The republican party will never strive for energy independence when Big Oil lines their pockets. If we replaced corn grown for ethanol subsidies with solar we could power the whole country.
Was this written by LLM or am I starting to get paranoid? Do real people write “Let’s break it down …”
90s rappers did
WooooaaahhhAAAAAOOOOaaaaooooaaaaooowwwwaoooo. Stop.
Yeah, none of that is true. All that is the propaganda to get people to believe that MAGA is a serious solution to society’s problems, but the truth is that MAGA’s real foundational tenets are treason, corruption, racism, bigotry, misogyny, xenophobia, violence, incompetence, and pedophilia.
“You must have a valid ID to vote”
Actually you don’t. Read the Constitution.
Fun fact - Courts have pretty consistently ruled that, as it stands now, requiring an ID to vote is an illegal poll tax since you have to pay money to get an ID. They’ve also consistently ruled that if IDs were given out to citizens for free then requiring one to vote wouldn’t be a poll tax. Republicans have opposed every effort to make ID free despite also pushing hard for requiring an ID to vote.
IDs are paid? wtf, they are free for your first one in brazil and all mandatory reissues are also free, you also get a free one time reissue in case you lose yours, after that you have to pay for reissueing it
They won’t. Try and convince them that the current act of “deporting” people is not constitutional or the actual definition of deporting. They don’t care. Identity politics cannot let them change their mind y because they would have to change their identity.
1,2 ,4, 5, 6 and 9 seem completely at odds with the administration and party that he supports. That’s over half his bullet points.
He’s not very bright. Another funny recent development with him is that he separated from his wife back in September over financial issues, but as of a few weeks ago, they are back together because they both realize that separate they are financially bankrupt so they are staying together for a paycheck. And don’t feel bad for his wife. She is just as evil and manipulative of a bitch as he is.
3 really tells you everything you need to know about him. Namely that he doesn’t understand that the thing he’s fighting against is in fact not happening. Non citizens already cannot vote that has always been the case.
we can see thier problem there, being so focused on being a magat 100% and not your own jobs/finding is the problem. thats why republicans prey on the jobless and the less educated.
It sucks when you work with and have to play nice with some of the worst people you know.
Yes it is and he is just one of many people who are this way. I do find it funny to just listen to them melting down over the midterms.
Of course.
The fascist foot soldier is, at value Level, at odds with fascist leadership. That’s why it is not very productive to view this relationship as a political affiliation: IT IS A CULT.
The Leader can do whatever and his mouth pieces try to spin it for the masses.
The new priest class, influencers of the fascist cult, are the real threat, since their job is to sell the cult and somehow the people educated by Western Schools are en masse unprepared for this kind of Mass Manipulation, so the Leader can be above the values of the cultists.
almost like they’re all inveterate liars and should be maimed and ridiculed as the opportunity presents itself.
also like two and a half of the remaining points are transphobia. it doesn’t believe in hate, except for the people it hates most.
“Well, let us allocate some funds to help every veteran then”.
“No, that would be socialism”.
Calling yourself MAGA and claiming it’s not about Trump is quite a stretch.
they are expert at mental gymnasitcs reality distortion filters.
Very true it will be very interesting when Trump does die how this person and all of his cult members will take it. It will be quite the day.
While I’d be interested in how they deal with the “loss”, investigation of the issue will likely have to wait a week until I get over the massive hangover. Around these parts, the party on that glorious long-awaited day will be absolutely unreal. There’ll be fucking in the streets.
Oh yea it will be full Jonestown shit I think.
no you don’t understand! I’m not into Hitler, I’m just a volkish occultist! its totally different, guys! why do you still not like me? guys we can build death camps without hate! its totally possible!
- After WWII one of the whole reasons behind the European Union was that the countries in Europe should be interdependent. Why? Because when you’re interdependent it’s a lot harder to go to war. Europeans realized they were strongest when they were part of an alliance, not when they were standing alone. Interdependence isn’t the same thing as dependence. The Germans found that out when they realized they depended on Russia for natural gas supplies, but Russia didn’t really need them. It’s probably not a good thing how much the US depends on production in China, but that doesn’t mean that all manufacturing should be done in the US and the US should be an isolated island. That leads to weakness. Look at North Korea, for example.
