This headline/title should be
In an act of sheer disrespect and a blatant invasion of privacy, douchebag “influencers” recorded women without consent and publicly shared recordings
I don’t know what is more dispicable and sad, that there’s people who would watch this or that there’s people who make this kind of low brow, knuckle dragging sleezebag content.
Can’t we just call it ‘Stupid piece of shit-fluencers’ or smth?
“Man” prefix + “influencer” = an unholy portmanteau.
Please make it stop
I hate the Internet.
Don’t. It isn’t the internet who’s being an asshole. It’s men.
Maybe you’re entirely right. I don’t disagree.
Correction: After having no success 'Manfluencers" stage interactions with paid women to make them look fuckable.
or to “subtley harass women, stalk them on camera until they relent.”
Does anything good come out of meta?
No
Some pretty good meme pictures from their demos
Filming people in public is becoming way to socially acceptable. I hate it.
Cowardice in general has become way too socially acceptable. Actually the norm. If you G-d forbid act so that you can be unambiguously determined as not a coward, then G-d help you.
And cowards understand each other very well. You can even expose them all as cowards, they’ll accept the shame and admit you’re right and all such, and then they’ll still feel victorious, because in a society of cowards cowardice always wins in all ways but one.
Living like “Hagakure” for real is perhaps the only way to preserve your humanity in some life situations, but that won’t lead to happiness. And the author of “Hagakure” refused to commit seppuku when his suzerain died, because “times have changed”.
And meeting people who live by those principles, you damn hard wish they hid or cowered or stepped back that one time that led them to pain for their remaining lives from those not worth their breath.
I’m thinking of a woman, by the way. Men of that quality are far more rare.
God
Edit: ⛹️♂️<— this is a picture of Mohammed
Talk about cowardice and you’re sensoring the word “god” lol
When they ask themselves “But how can I be even creepier?”
I bet you the Venn diagram of doing this crap and being incapable of comprehending why women picked the bear is a perfect circle.
What does “picked the bear” mean?
If you are a woman alone in the woods, would you rather come across an unknown man, or a bear? It’s a thought experiment. As a human woman, which represents a greater immanent threat?
as a human woman, which represents a greater imminent threat?
No. This is NOT the takeaway. The bear is clearly the statistically-imminent threat (let’s say a brown bear to ensure it’s hostile and deadly). The point is that you know exactly what the bear will try to do: kill you. You don’t have to greet it, you don’t have to worry about it’s intentions, you don’t have to worry that your social interaction may push the bear over the edge, you don’t have to worry about hurting it’s feelings and risk making it a threat, you don’t have to worry about sending mixed signals, you don’t have to worry about your clothing choice, and you certainly, certainly don’t have to worry about it raping you without witnesses. It simply is a violent threat. You use bear spray and hope you can run far enough, fast enough. You don’t get to make that immediate reaction to a man, between compassion for the innocent, societal pressure to not ostracize men, and legal repercussions if you get it wrong.
It’s not really a thought experiment, though. It’s a hyperbole, a funny way to say women are afraid of the toxic masculinity types.
Are there non human women?
See Pam Bondi.
Every other genus: “We don’t want her either.”
I would have given Kristi Noem as an example. Fun fact: her full name is Kristi Lynn Arnold Noem
Krusty Gnome.
KLAN
I’ve always thought this is such a generalist scenario, meant to deliberately portray all men as dangerous and categorically make them look bad. Imagine we swapped out “men” for another group of people.
If you actually listened to the reasoning that women gave (crazy, right?), they were very clear that with a bear, you know where you stand, but with men, you can’t tell right away whether they’re a danger or pretending to be nice only to be harmful later on.
Any men who get offended by this fact is part of the problem.
It’s kind of a shit take though isn’t it? Animals are potentially dangerous and humans are also potentially dangerous.
The bear will most likely leave you alone if you don’t bother it and so will most humans. No need to bring sexism into it.
