You mean like how a lot of loving, caring folk who welcome everyone despite their differences often call for people to be killed for having a different opinion on Lemmy?
I’ve met overt racists who were more welcoming of members of the race they didn’t like.
North Korea has the files, and are blackmailing Trump with it.
Hackers: You can hack hackers to do the funniest shit in the world, if the Lazarus Group happen to have some unredacted Epstein Files on a computer connected to the net.
“Internet, do your thing 😎😂”
werent like half of the files released already?
yeah, I’m sure they only released the incriminating half, the rest is probably nothing
/s
Yeah, just look at all the arrests… HA!
If you control enough of a given currency you can do whatever the fuck you please.
Yeah, the states have gone to shit ever since they made crime legal (for the rich).
How would we know? But estimates indicate that all the files currently released account for probably less than 1% of what they’re actually is. Of course not all of that will be relevant, quite a lot of it will either be duplications of information we already have or the pool cleaning schedule. But there will be some non-zero proportion that is criminally relevant.
North Korea has the nukes, and any US surface ships within missile range have been sitting ducks for years. Trump is just the only one who can pass off a retreat as a victory.
There’s a relationship between hacking and North Korea, but its not in the direction you’re proposing.
There’s no god damn horse shoe it’s just people don’t understand politics. You can be left wing and you can right wing and still be on authoritative dictator, freedom of expression is separated from social and economic policys.
It’s like saying you can’t be a dictator if you’re religious, it’s an insane comment, and yet somehow people think that it works for political philosophy.
it’s almost like you’re saying both ends of the spectrum can converge on the hows despite diverging on the whys, like they distance from each other in one regard but become closer in another… like the opposite ends of some kind of curved bar, you know?
That’s not even remotely what they’re saying because even the how is expressed differently. Left wing authoritarianism and right wing authoritarianism result in completely different outcomes, so no, even in your bad faith, condescending comment, horse shoe theory does not exist.
that’s just like… your opinion, man.
I’m so confused by the way he ends so many messages with, “Thank you for your attention to this matter.”
Is his brain so thoroughly fried that he can only regurgitate bits of corpo-speak regardless of whether they are applicable?
My headcanon is that someone sent him a letter with that closing 45 years ago and he thought, “That’s a classy way to close a letter,” so now he always uses it when he wants to feel official.
I also tend to read it as conveying the sentiment, “Please pay attention to me because I fear I will die if you stop paying attention to me.”
One thing we know Trump is legitimately good at is manipulating rubes.
“Thank you for your attention to this matter" is actually quite subtle; it’s got “you” and “your attention” in the same sentence, making it feel like he could be talking to you personally rather than as a group (compare e.g. Biden’s common “May God bless you all”).
“Hey, Trump thanked me for my attention, there’s a guy who respects and values my time and opinions, and the fact that he says it in every one of his messages only means that he really does care what I think.”
People at my work sometimes end emails with this phrase. I treat it as a dog whistle and stop respecting them.
I end some correspondance as such. I think its really funny. Sorry if this causes any confusion. I am not a big fan of the current US president.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER!
Lol big difference between doing it to copy him vs being facetious. Thank you for your attention to this matter!
It hurts my head that they were being unironic. I guess people really are like that, though :(
Next time I need to send one of those emails that you have to rewrite 6 times in order to not get fired, I’m going to end it with that.
The way he always signs his tweets, or whatever truth social calls them, that gets me. We know it’s you you idiot, it’s on your account
The guy who posted this tweet supports american imperialism and israel btw
There is no horseshoe.
It’s much better depicted as a 2D plane, a la Political Compass.
Tankies and Fascists have similarities because they’re both hyper-authoritarian, not because being more fascist somehow brings you closer to tankies than your previous close political associations.
capitalists gonna capitalist.
It is not a horseshoe: tankies are just another flavour of far right
how would you describe the far left?
For me, they’re some radical anarchist, especially of the flavour which rejects technology and proposes going back to tribal, gatherer life (not my cup of tea). But any progressive movement with some signs of democracy and true equality is more to left than tankies. Of course, I do admit that sometimes there is a need for authority – like in the paradox of tolerance, the problem with free speech etc.
