I don’t know what the arguments against this idea would be, but seems to me like the first thing Denmark needs to do, probably with the help of some allies, is expel the US from Greenland, take over the US military base there and strongly fortify it. Then the US can’t use it for the invasion. I’m sure their plans heavily depend on having and using that base. Don’t say anything beforehand, just show up with enough force that the existing US contingent there can’t win if they fight back, present the eviction notice, and get them moving out before US can send reinforcements.
it’s there anything in NATO about what they will do if a NATO nation invaded another NATO nation?
EU is too divided to do anything. My guess is Hungary will support it, UK will “strongly oppose” but do nothing to protect their trade deals and Germany will express support but do nothing not to engender their failing economy. Denmark, Ireland, Netherlands and Spain will enact some sanctions. Not sure about France… Anyway, EU as a whole will not respond. This was long time in the making. Tolerating foreign agents like Hungary for way too long, letting Germany weaken EU’s security for their economic benefit through deals with Russia and not reacting to developments in US in time. Our politicians failed us and now we will feel the consequences.
Finland will be silent and hope no one will notice we are here.
Yeah I’ve been disgusted by the USA bootlicking of our leaders. The moment people manage to force the government finally stand up to Russia for a moment, they just seek new shoes to lick. Weak, foolish idiots, it doesn’t matter how much golfing you do with Trump. You can’t trust dictators
Have they closed the US military base? Stripped the soldiers of weapons, kicked them off base, deported them? Sent in people to secure the base? These are high alert actions.
In “full crisis mode,” this should be the first step, and I hope it’s what Denmark & Greenland do.
As a Dane I am grateful that so many countries have expressed support for Greenland and Denmark in this situation.
Saying and acting are unfortunately a world apart. Let’s hope that expression manifests into something tangible if necessary. I feel like I’m living through my history lessons at the moment and I don’t like what happened next.
I think EU has demonstrated that we can act in concord when needed. We can’t beat USA militarily, but we can make it very expensive for USA if they invade Europe. Europe is already working on independence from USA both economically and militarily, if USA invades a European country, I guess we have no other option than to work with China instead of USA.
I have no idea how Trump see it as a good idea to get former allies to turn against USA. It is already happening to some degree, the alliance is very uneasy now, in a way that has never before been the case between Europe and USA after WW2, and the exact same with Canada and USA.
USA has no real allies left, only allies of convenience. And at some point USA will learn the difference. That point will probably be pretty instant if USA invades Greenland.We saw what Europe did to defend Venezuela
Europe has no interest in Venezuela, as I’ve mentioned before, nobody likes Maduro.
Why would Europe sacrifice anything to help Venezuela?
We have no alliance or obligation towards Venezuela.Europe is complicit in America’s crimes since Europe loans money to America. Europe is financing America’s crimes.
It’s not just “no interest” Europe is actively supporting America’s crimes. Also, Venezuela isn’t the first coup and it won’t be the last.
Europe is complicit in America’s crimes since Europe loans money to America.
What an absolute bullshit argument! By that standard China would be the most complicit, and China and USA don’t agree on foreign politics.
When you loan another country money, they have to grow that money so they can pay you interest. Stealing another country’s oil is a quick and easy way to make a lot of money which they can use to pay interest.
Yes, China is complicit. But China is also steadily selling all their US treasuries and buying gold with those dollars.
Remember we sanctioned Russia to weaken their economy? The same can be done with America as well.
I’m from the US and I’m disgusted and embarrassed with the place. I moved to Sweden recently and if it comes to it I’d sooner help protect your borders than go back to the US
It probably includes most Americans. I think even a lot of his voters don’t want this. He did run on being the candidate of peace and getting us out of wars. That was enough to fool enough people into voting for him.
Yes there are a lot of good Americans, unfortunately they are a minority. 🙁
I don’t think they are. I think the minority are running the show right now.
Technically true but irrelevant.
A majority of Americans do not give a shit about Danemark and would not lift their pinky to help one of their staunchest allies. That is true.
MAGA is a (large) minority. That is also true.
This is all enabled by a very sizeable chunk of Americans being literally mentally unable to conceptualize people outside their village as living, breathing, fully conscious people deserving of love and safety. They are colloquially known as “non-voters”.
Would be pretty great if the majority could do something about it, then.
It sure would be. The problem is we have a republic, not a democracy. So even though a candidate runs on one thing, if they change their stance then we just have to live with it.
we just have to live with it.
George Washington rolling in his grave right now.