- The US is the furthest thing possible from an empty cup. The US is incredibly wealthy and powerful. It was easily able to donate food aid to the poorest places in Africa without hurting Americans at all. In fact, this was a major subsidy for American farmers. In exchange, there was a lot of goodwill towards the US in Africa. The best African scholars wanted to study in American universities, and often to move to the US and provide the US with their talents. Now they’re going other places. And, if you’re going to prioritize your own people, you should actually do something for your own people. Prioritizing your own people isn’t tax cuts for the rich, which is the MAGA agenda. Maybe the reason it felt like an “empty cup” to some people is that the richest of the rich have been getting obscenely rich while the poorer just keep getting poorer, but that’s the MAGA agenda.
- The election process is secure. Illegal immigrants can’t and don’t vote. In some places legal immigrants can vote in city and state elections… and why not? They’re here legally, they pay taxes. Why shouldn’t they also get a vote? The idea that illegal immigrants vote or that elections are insecure is just MAGA propaganda. Occasionally people have been found to have been voting illegally, but it’s often Republicans. Trump voted many times in places he didn’t live, but nobody on the right raised a stink about that. But, this happens in small enough numbers that it very rarely has any effect.
- Sure, veterans should be taken care of. Both parties failed there. Just look how hard Jon Stewart fought to get 9/11 victims health care problems covered by the government. It’s more typically the republicans who cut off aid to veterans because they hate the idea of anybody getting government benefits. And, again, the US can take care of US veterans and take care of the poorest and least well off in the world. And, often, that benefits the US. When the US spends money fighting the spread of Ebola in Africa, that means it’s less likely that someone will travel to the US and spread it there.
- I don’t think most people are fans of illegal immigration. But, it’s incredibly difficult to stop. The only realistic way is to turn the country into a police state. Even Trump didn’t go that far, he only went after the dark-skinned people who might be here illegally. But, that’s going to miss any light-skinned illegal immigrant. Of course, most people would say that’s the point. It was really more about race than about illegal immigration. In any case, most people who are in the US illegally aren’t the ones crossing the southern border. They’re people who arrive on a plane and then overstay their visa. It’s very difficult to track them down. Having said that, most people in the US illegally work extremely hard and are never going to get any of the benefits that legal residents have. No social security, no medicare, etc. They are almost always net contributors to society, often because they have to send money back home. They do jobs that Americans wouldn’t do, at least for that wage. Also, it would be a lot easier to crack down on illegal immigration if they actually prosecuted business owners who hired illegal immigrants. Too many business owners are effectively cheating the country by hiring someone who doesn’t have the right to work in the US, then exploiting them knowing they have no real options, and raking in profits because they don’t have to pay payroll taxes, healthcare, or any other benefits to someone working illegally. Those are the people who should get prosecuted. If they were being prosecuted and were afraid to hire illegal immigrants, there would be a lot fewer people wanting to stay because finding work would be so hard.
- Great. Now shut up about it too?
- You say that, but you wouldn’t say that when someone passes as the other gender. If someone who was born a woman but now has a thick beard and a deep voice goes into a women’s bathroom, you’d be the first one screaming about it.
- Schools are for learning, and the only people interfering with the curriculum are Republicans.
- The US has mental health issues, so do most countries. The US is worse off because there’s no safety net. People worry about healthcare because it isn’t automatic. They worry about retirement because the system is broken. They worry about their own safety because of all the guns and violence. The US should address its mental health crisis, but that will require the government spending a lot of money, and traditionally MAGA people somehow want this problem solved, but don’t want to pay for it.
- Guns are the problem. Every other country regulates them for a reason. Of course background checks are a good idea. But, that’s not enough. Does someone who is granted permission for a gun need to go for a re-evaluation every year? Are MAGA people really going to accept the word of a government official about who passes the background check? Are MAGA people really going to support checking the home of someone who has never had a background check to ensure they don’t have guns? Somehow I think this is a smokescreen.
