Old enough to be considered a woman, but culturally it could have been as young as 16.
When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. In a loud voice she exclaimed: “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! (Luke 1:41-42)
Mormons took that and really ran with it, as their a “Doctrine & Covenants” are much more blatant in support of rape. Joseph Smith told Emma Hale that God would destroy her for refusing to marry him.
Yes. it can absolutely be spun that way, as I said. As most anything in the Bible can be. Let me ask this then. Could she have said no? And when would that have happened?
That was AFTER impregnation, though, and under duress from supernatural beings. I don’t think that’s the correct order of operations for valid consent…
I guess it’s consent. The master/deity or their aide comes to the servant and tells them of master’s will, the great plan. The servant says, yeah, okay.
Yet another fail in writing. Why not make it so God and Gabriel give her the choice, and she adamantly agrees? Remove all doubt from the story’s plot. Or better yet, add some drama, have Mary unsure, and Gabriel explains the importance (not that it’s already planned, but why her choice is key to the direction of salvation and all that). And she with some thought decides to do it.
Oh, right… that would give a woman some agency. Never mind.
She was called a woman by her cousin who was so old that John the Baptist’s birth was miraculous. She could have been older, not all women married young. But to be considered a woman she wouldn’t have been 13.
Old enough to be considered a woman, but culturally it could have been as young as 16.
When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. In a loud voice she exclaimed: “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! (Luke 1:41-42)
There wasn’t consent though. It can be spun that way, but biblically Mary was destined to carry, and screw any free will.
Mormons took that and really ran with it, as their a “Doctrine & Covenants” are much more blatant in support of rape. Joseph Smith told Emma Hale that God would destroy her for refusing to marry him.
How do they support rape? Or do you consider it rape of I tell I woman she’ll go to hell if she doesn’t consent?
She did consent though. It’s in the account.
Yes. it can absolutely be spun that way, as I said. As most anything in the Bible can be. Let me ask this then. Could she have said no? And when would that have happened?
Are we really debating the sky wizard role playing game book?
No, just debating which set of rules we’re playing by.
“I am the Lord’s servant,” Mary answered. “May your word to me be fulfilled.” Then the angel left her.
It’s in Luke chapter 1. I mean a lot of people believe believe none of it happened, whatever. But consent was part of the account.
That was AFTER impregnation, though, and under duress from supernatural beings. I don’t think that’s the correct order of operations for valid consent…
I guess it’s consent. The master/deity or their aide comes to the servant and tells them of master’s will, the great plan. The servant says, yeah, okay.
Yet another fail in writing. Why not make it so God and Gabriel give her the choice, and she adamantly agrees? Remove all doubt from the story’s plot. Or better yet, add some drama, have Mary unsure, and Gabriel explains the importance (not that it’s already planned, but why her choice is key to the direction of salvation and all that). And she with some thought decides to do it.
Oh, right… that would give a woman some agency. Never mind.
Could have been as young as 13, as Virgin generally meant not ready for sex yet.
however it is a misconception that people married and had kids young in the past. generally it was in your early 20s even in antiquity
She was called a woman by her cousin who was so old that John the Baptist’s birth was miraculous. She could have been older, not all women married young. But to be considered a woman she wouldn’t have been 13.