He’s part of the group that setup this republic because they wanted rich white men to run the country…
Unfortunately you are obviously wrong.
Trump got the majority vote, Republicans have behaved like sociopaths for decades, and Trump even turned it up to a whole new level.
It was very obvious, and despite that he got the majority vote. That clearly shows the Majority of Americans accepted these sociopathic policies. There is no way around it, it was too obvious to claim afterwards that “this was not what we voted for”, because USA got EXACTLY what they voted for. And lame excuses like it’s only half the population that vote are frivolous. Because despite the clear danger, people did NOT turn up to vote against Trump.Everybody who didn’t vote but could have, accepted that Trump might win, and was OK with that.
If you didn’t vote, or voted Trump, you don’t get to whine about it afterwards. It’s not like he changed character after the vote.
Trump got the majority vote
Nope a decent plurality does not a majority make
He got slightly less than half of the vote with a voter turnout of 64%, meaning only a third of eligible voters actual voted for him. The turnout in 2024 was slightly lower than 2020, but it was still higher than most years before. He has never even reached 50% approval rating, which is low compared to the highs of most presidents before him.
Fascists rarely have majority support, only needing a reliable plurality. They did gain power because not enough was done to stop them, but the lack of action was not just from non voters. The Democrats made multiple political blunders that even their own internal investigations revealed. Not only did they fuck up on Gaza, they completely dropped the ball on economic issues; failing to even acknowledge problems let alone offer anything new.
He got slightly less than half of the vote
No he won the popular vote, there is no evidence otherwise.
And all the ones that didn’t vote who could have, were OK with Trump winning, or else they would have turned up to vote against him.
So 2 thirds either wanted him to win or were OK with it.He got 2.3 million more votes than Harris, which 1.5% more than her for a grand total of 49.8% of the vote. Almost 2% voted 3rd party, which basically means they didn’t vote in FPTP. That still doesn’t mean a majority voted for him. Both Obama and Biden won more than 50%, so him not breaking that threshold in either election he won was noteworthy. He’s always been the most popular of the unpopular.
And all the ones that didn’t vote who could have, were OK with Trump winning, or else they would have turned up to vote against him.
You’re not wrong on this point, at least mechanically. Unfortunately for all of us who understand this, most people are don’t view voting this way. They lack the imagination for an election meaning the death of liberal democracy. Many who sat out might not have thought Trump would win. They thought even if he did win, he’d only be as bad as his first term, which while bad, could still be passed off as more of the same. Even to this day, people still think we live in a nation of laws, that things will go back to normal next election, that we aren’t doomed to decades of instability where nothing is off the table.
I really don’t blame them for thinking this, as a Democrats didn’t really campaign with the desperation they needed to. They tried a new way Democrat approach of appealing to the middle, thinking the left was secure. They didn’t harp on project 2025 or Trump’s open promises of dictatorship. They didn’t want people to panic, to realize how fragile things were, to realize that the rich donors they served were already on Trump’s side. They made everyone, even the loyal voters like me, feel like we had no choice in policy. They made clear that their promises of promoting democracy and regulating capitalism were lies. They made it as hard as possible to rationally support them, so I’ll never blame those who didn’t vote blue more than I blame the Democrats.
You are correct that Americans failed to prevent this; that everything we see is our collective fault. However, most don’t want this. Fascism taking power doesn’t mean it is popular or what most really want. It’s stupidity, not malice.
Support means little to nothing.
I want to see actions with words, I need to see actions with words. So far, trump takes and people take a step back. Trump takes again and governments protest, but they step back.
Here too, trump takes a country, murders some innocent civilians and military, and then the Cheetos threatens Greenland, AND YOU GOT SUPPORT?
You ain’t got shit. Empty words, not even on paper but on some website.
What people and countries do when Greenland will be invaded, and it will be, will matter. This, so far, hasn’t been shit and I suspect that once Greenland gets invaded and stolen, god knows what will happen to it’s inhabitants, nobody will do anything more than weakly protest
They be moooonitoring
As a Spaniard I will tell you one thing, the borders of the EU are my borders, a violation of them is an attack on my country, from that moment on I would be at war without a doubt. But Greenland is not EU, it would be like Ukraine, send weapons, ok, send money, ok, diplomatic aid, ok; direct involvement in the war, send soldiers or something, no thanks
Hey there, how would you feel about the Canary Islands being annexed? Is that EU enough for you?