As for just wanting a government that protects your rights, secures your borders, defends your freedoms and then gets out of the way, what about point 1? Should the government get out of the way and allow free trade between countries, or should it be policing what’s going in and out? Should it be spending money to prop up American companies so that they can compete with foreign companies? If American companies are making shitty computer chips for $100 when Taiwan is making great ones for $10, there will be a huge black market for the much better Taiwanese product. So, are you going to spend a lot of tax money ensuring that no Taiwanese chips get into the US, or are you going to get out of the way and allow people the freedom to buy what they want from wherever makes it cheapest? Are you going to eliminate all farm subsidies? That’s the government getting out of the way, and then the US becomes dependent on food being grown elsewhere. Or, are you going to pay for subsidies out of tax dollars to ensure that Americans are eating American-grown food?
What about point 2 and 4? You seem to also want a government that takes care of veterans and Americans. Which is it? Is the government supposed to take care of Americans, or just get out of the way? Also, does getting out of the way mean that Americans get scammed and the government does nothing about it? Does it mean that foods and medicines aren’t inspected? Does it mean that the stock market is unregulated and Ponzi schemes are rampant? Or, is some regulation good?
What about 7? You also want a government that polices bathrooms.
What about 8? You want a government that ensures that schools don’t teach students something that you find offensive.
What about 9? Do you want the government treating the mental health crisis or not?
What about 10? Is the government going to do background checks, and ensure that anybody who hasn’t passed a background check doesn’t have guns? Or, is it the status quo where even the mentally ill have the freedom to shoot stuff?
Also, how much do you want to spend securing the borders? It used to be about 0.1% of GDP, now it’s 1%. Should it be 10%? 20%? Whatever you spend, some people will slip through. It’s impossible to completely eliminate illegal immigration. And, it’s not just the poors. Elon Musk violated the immigration rules. At what point are you spending so much to fight illegal immigration that you’re just wasting money? Is the 85 billion being spent on ICE really money well spent? And, aside from spending, do you want the government to ensure your freedom, or police the country for illegal immigrants? Even if you spend 1 year of the US GDP to build a perfectly secure wall at the Mexican border, you’re still going to have people coming in legally on a tourist visa or something and then just not going home on time. So, to catch those people are you going to have checkpoints spread throughout the state where people have to present their papers? That’s going to catch some of those illegal immigrants, but that’s going to conflict pretty strongly with merely defending your freedom and getting out of the way.
Copy and pasted because they’re always incapable of having an original thought. Always regurgitating some shitass fox and friends talking point.
Even the copied and pasted points themselves are just random culture war propaganda repeated with extra verbiage. They’re like reflecting mirrors - just adding another thin surface positioned to give a false illusion of depth.
You say that as if its not also most of lemmy
When someone gets convinced that a problem is real and big, they are probably going to mention that problem when listing what they want changed, when someone gets convinced an argument is good, they are going to say it when its applicable
What is bro yapping? I ain’t reading allat.
They didnt even write it. It’s copy pasted.
conservatives love typing a wall of text, that they dont even understand, its probably during hate fueled trance, they dont remember writing on thier phones.
So in regards to points 2 and 4, does that mean he’s against the war in Iran and and the Isreali genocide of Palestinians? And said money and support should be shifted to social programs for the people like the VA and Medicare?
No he is all for war. His own words are to kill everyone in Iran, Ukraine, and Palestine. He supports the vets even though he has never served he just cosplays as a military soldier. All of his clothes have some pro military pro American bs on it.
So the dumbass doesn’t even know what he’s posting.
Yep pretty much.
Also. This is interesting.
My theory is that US Republicans, in aggregate, operate more on loyalty, an urge to derive norms from a “tribe,” at least more than the average Democrat. That intersects with Christians and some other demographic groups where that might already be inscribed into their upbringing. It’s reflected in the language they use “I stand with Trump. I am with him.”
A perceived large majority rejecting their “tribe” cracks that belief.
That would invoke a subconscious feeling they are suddenly “on the wrong side.” That insecurity is serious, as the whole premise is social acceptance from unity, whether it’s seen that way or not.
And that’s why the Facebook post comes off as so insecure. They are feeling insecure, from peer pressure on a national scale.