Unsurprising that ShitLibs just look at the surface of something and decide it’s the same as something else because of surface similarities. They confuse billionaire owned media for unbiased sources, so it’s no wonder they can’t tell the tactics of siege communism from they way Fascism imports the tactics of control from the colonies by calling both things “authoritarianism”.
Siege communism, this is a thing you said for real.
It’s not something I said.
This is where trump is objectively right and liberals have gotten mad they cant spill more korean blood.
Donald Trump has been appointed new administrator of lemmy.ml.
Oh my god the /r/pyongyang jokes from 15 years ago are just reality now.
At least they don’t make hidden blocklists to shadownban dissenting opinions. They just dunk on you publicly.
You have been banned from Lemmy.ml
It’s crazy to call that dunkimg on somebody. It’s the equivalent to having to get rid of a houseplant because your idiot trembling chihuahua is scared of it and pisses on the floor whenever it sees it.
I have a great Modlog, probably the best Modlog in the fediverse. People look at my Modlog and ask: How do you do it sir? That’s a beautiful Modlog you have there. My ballroom is gonna be beautiful too.
why do you say this
ML stands for Marxist-Leninist, but in practice it stands for kissing the ass of the dictators in China, Russia and North Korea.
I am marxist leninist, I support lifting sanctions on North Korea, am I a tankie?
“Wow what a riposte, really roasted that guy. Totally shut down his critique of AES by totally ignoring it and deflecting back to Amerikkka” –Every ml user in every conversation ever
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Original post: trump incorrectly claims a country that constantly launches missiles towards neighbors and had the world’s most recent nuclear bomb test is unthreatening and respectful, in part because he likes Kim Jong Un
Top level comment: wow trump has ml user rhetoric
Comment you replied to: yes, ml users hold irrational NK views in the same line as trump’s tweet
You: wHaT aBoUt [USA] SaNcTiOnS??
Nobody was talking about anything related to sanctions, let alone supporting them. You’ve been trying to drop this non sequiter all over the comment section. In your mind, every geopolitical conversation MUST be directed towards pwning the westoids; any opposition to USA hegemony absolves an actor of defects. That is what makes you a tankie.
Look, I dont even care about the tankie label
I know liberals have this ilk of bloodlust, imperialist wars and military aggression. Its not far fetched to think they would support sanctions on DPRK
I thought it was the national domain of the Metherlands…???
The Metherlands? That’s my new go to for the Missouri boot heel?
lol, I always thought it stands for machine learning
meth learning.
which are all right wing countries by the way, thats why they mirror conservatives.
They’re auth. left-right is the economic style
“Far left”
“Tankie”
Choose one
The left-right spectrum makes less sense to me by the day.
However, I personally define tankies as authoritians who do some mental gymnastics to think that a benevolent “socialist” dictatorship equates to control of society by the workers. (It obviously doesn’t. A dictatorship by a minority is exactly that)
Anyone who defines North Korea as socialist needs to reconsider their political positions, in my opinion.
Just because they’re in opposition to the capitalist South Korea and the worst imperialist nation in the world, the USA, doesn’t mean you need to stand behind the North Korean regime…
All the cool socialists think campism is brainrot (my opinion)
The problem with any political label is that they’re outdated by the time you define them.
The tankies describe themselves as such.
To not be associated with them, more actual far-left adherents need to actively disavow the tankies.
Sorry, that doesn’t play into the both-sides false-equivalency rhetoric. Please delete this comment.
Tankies:
Edit: actually i think i wouldn’t put them exactly in that X axis position, i am sleepy so ain’t gonna try to understand well their exact position so that’s good enough
you use political compass in big 26.
You can be left and authoritarian. At least outside of the US you can, in America all politics get squashed into a single binary choice, so it seems weird.
You can also be left and be right, and dumb and wise, and black and white, all simultaneously! Up is down, back is forwards, authoritarian is left!
No, left is against hierarchy
anarchism isnt the only branch of left, similarly how libertarianism isnt the only branch of right. You guys are too confident for associating yourself with a vastly non existent ideology
No, left is socialist (in the broad sense, opposed to individualism)
* Anarchism has entered the chat*
Yea just gonna full sail disagree with you on this claim.