Those are the two options?
meant to deliberately portray all men as dangerous
If this were true, wouldn’t it be dead simple for women to just pick the man? It’s interesting that a lot don’t, right?
Swap the word “man” for another group of people based on generic traits and continue your sweeping generalizations.
Oh, race! I love race.
Do you think it would be wrong for a black person to be a little bit nervous about wandering through some small, predominantly white town in middle America? 'Cause I’m gonna be real, I think that’s probably a valid fear.
That’s an excellent analogy. Zooming out from that scenario, should we welcome the notion of being afraid of being afraid of somebody based on their skin color, because there’s an inherent prejudice of them being dangerous? If so, should we be encouraging each other to vocalize these kinds of prejudices? And by extension, is it acceptable to draw sweeping conclusions about a group of people based on their generic traits?
Because most people have a Disneyfied idea of what animals do. Most people think a bear in the woods wears a red t-shirt and carries around a honeypot.
Most species is bear don’t hunt people. You see one, you back away slowly, and you’re good. If there’s food in your, you drop it. They’d rather eat your granola bar than you.
Well, if it’s a black bear, shouting and waving your arms will normally chase it off.
It’s not meant to be a realistic scenario. It’s satire.
So, how does choosing a bear with a honeypot make men look bad?
Uh, it doesn’t? It makes the person choosing the bear look like someone whose life consists of entertainment.
The question always struck me as dumb. Because it doesn’t make any attempt to clarify what geographic region this question takes place.
I don’t care what you’re afraid of a man doing, a polar bear is ALWAYS the worse choice.
But not all bears are as aggressive as polar bears. Some bears will run away from you if you chase them. Some bears will end you if you chase them.
Of coarse you can’t determine how dangerous a man is based on region. But you can likely determine which regions have dangerous bears.
Without wading into all the technicalities, could we perhaps agree that if you have to say, “what kind of bear tho’,” that we are already in troubling territory?
Oh, wow, that is actually a really good point!
Me bringing polar bears into the thought experiment was intended as a (really stupid) joke, but I had nonetheless taking seriously that technically it should matter what kind of bear we are talking about. You’ve demolished that angle with your comment, though!
I would take “worse than a panda” as a compliment, but I understand your point.
It’s ironic we’re dissecting which kind of bear is dangerous, while implicitly accepting the premise that all men are dangerous.
If the dangerous men were as easily distinguishable from the not dangerous ones as bear species, then the answer would be different. Because that’s women’s entire point - you often can’t tell until it’s too late
Has anybody looked into the possibility that we put down all these dangerous creatures before more people get hurt? Better safe than sorry.
That’s not at all what is implied by the thought experiment. It’s not all men, it’s a random man. And it’s not that they are dangerous, it’s about what feels riskier from a woman’s perspective.
That’s why all the fretting over which kind of bear is missing the point. It’s not about arguing with women that they are wrong, it’s about listening to them and understanding that they have no idea whether the man is the sort that would kill them if they say or do or don’t do the right thing — but the odds are sufficient that all men must be treated like a potential threat.
It’s not all men, it’s a random man. And it’s not that they are dangerous, it’s about what feels riskier from a woman’s perspective.
How is that different? It’s still a prejudice based on somebody’s unalterable trait. The entire premise is a deliberate generalization to place men and wild animals into the same category.
Do polar bears occupy habitat that could realistically be called “the woods”?
I always assumed this question was referring to a brown bear - black bears are pussies and polar bears are instadeath. Pandas are adorable, obviously better than meeting a man. Other species are unlikely for most english speaking people to meet in the woods. Brown bears are the only species that make this question interesting.
Where I’m from, you’re just as likely to get a polar bear as a black or brown bear in the woods. So it’s all unrealistic.
A polar bear in the woods? They’re an aquatic mammal that lives on sea ice… Where are you from?
Australia mate. We have no black bears and no polar bears.
a black bear did drop on a hunter and killed it in the news last year.
