Not another accidental Nazi salute! These clumsy Nazis keep accidentally throwing that Nazi salute around completely by mistake!
Don’t you hate it when you accidentally do the Nazi salute when you’re a nazi?
Just a little Freudian slip. Nothing to look out for!
it’s the autism bro. bannon is like totally aspie
And every conservative in America is silent.
Silence is complicity.
No more excuses. No more feigned ignorance.
Silent? They’re cheering.
Not @[email protected]
DotBut looking over that accounts short history, it looks like a troll.
This was in the same speech where he said that the Holy Spirit was working through Trump to do all of this, and that Trump should have a third term and beyond.
It’s becoming obvious that we should be treating Trumpism as a religious cult, not just a political movement.
And here I thought Steve had seen the light because he spoke out against some of the stuff Trump was doing but I guess that orange dick is just too good to take out of their butts/mouths.
“Apparent”
Chickenshit Nazi enablers.
Atleast it’s actually being called that now
So at this point, the leaders of both major political wings of MAGA have openly done the fascist salute.
Maga America needs to be denazified.
MAGA Americans need to cease to exist.
You and what army?
Don’t need an army to punch a pussy-ass fascist. Fuck off Nazi.
Gonna need to do a lot more than just punching pussy-ass fascists. Why don’t you go ahead and peacefully occupy a sidewalk that Nazi oligarchs never walk on, or maybe do an interpretive dance while you’re at it. If you think the rise of fascism can be stopped with punching pussy-ass fascists then you’re clearly not taking the situation seriously enough. Where’s your gun?
Hopefully the same army that took care of fascists the last time they crawled out from under their rocks.
There’s no Red Army to save us this time.
The National Guard, hopefully.
The real headline should be “CPAC audience cheers Bannon’s Nazi salute”, because they totally did, and it leaves no doubt that CPAC is full of Nazis.
He knows his audience, that’s for certain.
There were cheers, but I think I also detected some shouts of anger. I’m not going to write off an entire audience.
They were sitting down in a room in which the speaker gave a nazi salute. They did not leave when it became apparent that he would not be ejected.
I mean, they also intentionally planned ahead to be in the same room with Bannon in the first place, to give him attention and listen to whatever “good” news he had to say.
Any sounds of people getting angry at the salute should only illustrate the incredible ignorance we’re dealing with in this country. Blame it on stupidity, or hate, or indoctrination & conditioning, whatever you want. It’s all accurate to certain degrees depending on the individual.
It’s not exactly the same as Musk’s (doesn’t thump his heart first) – which is probably the point. Trying to sneak in more completely implausible “plausible deniability.” Nobody’s fooled. It looks like a duck, it’s a duck.
I agree mostly but #1 and #5 just look like a sideways wave. I don’t think it’s a duck and shouldn’t be thrown in as a duck when there’s 5 other pictures that very much look like a duck
he didn’t cover it though. that cunt from fox news was more savvy about it. this guy just did the salute but didn’t grunt like a fucking troglodyte.
Arm up, folks. Nazis don’t go away peacefully.
Nah I think peacefully occupying a sidewalk that oligarchs never walk on or care about even maintaining is the best idea, we should keep doing that for 40 more years, that’ll work!
Can’t you just change your avatar to something?
It’s almost like the capitalist media has completely normalized and apologized for fascism.
And even when reporting on it they link to the neo-Nazi site X for the video.
I don’t think this one is nearly as obvious as Musk’s, and I feel like blowing something like this up makes us look bad and will only further them doing sarcastic, vague gestures “as a joke” until it gets normalized more.
My favorite song by the Dead Kennedys is “Nazi Punks Will Go Away on Their Own So Don’t Make a Big Deal About It”
Stop making excuses for fascists.
This is Steve Bannon performing a poor man’s Nazi salute so he can claim plausible deniability later.
He even responds with a smile when the crowd cheers him doing it.
Stop making excuses for fascists. Unless you are one…
it is very obvious. he isn’t waving, he isn’t pointing at anything, he isn’t emphasizing or illustrating anything because he’s not even talking when he does it. there’s a bunch of things you might be doing that can be screen grabbed to look like a salute. but the video is clear, he’s just doing a salute.
It could be a trap, where we make a big deal about it and they claim they’re “joking” each time and then it gets normalized. But the alternative is preemptively normalizing it by buying into the plausible deniability. There’s no ‘winning’ move, I’d rather call him a fucking Nazi
Apparent? Shut the fuck up.
Throwing in the word “apparent” is cowardly, but it’s also a lot cheaper than being sued for libel by a fucking billionaire.
Nah. Getting sued for libel is what these outlets should be absolutely proud to have sent their way. That’s literally a news story in itself. It would also means he’d actually have to defend it instead of posting Nazi puns on Twitter.
