it being you need to be 21. You can also look at car related deaths due to alcohol, compare a lax laws and restrictive state like Wisconsin versus Minnesota, which has far more consequences for drinking while driving.
You don’t get rid of guns, you heavily restrict them, require a purpose, and also have to adhere to quite a few rules for the privilege. Our current firearm laws are an absolute joke, and the gun death/crime rate shows. There actually are quite a few examples that you could look at, for instance Switzerland has a comparable gun ownership percent. Yet they don’t have school shootings, gun violence, and all the other problems that USA does.
I really really wonder why that is. I personally don’t care to argue with you, because no matter how many sources or stats that I showed you, you would never care. So, if you actually cared about gun safety and having proper restrictions and laws on them, go look at literally any other country and how they handle guns, because this is such a uniquely American problem with such an easy solution that you just don’t want to accept.
Prohibition is entirely irrelevant, I never said to ban Alcohol i said it should be far more restrictive. Yet we do still have laws restricting alcohol like you point out, with it being you need to be 21.
Cool, you ever try buying a firearm? It’s a lot easier to get alcohol. No law you can dream up, short of an entire ban and then a forced door to door confiscation is going to stop violent people from being violent. Even if you did pull it off, they’ll still use knives, hammers, their fists, their cars.
You can also look at car related deaths due to alcohol, compare a lax laws and restrictive state like Wisconsin versus Minnesota, which has far more consequences for drinking while driving.
Lol that shit isn’t stopping anyone from driving drunk, murder is already illegal, it doesn’t stop people from doing it.
You don’t get rid of guns, you heavily restrict them, require a purpose, and also have to adhere to quite a few rules for the privilege.
And how do you propose that? You know how many firearms are in civ hands in the USA? 450+ million.
Our current firearm laws are an absolute joke, and the gun death/crime rate shows.
66+% is suicide. 5% is domestic violence, 5% cops killing people, 14% homicides, 10% is the rest, DGUs, accidents, etc.
There actually are quite a few examples that you could look at, for instance Switzerland has a comparable gun ownership percent. Yet they don’t have school shootings, gun violence, and all the other problems that USA does.
Yes because I forgot how much Switzerland doesn’t have any safety nets at all. And they have a huge issue with people becoming homeless and gang violence as well. Yep totally comparable.
I really really wonder why that is.
You know why it is. You just want to burry your head in the sand and scream it’s the guns…and not the example you just gave that says otherwise.
I personally don’t care to argue with you, because no matter how many sources or stats that I showed you, you would never care.
Considering all the stats in the world will not magically prove anything, because the US is not comparable to any of the countries you would call out. Because the countries you will try and use have safety nets and give a shit about their citizens. Just like you’re about to do…
So, if you actually cared about gun safety and having proper restrictions and laws on them, go look at literally any other country and how they handle guns, because this is such a uniquely American problem with such an easy solution that you just don’t want to accept.
Yup, like I said.
Here’s one for you. Brazil or Mexico. Civ gun laws banned. Go tell me how little firearm homicides they have. I’ll wait.
than with all rifles combined.
Just dipping in here to say that you’re going on my block list because you argue like a little weasel with qualifiers like “all rifles” because you know that otherwise your argument is shit.
People want black scary rifles banned… that’s why there is a qualifier in there, but guess this won’t matter because you’ve blocked me lol
I don’t think anyone believes those are ‘worth it’ because of a fetish over guns. I think if people do think that, the pro is usually the ability to defend yourself
So what, this woman and her 13 Yr old should have been strapped? Whilst chilling on the sofa on Christmas eve? Then this never would have happened!
+1 on the other reply. It’s more of a general, common idea than something applicable to this scenario
No one is saying that. Multiple people in this thread have pointed out that we need mental health reform, and other safety nets, so this woman and her 13 yo daughter didn’t feel like they had to stay with this crazy fuck for food and shelter.
Yes.
I’m ready to repeal the second and I’m not shy about it. Americans aren’t capable of owning guns.
Any reasonable country would have taken pause after sandy hook, American went, “more guns!”
You and your kond refuse be adults about this so it’s time for the rest of us to take away your toys.
Anyone that disagrees can get fucked, enabling the murder of children is worse than pedophilia.
There it is. Glad at least one of you can say it.
Now make sure you’re ok calling anyone else who agrees with owning pools, alcohol, or hell overfeeding their kids worse than pedophiles…
One of you? I may be the only one. This isn’t a widely accept idea.
Most Americans refuse to specific the height of the dead child pile needs to be before they tap out.
owning pools, alcohol, or hell overfeeding their kids
All of that combined doesn’t come close to approaching the gun death rate of children.
You’re the kind of dismissive asshole that requires the repeal. You’re the reason we cannot have nice things.
I don’t expect you to accept it anymore than a child rapist can accept a child wasn’t flirting with them. Both you and them would immediately eat a bullet the moment you understood your culpability.