Would you rather have a man drop on you in the woods or a black bear?
You forgot the Dropbears. Want to reassess relative threat levels of the various species of alpha predator?
Yeah I’d pick a man of a dropbear any day 🐨🩸☠️
It presumes black bear. You’re over thinking it.
Then say a black bear. It presumes nothing.
It’s a stupid thought experiment, though, because I think that woman who chose the bear have not seriously considered the possibility that it might be a polar bear!
(Like, if it’s a regular bear then you are probably fine, but you have to think about the worst case scenario here!)
Wow are you entirely missing the point.
Yeah bro. It’s obviously a grizzly because polar bears are going extinct soon.
My point is that global warming is going to drive them down south, and I don’t think that any of us are prepared for this.
I for one am trying to do my part by correcting one thought experiment at a time!
You didn’t correct it though. You added a random element to an existing thought experiment based on the way the world is as we currently know it. That’s like “correcting” the trolley problem by saying “but what if aliens appeared with a second switch that saved everyone!?”
All I am saying is that if polar bears were wandering around the forests then people might have responded differently.
But having said that, arguably the thought experiment is not meant to be taken too literally in the first place. It is really more like meme mean to be shared and responded to than a serious scientific assessment of the actual risk involved in running across a man versus a bear, especially since the risk posed by the bear depends on the region and what species live there.
But of course, all of this is besides the point, because what is important about the thought experiment is not that so many women choose the bear by that it expresses a collective sentiment of general severe distrust towards men, which came about because enough men have regularly abused their position of strength and power—which, unlike assessments of the relative risk of men versus bears, is definitely backed up by statistics—to impose themselves physically on women, and this is a big societal problem regardless of whether it actually literally makes more sense to prefer running into a bear over a man in the woods.
And just to be clear, I am not criticizing the thought experiment so much as that I love the image of polar bears wandering around in the woods.
Polar bears do not live in the woods
Well then where the fuck do they shit?!?
They rip off your head and shit down your neck.
Only steers and bears?
I think those are the ones that shit on the pope?
Ah so the bears are catholic
I want to believe!
Every single ‘manfluencer’ is a closeted loser who specifically wants to take your money and cause you to be alone and miserable like they are. Every time. They should be openly ridiculed and loathed, and I hope this trend just elicits legal action and ends quickly, and that minimal harm is done to the victims in the process.
I dunno. From my experience, just pretending you’re “all that” is enough to make women and girls go crazy.
Your experience huh?
yeah narcissism can temporarily make one interesting until the other person realizes what they got themself into, thats how people end up in abusive relationships
Since these guys don’t really look for something long term it’s probably not an issue to be exposed as shallow after the act
Yeah, as long as they smash, they win.
Fuck I hate being male sometimes. What swamp do these skeezy sexist MAGA guys crawl out of?
This particular sleaze is definitely male perpetuated and worth calling out. But shittiness knows no gender (or age or ethnicity for that matter.)
Well, he’s right
Of course he is. He’s in IT!
It’s fun being deeply ashamed of your gender because some of us are filth and scum.
These fuckers harm everyone with their actions. Wish we could do something actionable about it.
Okay, I feel like this needs to be addressed as well: this, like, public self-flagellation is not useful either. I have never once been ashamed of being a man.
The problem that men have here is cultural and systemic, it’s expressed with statistics and social norms—it really, really has nothing to do with you or me specifically.
If you’ve already done the work of recognizing that negging women is extremely rude, then you’ve already improved as a person. There’s no reason to be self-loathing about it.
I didn’t say that I was ashamed of myself, I said I was ashamed of men and the association they cast on me.
You’re kinda enabling that behavior by advocating against vocalizing how shitty it is.
Oh, hold on, I am absolutely not against bullying these people mercilessly. I’m probably meaner to them than you are, if I were just guessing.