Unlike Greenland, the Canary Islands are 100% territory of the European Union, and it is not about simple reciprocity. If that were the case, Malta, I don’t think it would contribute much, and between brothers, there is no need to expect to receive the same treatment. The question is whether the Greenlanders see me as a brother, with whom they share a vision of the world or a shared common project, their political decisions in recent decades imply that they do not.
Against USA a military victory is not an option anyway. All we can do is to make it costly for USA. We should actually do that already IMO. Personally I’m boycotting everything American. With the exception of Steam, because Steam supports Linux, and Linux is a part of my independence from USA in so many ways.
Against USA a military victory is not an option anyway.
What’s with Afghanistan and Vietnam?
Those were victories created by rebel armies that had advantages of being very good at hiding, and attack from hidden positions. Where do you imagine a rebel army would hide in Greenland that wouldn’t be detectable by infrared?
Greenland is country of 50000 people, Afghanistan has 1000 times that population, and Vietnam 2000 times that population.
Sending military from Europe to Greenland would be very exposed and the American military is way superior at present.
Military action is simply not an option against USA. It would be a fight that would need to be fought on other fronts.I expect that article 42 is not activated because Greenland is an oversea territory but the EU could draw a line in the sand and expell the US from all bases. That would trigger a war cause the US need them to control Africa and Eurasia. So the EU could fight all over the continent if they wanted.
Good point.
TIL! As a Belgian, I never knew Greenland wasn’t included. Turns out the French and Dutch colonies overseas ARE included and count as “Outermost regions” while Greenland is regarded as part of the “Overseas countries and territories” which are not part of the EU. Make it make sense… :)
So would you be at war if French Guyana was attacked?
Appeasing to a bully never works. Until you evict the US base out of Greenland, you are not in crisis mode. Europeans are tired of inaction.
If the US takes Greenland, I fear that NATO will be effectively dissolved. Denmark probably invokes Article 5… does anyone come to their aid against the US? Seems unlikely. If they do, let’s be real here, the US will just acquire new colonies. Either way, NATO means next to nothing; total Russian victory. Russia gets to sabotage/colonize western and then eastern Europe, and China gets Taiwan (if they feel like calling the US’s bluff) and whatever else they want. The only truly sovereign countries left will be the ones with a hefty nuclear arsenal.
If the US takes Greenland and NATO doesn’t respond Canada is next.
I don’t think so. Taking over Greenland will look a bit like changing the name of Gulf of Mexico to Gulf of America. US will say they now control Greenland, Denmark will say they don’t. There will be no invasion because US already has a military base there. Denmark will not attack it because it would be foolish and pointless. US will probably say that Greenland residents can get US passports and establish some parallel administration. And then, at some point, when they want prove they actually own Greenland US will provoke some conflict. Maybe they will take control of the international airport or something. Denmark will back down and everyone will accept it’s US territory while opposing it officially.
With Canada this will not work. They would have to actually invade it and I don’t think they are there yet. Bombing of Mexico will happen first.
This is a distressingly realistic take. The vast majority of human beings don’t want to be the one to start a fight, and the psychopath class that exists at all levels have used this generally agreeable human trait to leverage “I’m not touching you!” into fascist takeover because nobody wants to be the one to throw the first punch.
Maybe Canada needs a midnight swoop and kidnap Dump in the night and send him to prison for being a child rapist
Just it anyone has the final call for nukes and stuff, make sure you include Putin in the list - wouldn’t want the filthy mastermind behind global rot and decay to not see justice before his untimely pants-shitting demise.
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denmark can rebuke with, we will report more on the epstein files you clearly are trying to distract from. its what one of the south american countries currently threatened are doing.
Danes, Canada will not abandon you.
-people are being abused and murdered by another state
-no one gives a shit because they didn’t sign the right pieces of paper 40 years ago.
What the fuck is wrong with the world man. Oppression everywhere needs to be met with EXTREME VIOLENCE.
You want to abuse people, you need to be removed from the planet by something very fast moving. Doesn’t matter if that is a head of state or a military. Oppression needs to be met with overwhelming retaliatory force.
And this is the point
Yrumpmis Putin’s little bitch, Putin wants to dissolve NATO. If the US takes Greenland, it’ll be the end of NATO, and
the USPutin will control Greenland and with that, the ArcticAnd still nobody moves
And still nobody moves
Because Trump is not Putin’s little bitch.
The EU is Trump’s bitch after being at war with Russia. Trump is financed by US billionaires first, not Putin.
But in the meantime, it is imperative that no Eurasian challenger emerges, capable of dominating Eurasia and thus also of challenging America.