One of you? I may be the only one. This isn’t a widely accept idea.
Naa, amongst the anti-2a crowd. Those who think more laws will magically fix things are just quietly wanting all guns banned but saying that to the rest of the populous won’t have people jumping on board. Instead they give vague “common sense” gun control bullshit as rhetoric.
Most Americans refuse to specific the height of the dead child pile needs to be before they tap out.
Most Americans don’t actually research shit. They watch 24 hour news channels and assume that a mass school shooting happens 5 times a day.
All of that combined doesn’t come close to approaching the gun death rate of children.
Yea it does, removing suicide, it’s higher. Nearly 1k kids a year drown, 250+ a year from drunk drivers…
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/child-health.htm
You’re the kind of dismissive asshole that requires the repeal. You’re the reason we cannot have nice things.
My firearms have never harmed anyone. What they have done is stand between cops and BLM protestors. They also have killed a many number of paper targets.
I don’t expect you to accept it anymore than a child rapist can accept a child wasn’t flirting with them. Both you and them would immediately eat a bullet the moment you understood your culpability.
Lol yea I’m the dismissive one. What a childish thing to say.
There’s laws about all sorts of things. What’s your point?
Sounds like you’re not flowing along. The laws don’t magically stop people from doing bad shit. Educated populous with safety nets, full bellies, and a roof over their heads stops them from needing to do bad shit to survive. In this case, this abuse/murder wasn’t a snap from this idiot, more than likely he had been abusive for years and years but because the US doesn’t have a means of supporting those who need it (daughter and wife) then they’re stuck with their abusers.
more than likely he had been abusive for years
according to the article he in-fact was abusive prior to this occasion but it was never reported to police.
Lately, I’ve been wondering if it’s possible to provide photo or video evidence in court when AI can easily create the highest quality evidence out of nothing… So this person is not generated?
is this the “well regulated militia” that everyones talkin about?
No, no, that argument fell apart the moment the “well” “regulated” 2A “militia” stepped aside and let fascism in. Now they’re just tacticool cosplayers.
And now we got the paramilitary gravy seals showing up in jungle camo to kidnap tu abuelo in the fucking Walmart parking lot.
Is the “well regulated militia” in the room with us
Holes drilled in the ground to access water should not be managing firearms
America has a mental health crisis
America has a gun crisis
If America didn’t have guns it would still have massacres. Something like driving into crowds or taking sharp objects into public spaces.
Removing guns is like taking shoe laces in the psyche ward - it isn’t solving a problem but making other opportunities more apparent.
Not really. Plenty of places have high gun counts without the high violence count. There’s something wrong with us, specifically.
Mental health in the USA is good.
Definitely a normal country full of well-adjusted people. We can see evidence of that on a daily basis.
This kind of stuff just boggles the mind. I’ve discussed with my american wife how it’s so crazy the volume of insane, violent shit happening in the states compared to the rest of the civilized world and what could the explanation for it be. I’m pretty sure there isn’t such a volume of serial killers anywhere else in the world and almost always the most effed up shit that happens in a somewhat civilized country, it’s the states.
Incident like this in a european country would probably be the most horrific thing in recent history, lawmakers would scramble to do something about it and it would make headlines for a month. In the states it’s just another tuesday afternoon.
As a reminder, the cutoff on psychopathy assessment is 5 points higher in the US than elsewhere. You can literally be considered a psychopath by the same assessment elsewhere in the world and be considered just normal in the US
Jeez, getting kicked out of the UCP hit Kenney hard.
Hope he rots in hell
heres a down vote me comment…ya know, id be ok if prohibition of alcohol came back
He was also using coke according to the article. Prohibition didn’t stop him from using that, there’s no reason to believe it would have stopped him from drinking either.
Last time it was tried the homicide rate went up by 13% …
Well im a bit suprised that smuggling increased it that much but numbers dont lie
some historians speculate that the total number could have continued to rise due to the increase in criminal activity associated with the illegal alcohol trade.
Homicides were trending up leading into it, perhaps there were other factors involved as well.
I quit drinking a good 10 years ago. Once you stop drinking and realise how weird alcohol culture is and how it’s somehow everywhere and everything is just better without… Fully agree.
I still drink.
Mainly responsibly. Once or twice a year, if even, I’ll go overboard, but otherwise it’s a one or two drink thing.
I couldn’t agree more. It’s a great social lubricant but I have no idea how you can be an adult that gets hammered drunk on the regular.
It’s by far the worst drug in the world and turns people into fucking morons. I’ve learned a healthy respect for it, and know how spectacularly wrong things can go when you overindulge and the flaming trail of wreckage the drug causes isn’t worth whatever fleeting moments of pleasure getting carried away causes. And I’ve internalized that hard.
Im not gonna downvote you, but the cocaine use may have also been a factor here…
But then we would have to start bombing Venezuelas booze boats.