The thing that I don’t want people to do is treat a cultural critique as if it were a personal one. A lot of the pushback that you’ll see from the fragile male types is just manifested insecurity over the fact that they think they can’t go up and talk to a woman without her splashing her drink in their face. The critique is just describing the currents of the ocean, but they will treat it as if it were a personal attack because what you’re really arguing with is their hurt feelings.
I don’t agree with passing off their behavior as “cultural”. I am ashamed of men because some of them are reprehensible, and some of them want to ignore how reprehensible those ones are or explain it away.
I choose to embrace feeling deeply ashamed at how we’ve allowed the worst of us to form the general opinion of us and vocalize that routinely.
Fuck their insecurities, if they want to be able to go up to a woman without “getting her drink splashed in their face” maybe they should focus harder on fixing the problem so women can generally feel safe with us.
You’d be surprised how many of these guys didn’t vote for Trump. Incels and woman haters exist across the spectrum. What we need is for social media to actually ban this content. But it makes them money.
if it’s any consolation, does make the bar for picking up woman incredibly low, makes it easier for the rest of us i think. just don’t be a complete creep and your at top of the curve
I recently re-entered the dating pool for the first time in a decade and it’s incredible how much attention I get from just appearing clean, having my shit together, and not posting a picture with me holding a fish. Never got so much attention from women before in my life. Had a date in like one week.
The bar is very, very low. I am sorry, ladies out there.
Lots of women who I know and date say “the bar is in hell.” Fr just be a functional adult with good hygiene and emotional intelligence and you are in the top 1%.
and emotional intelligence
Thank you for telling me I’m unfit.
say “the bar is in hell.”
This reads like a joke or an exaggeration, but it’s really there.
I must be doing something wrong then lol
appearing clean
It means he’s attractive.
having my shit together
It means he has money.
If you lack both of these, it’s going to be rough.
Yours is the exact attitude that causes women to flee. Bitterness is not attractive.
I mean, I am 6’3”, have all my hair, and have 20% bodyfat, but there’s no indication of my financial status on my profile. I’m financially independent but I live in a modest house and have a practical, not fancy car. I’d say I’m a fairly normal lanky nerd that’s slightly on the spectrum.
Point is, I feel like an average 50th percentile guy overall, but I’m getting a lot of attention, maybe 90th percentile based on what I read online. Still get ghosted a bunch, but who cares.
I’m friends with several women: no it doesn’t, and no it doesn’t.
Having your shit together means your room doesn’t have a pile of garbage building on the floor. It means you’ve hung up 1 piece of art to make your white walls more interesting. It means your carpet was washed within the last 3 months.
This is honestly better than what I’ve encountered. At least they are trying to attract a woman.
There are types who can both hate a woman’s personality and envy those she likes and hate her for not liking them, all at the same time.
But yes, being male, I’ve been recently inspired by reading about medical advancements in procreation without boys. This will be necessary to counter the population growth on the side of various shmucks and their abused wives.
(I’ve recently learned I have no right to call myself a shmuck since 13 years ago.)
EDIT: Return of the Glassholes
I would be interested in watching the crash reel though. Creeps.
google glasses was to cringey/.
I would watch someone successfully negotiating buying a used car for a good price at a dealer.
See, this is the kind of thing we need those glasses for. Just blur the face and the name tag, alter the voice. Not doxxing anyone. Then show what happened in a non-sexual situation.
But no. People have to use it like perverts.
when the google glasses came out temporarily it was used by perverts immediately.
Eeuww…yikes.
I remember ages ago some show on tv that had a prototype style of these glasses where the person also had to wear a huge backpack and it was like a gotcha style show but it turned out most people just wanted to try and help whoever was wearing the the stuff and I’m rambling.
The show skeeved me out but my parents were like “oh look how bulky it is, you’ll know if someone is using it!” And I tried to articulate yeah, and we use to only have record players and now I have a cd player but they waved it off.
Stomping around annoyed I was right!
