In the USA liberal is the term used to describe progressives.
No we don’t. We use that to describe democrats who pretend to lean left while being conservative in all but name. Actual progressives get called other things like anarchists, dirty commies, or unamerican.
Do I get tired of the majority deciding what words mean? Not really. That’s how language has always worked, and the only way it can work as far as I can tell.
This person is right. It’s a fact. You and your circles may not use it that way, and that’s correct… But that doesn’t change what the common understanding is.
Expressing socialism in the USA is already hard. It’s harder when people are angry at anyone because they aren’t using the words you want.
Eh. If you’re in the know, then yes, you’re correct, but your average American probably doesn’t even understand that there’s any distinction at all, and so for those people “liberal” is the catch-all term for progressives.
If someone who actually understands politics calls me a liberal, I’m gonna protest. If my dumbfuck uncle calls me a liberal, I’ll let it lie, because that’s as close as he’s reasonably going to get to understanding my political views.
progressives understand the difference, not our fault the rest of the nation is uneducated,fuck it’s their fault schools are underfunded and refuse to learn
Like class, political philosophy is tied to who owns things. Who controls the means of production.
“Progressive” is a meaningless term for those who think capitalism can be reformed, but think enough activity can make neoliberalsim not do what capitalism always does, accumulate for the private holders.
Basically in the Midwest anyone who is not conservative/GOP is called liberal. From center to Marx himself, all libs. It is confusing being on Lemmy where classic liberalism is used.
Yeah, cause that’s how those on the right view anyone left of them. The Overton Window has shifted way too far right that both capitalist neoliberals and socialists get called liberal socialists by the right despite that literally being an oxymoron.
Neo-liberalism as well. The foundation of discussion of politics is so uprooted it takes an entire other discussion to explain and use proper terminology.
No we don’t. We use that to describe democrats who pretend to lean left while being conservative in all but name. Actual progressives get called other things like anarchists, dirty commies, or unamerican.
That may be true for you, but not most Americans. Your corporeal body may exist in the US, but you live online.
Hey dude, right here with you. So many arm chair revolutionaries online.
People so stuck on a single meaning of a word, completely ignoring the facts.
Words have multiple meanings sometimes. Whether that’s cultural or just from misuse. Doesn’t matter.
The majority gets to decide so many things for you. You ever get tired of that?
Do I get tired of the majority deciding what words mean? Not really. That’s how language has always worked, and the only way it can work as far as I can tell.
I’m talking about this part doofus:
I don’t let the shit the dumbest people in the country do determine what’s right for me, except perhaps as a negative example.
Why are you being mean? Why are you angry?
This person is right. It’s a fact. You and your circles may not use it that way, and that’s correct… But that doesn’t change what the common understanding is.
Expressing socialism in the USA is already hard. It’s harder when people are angry at anyone because they aren’t using the words you want.
Don’t forget the most damning and horrific title of “socialist”
Eh. If you’re in the know, then yes, you’re correct, but your average American probably doesn’t even understand that there’s any distinction at all, and so for those people “liberal” is the catch-all term for progressives.
If someone who actually understands politics calls me a liberal, I’m gonna protest. If my dumbfuck uncle calls me a liberal, I’ll let it lie, because that’s as close as he’s reasonably going to get to understanding my political views.
progressives understand the difference, not our fault the rest of the nation is uneducated,fuck it’s their fault schools are underfunded and refuse to learn
You don’t actually understand the difference.
Like class, political philosophy is tied to who owns things. Who controls the means of production.
“Progressive” is a meaningless term for those who think capitalism can be reformed, but think enough activity can make neoliberalsim not do what capitalism always does, accumulate for the private holders.
Basically in the Midwest anyone who is not conservative/GOP is called liberal. From center to Marx himself, all libs. It is confusing being on Lemmy where classic liberalism is used.
Yeah, cause that’s how those on the right view anyone left of them. The Overton Window has shifted way too far right that both capitalist neoliberals and socialists get called liberal socialists by the right despite that literally being an oxymoron.
Neo-liberalism as well. The foundation of discussion of politics is so uprooted it takes an entire other discussion to explain and use proper terminology.
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