So at what point of doing something does it actually become the thing that it was?
Seems pretty obvious to me.
From a legal point of view it hasn’t been tried in a court of law, which is why words like “apparently” and “allegedly” are used.
By that logic, it would impossible to report on literally anything.
That is literally what happens in US news when the subject involves a criminal offence or could be considered defamation.
Yes. It’s impossible to report objectively on capitalists with enough control to sue. This has been shown again and again.
Yet here they are, reporting on it.
Badly.
Less than perfectly, due to the constraints of the system they are forced to operate within.*
You are, of course, free to start up a news agency that fulfills every ideal you hold close, just know that you’ll have to have a lot of funding if you’re going to be spending as much time in court defending against libel lawsuits as you spend on reporting.
Yeah. They’re cowards because they don’t want to lose any money saying the truth.
In this case I think the point is to be on the nose about how fucking ridiculous it is - just from this article:
Steve Bannon made a gesture that is identical to a Nazi salute
Bannon made the gesture — extending his arm, palm down, fingers straight, at an upward angle away from his chest, which is also what Nazi salutes look like
the gesture was also identical to one made by billionaire Elon Musk
extended his arm straight out, palm down, fingers straight, at an upward angle away from his chest. Which, whatever the billionaire’s intention, just happens to be precisely how a Nazi salute is performed.
Musk repeated the gesture. Here’s how that looked. <pic of Musk doing a Nazi salute>
I also wouldn’t be surprised if the DoJ would be specifically ordered to look at this case. When you’re challenging power, it makes sense to cross your Ts and dot your Is.
Oxford’s top definition for Apparent is “clearly visible or understood; obvious”
And the second (which is how they are using it) is “seeming real or true, but not necessarily so”.
I think the third one is “brother, i really don’t wanna get sued for that shit.” Pretty sure they are using that one.
Having read the article, that doesn’t seem to be the case. The undertones of the writing seem to be “There have been some attempts to deny that these are Nazi salutes (and not from the people making the gestures), but plausible deniability is rapidly running out and it definitely looks exactly like a Nazi salute”.
Dodging shackles of the new Ministry of Truth
The space karen one was blatantly apparent, this was a pretty half assed attempt. Like he is too much of a bitch to put his contemptible fascist ideology on full display.
Getting upset when journalists explicitly flag their interpretations is pretty fucked up and fragile.
“Interpreting” a sieg heil is pretty fucked up and complicit.
They came to the same fucking interpretation as you did, but that’s still not good enough. “Apparently” they don’t just have to oppose nazis, they have to participate in your daily Two Minutes Of Hate. Clearly differentiating between objective observation and the inferences drawn from those objective observations IS A GOOD THING. So fucking fragile.
Good. I want more of them to do it. Let’s get past the phase where people still try to rationalize ways in which it’s not what it literally is.
Let’s get past the phase where people still try to rationalize ways in which it’s not what it literally is.
What’s sad is that right now on my screen the comment above yours is someone trying to claim it isn’t a Nazi salute because…blah blah blah.
I’m with you though. I hope they all out themselves. Makes them easier to find and deal with.
Most people have muscle memory of like normal wave or maybe a clenched fist pump for “fight fight fight” right? It’s not supposed to be difficult to avoid nazi saluting. Like I’ve never ALMOST sieg heil’d, you know? fuck sakes
look there was no plausible deniability when Elon did it. He pretended like he was a weirdo autist the night of with his weird head bobbing and his exaggerated gestures to try and give plausible deniability. but the Nazi salute was putting the toe in the water. feeling the room
it seems that the wannabe Nazis felt like the water was warm enough and they’re gonna start descending the staircase into the pool
The thing about musk that boggled my mind was that not only did he do it once, but he turned 180 degrees to do it again.
Yeah lol, he did the whole thing. Looks a lot like he turns around just to salute what I assumed was a flag in the backdrop somewhere, but supposedly there were more people back there. But still, who does the whole thing? Actually, first, why do it after and not as an accent during the speech act? I think his gestures and words aren’t typically disjointed so this is interesting. Who feels the need to suck in their lower lip to do a “heart goes out” gesture? This is an “I’m about to be edgy / go for it” face, not a “heart love beam” face. During his brief expression right before he starts speaking again, he comes off rather pleased with himself.
After Mush did it, I wanted to give my bro my heart, but I literally couldn’t bring myself to do it. No way this is accidents.
I shall now remind the world that the USA didn’t care all that much about nazis in WW2 until it got attacked by Japan in Pearl Harbor and felt the need to react.
Bullshit. We supported Europe similarly to how we’ve been supporting Ukraine.
We didn’t have boots on the ground, but we did everything short of that. It’s why Pearl Harbor happened.