Many types of anarchism fit under the socialist umbrella
Yes, I agree, which would disagree with the other comment’s point that socialism inherently opposes individualism.
Interesting. Where/when are they not opposed?
Edit: Noting that I didn’t mean that they are mutually exclusive outside of social structure… You can take individual actions in a socialist society. The question is just around which is the core principle of the organisation of society.
Edit 2: to me anarchy isn’t inherently individualistic, it is just opposed to power-over social structures. You can have a voluntary socialism. Look at Chiapas, for instance.
As much as i know, anarchy is not indivualist since the entire point of anarchism should be that the community works togheter to do stuff
It’s not a binary. I’m against hierarchal class structures but I still think we need specialists making rules about shit like environmental protection.
Schrödinger’s political chessboard
I thought libertarians were against hierarchy
We have nothing against hierarchy as long as everybody agrees who is in charge and why and nobody is coerced into it.
Tankies are what happens when you go all the way left and all the way up into Authoritarianship
end up being right wing. authoritarian in nature is often conservative leaning.
Right wing and left wing are economic labels communism and capatalism. Right wing people tend to cluster towards the authoritarian side of the authority and liberty scale but so do left wingers.
Yeah but right wing in tankie states were called the nomenclature, the old guard
We clearly are having a communication issue here. Right wing has meant pro-capitalism for over 200 years
mint > meant I blame speech to text.
The distinction between left and right wing comes from the French Revolution. Everyone who wanted to keep the King lined up on the right. Everyone who wanted to try sonething new lined up on the left. Leftism is certainly inherently anti-monarchical, and I would argue also inherently anti-hierarchical. Tankies are right-wing communists; that’s why left wing communists tend to disagree with them.
right wing is support of capitalism left wing is support of Communism You’re not going to change the definition by selectively copy pasting the answer that you got by googling the definition of left right spectrum. You are conflating conservatism with capitalism they are two separate human conditions.
I can also copy paste from Google
Conservatism is a social and political philosophy focused on preserving traditional values, social order, and established institutions. Capitalism is an economic system based on private ownership, market competition, and profit. While often closely allied in modern politics, they represent distinct concepts that can sometimes conflict
I do want to stress that I’m not calling you stupid. I’m just trying to let you know that the words you are using do not mean what you think they mean.
Leftism is certainly inherently anti-monarchical
These words mean five different things to four different people, but I’ll bite. Was the Meiji restoration ‘left’ or ‘right’?
lenin was anti left-com, its ideology of twitter kids.
Almost like the throughline is authoritarianism. They like it when they have control but they don’t like it when who they don’t like has control.
Honestly, it feels like those with lower iq and less ability to inform themselves are the ones that love authoritarianism. They can’t form a coherent ideology and devolve into just trying to control everyone to their underdeveloped beliefs.
That’s where the whole bullshit idea of horseshoe theory comes from. It’s people leaving out the authoritarian axis because it’s beneficial to divide actual leftists and make us seem crazy.
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Where did I say that it isn’t?
Coming in with the Straw-Man Argument, it’s beanburger!!!
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I forgot everyone on lemmy is a fucking moron, my bad
You speaking for yourself on the matter?
Fair enough. That can be hard to recognize, let alone admit.
why do you oppose lifting sanctions on north korea - which is a nation that is one of the biggest victim of US imperialism?
Liberals are just imperialists.
Comply with international law and open up and I’d probably be for lifting them.
Just like I’m for removing sanctions on Cuba.
Just like I’m for imposing sanctions on Israel.
Just like I’m for imposing sanctions on my own imperialist country that’s bombing and invading the rest of the world.
And let’s point out too that it’s not the US alone who has sanctions on NK like we do on Cuba. The UN Security Council consistently votes against the Cuba sanctions. They don’t on NK sanctions. Russia and China are part of that council too with veto power, but it’s unanimois. So 🤷♂️
What I would be for, actually, is a better way to affect beneficial change and avoid harming civilians. Sanctions themselves disproportionately affect normal civilians through food and medical shortages, etc, while the political elite can avoid them.