It’s just a musing, but it fits my observations so far
And what’s ironic is that this perception is irrational, too. In absolute terms, it was still 55%-57% Democrat vs 40%-43% Republican in terms of popular vote. Only a few seats and states flipped. Thats not a huge majority, statistically.
Yet it clearly feels like one to the coworker in the Facebook post.
The level of tribalism in the US is amazing.
I’m reasonably sure that loyalty is indoctrinated very early in a child’s life to ensure that tribalism persists from generation to generation. That loyalty is absolute and it is what a person builds into their identity: “I’m American. I’m [state]. I’m Red/Blue…”
No matter what actions the tribe takes if they offend your own morals then your morals are wrong.
I’m reasonably sure that loyalty is indoctrinated very early in a child’s life to ensure that tribalism persists from generation to generation. That loyalty is absolute and it is what a person builds into their identity
We’ve had 50 years of conservative talk radio and 30 years of Fox News.
- most of the msms were never discussing left leaning politics, its mostly right wing and alot of copaganda based films and shows(includes similarly militaryganda, its to reinforce male hierarchy, mostly straight and christian in one form or another), or center right. they never dare say anything about “not honoring the troops”.
And daily pledges of allegiance at school (which is the indoctrination I was alluding to) and, frankly scary, hero worship of the military.
Americans are absolutely cream filled with tribalism. even when they become ‘communists’ or ‘anarchists’ it still tends to feel tribal faschy and awful. it makes organizing them high impossible to do without lying.
Fully respect your response. The thing with this coworker is he is 100% Trump supporter to the end. Nothing will ever shake his belief in him. I know for a fact if Trump ever made the order to kill anyone who isn’t white, he would 100% do it he is very selfish and arrogant, and only thinks of himself. I truly do hate this person and pray for his eventual downfall. He does have a lot of personal issues going on that. I am always happy to hear about. I don’t know if that makes me a bad person or not, but he is a genuinely terrible person as a quick sidenote he has a son in elementary school who is deaf and he absolutely refuses to do anything with him saying that there is no point because of his disability he is just going to grow up to be gay and woke and he fully is on board with cutting him off once he turns 18.
The propaganda radicalizes them by exploiting their tribal instincts.
Christians are raised from birth to not cultivate their critical thinking skills because critical thought leads to people leaving the church.
The vast majority of Republicans are Christian ideologues who have no ability to think for themselves. They defer their thinking to the church and to political leaders. This leads to a population that believes determining truth is a matter of proclamation rather than observation.
In short, conservatism is politics for stupid, gullible people.
some do escape thier ultra conservative bubble, its usually it becomes to hostile for the said young person to subscribe to it, or they see evidence that contradicts what Christianity provides. Some is raised religiously, but semi- seperated for it, until maga came along and they fell right back into it.
it’s extremely tribal herd behavior. I could respect these fucking monsters if they were just pure pack predators, but they’re not.
If I had a chance to speak to this gentleman I would tell him I do not believe him. He votes against most of these values, and the only reasons I can see to ignore all his stated desires/values is malice, or perhaps sadism.
Some of those points are fine, but what we are getting from the federal government is looting of taxpayer money, violence, and high prices due to terrible economic and foreign policy.
Conservatives try to sound reasonable and logical, but pay attention to what those in power actually do.
Stupid is and stupid does sir!
It’s funny how they always act like people don’t understand them, and that their opinions are actually really straightforward to understand. But they don’t get that it’s the insinuations and passive-aggressive shit between the lines that people have a problem with.
Take for example their comments on same sex marriage. This whole “people can do what they like, I let God decide” is so weasely-worded. These are the same people who are hell-bent on rescinding gay marriage rights. And on top of that, the withering judgement is right there. He’s basically saying “people can do what they like, but IT’S AN ABOMINATION TO GOD AND IT’S DESTROYING SOCIETY AND I WILL NOT REALLY ACCEPT IT AS REAL MARRIAGE!!”
Am I reading too much into this specific commented point? Maybe.
Have I seen this exact same sentiment and hypocrisy play out with every socially-strict conservative I’ve discussed this with (probably a couple of dozen of them over the years)? Definitely.