We’re agreed though, liberals, especially neoliberal capitalists, are imperialists. And we’re feeling that imperial boomerang come back around to us finally.
Ok you are alright in this regard
I however disagree heavily with your assertion on “authoritarianism”, because I am a marxist leninist.
Every anti “authoritarian” tendency of socialism (moreso sceintific socialism i.e. marxism) is reactionary and idealist in itself.
So because of your political ideologies you are just going to hand wave aside authoritarianism, neat. What a load of trash.
We need the a Dictatorship of Proletariat to resist imperialism from outside and counter revolution from inside. In liberal terms that would be called authoritarianism, it could be ugly but its the reality and path we need to take.
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Comment you’re replying to never said any of that.
Why is far left trademarked?..
Satire
Antifa LLC owns the trademark
I more and more think that there is just one dimension starting by authoritarian and ending with social.
Faschistst, Tankies, free market libertarians, autocrats and feudalists, are just authoritarians in with different origins. Their team should be in power, their team should be supported by everyone, while they profit from it.
While social people want nobody to suffer, everyone to be in power and have self a determination, etc.
True free market libertarians are anti authoritarian. US free market libertarians are always happy to have tax cuts, subsidies, tariffs, regulatory oversight etc. So long as it benefits them.
There no such thing as a free market. It’s a constant tug of war between corporate consolidation and government/public power preventing monopoly and abuse. Removing the public power just leaves corporations unchecked and able to control the market itself.
I don’t think ‘true free market libertarians’ exist. They only want free market because it benefits them at the specific time or circumstances they want it.
They do exist. But not in the real business world.
There are economists that argue (with academic justification) that fewer frictions increase growth. But they usually ignore topics like human rights, environmental impacts, inequality etc.
Why did you use the stethoscope instead of the actual left right auth liberty axes?
Ah yes. The Nazis to the left of Fascism with Hitler on their left flank.
A different kind of satire, I guess.
and the well known Libertarian Socialist Christopher Hitchens
Nazism adopted aspects of socialism, its just the Reich decided only certain groups were allowed to participate, while certain other groups were heavily persecuted stolen from, and murdered by the state. So on the Left Right scale yes they are slightly to the left of absolute right because of the social programs and redistribution of stolen wealth and land and the fact that while private ownership remained mostly intact private business was still guided and controlled by the state to facilitate the wartime economy. I’m not calling them socialists, just fascists that stole a few ideas from the socialists and implemented them in ways that would strengthen and benefit the german state, and pacify the remaining approved groups of approved peoples. It seems your conflating left right (communism - capitalism) with Authority and Liberty.
https://www.theholocaustexplained.org/life-in-nazi-occupied-europe/economic-policy/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_People's_Welfare
Though TBF If I had made this graphic myself i’d probably have expanded the Nazism area to overlap with the Fascism square
The graphic also has my old professor on it as a notable figure, which is also comical. I wouldn’t take it seriously at all.
Most people who try to describe their enemy “the left” have about as much brain matter as JFK
I was really expecting you to say RFK with that worm business and all, but either work.
Flimsy excuse to post one of my favorite images
Man, when you look at it that way seems the whole family is cursed
Just their central nervous system, really. Everything else is or was tip-top.
JFK Jr: scrambled when he decided to push his flying skills beyond their limit, killing himself, his wife, and his sister-in-law.
What a pedo rapist little bitch trump is
why do you support subjugating north korea to brutal sanctions?
Oh yeah. Now that I reread it that IS what they said 🙄
you seem to be mad
Nah. I was just bored and waking up.
read lenin dude.
Don’t you have some red team atrocities to equivocate?
what?
Why are you trying to protect a pedophile?
who?
Because NK is a shitty country with a tankie Hitler.
when are we sanctioning israel, usa and other terrorist european nations?
That’s the part I don’t like, yeah, Israel, USA and Ukraine should get sanctioned too, along with lots of USA ballsuckers as the UK.
yeah its easy to say those countries should be sanctioned because it will never happen. What is possible tho is to advocate for lifting sanctions from DPRK, more realistic goal