We turned away Jewish refugees, and we also had our own Nazi political party. Support for the Nazis during WW2 was at a high point among the population before the US entered the war. We did not as a nation support Europe, and in fact there were large protests across the US against FDR supporting the allies by bypassing Congress. Speaking of Congress, they specifically created and expanded the Neutrality Act to prevent FDR from providing aid to the allies.
So no, there was much less help from Congress for supporting the allies than there is for supporting Ukraine, and it wasn’t a popular move by FDR to boot.
We did not as a nation
You sure like to cherry pick what counts for “as a nation”. The fact is we sent significant supplies and support to Europe throughout the war.
I can’t find a source for percentage support for the Nazis. While it existed, it seems to be pretty minor. Even the infamous Madison Square Garden rally has more to the story.
It bears mentioning that while there were 20,000 enthusiastic American Nazis inside the venue, there were also thousands of protesters outside. The anti-Nazi contingent included everyone from veterans to housewives to members of the Socialist Workers Party. The New York Times reported that the streets of midtown Manhattan were packed, and at one point the orchestra from a Broadway musical near Madison Square Garden performed a rendition of “The Star-Spangled Banner” for the protesters. A mysterious crusader even set up a loudspeaker in a rooming house near the scene and blasted a denunciation of the Nazis out the window: “Be American, Stay at Home.” The New York Police Department had deployed a record number of 1,700 officers around Madison Square Garden, enough “to stop a revolution,” the police commissioner said.
Let me make sure I got your argument correct before we continue. You’re arguing that the country that didn’t even desegregate their schools a hundred years ago had “pretty minor” support for white supremacists even before they were literally forced by the military under a progressive president to allow black people to attend their schools, because only 20,000 people attended one nazi rally in the time before the internet or interstate system, when word spread by mouth or by local newspaper.
That’s some straight up white historical revisionism.
If you were actually interested in the truth, which I very highly doubt you are, because Americans tend to suppress any criticism of their historical racism, I would suggest you read Hitler’s American Friends: The Third Reich’s Supporters in the United States by Bradley Hart. The American history with and love of nazism is glossed over or often ignored, because the whole idea of the grand stand against fascism is the greatest story we tell ourselves. It’s mostly propaganda, and people like you go along with it because it makes you uncomfortable to address the fact that the US would have willingly joined the nazis if it weren’t for the president standing in the way of things.
People like Bradley Hart write books like that as a cautionary tale. People like you just abuse any chance you get to shit on America.
There’s better unethical stuff in South America. You should spend your efforts there.
“Better unethical stuff” than nazism? I see, so you’re that sort of person.
And you’re the sort of person to call me a Nazi at the slightest provocation.
we sent significant supplies
By “sent” you mean lent or sold. The US made a profit off the Lend Lease war programme. The UK was still paying them back decades later.
You’re right about the US doing the same to Ukraine. That’s been touted as a Lend Lease situation as well.
What about the role of IBM in the logistics of the Reich, from military logistics to railroad and camp management for the Holocaust?
Zyklon Blue
America supported the axis and allies in ww2
No, American companies continued to sell goods to the Axis until it was no longer illegal. The US federal government never supported the axis
Even after setting embargo’s the us didn’t enforce private company’s from exporting/importing. And before the embargo’s the us were sending arms. The one of the countries America didn’t work with was Russia and is partly why the us worked with the Nazis. They saw it as a means to an end in the goal to defeat communism.
Russia did not exist then.
I agree with your first point, but it’s not the main reason why US was attacked - even if it was 100% isolationist, it would have been attacked anyway, because Japan can’t really fulfill its imperial ambitions, if they have the US pacific fleet in its backside.
Japanese also thought the Americans would give them better terms of surrender than the British or thr Soviets.
A lot of the US supported nazi Germany directly as well. They were supporting both the allies and the nazis for a while.
I’m not saying America was pro-nazi (though some were). I’m saying the US could’ve fought Japan and just continued to fund the Soviets. The red army was more than up to the task of sweeping through every country held by the Nazis after they broke them in the East.
They didn’t though, they prioritized victory in Europe ahead of victory in the Pacific. That is because they were racing against the communists to liberate as much as Europe as they could. They were already planning for the next war.
Remember how the justification for nuking civilians in Japan was so American soldiers didn’t have to give their lives taking the island? So why sacrifice American lives in Europe if you know the USSR is months away from totally steamrolling Nazi Germany? There has to be a geopolitical reason.
The Nazis may not get broken in the East without the Americans and the Allies in the West.
We have plenty of things to be Anti-American about right now without trying to cherry pick, and oddly frame WWII.
The Battle of Stalingrad ended on February 2, 1943, with the surrender of German forces after months of intense fighting, marking a major turning point in World War II.
D-Day occurred on June 6, 1944, marking the Allied invasion of Nazi-occupied France.
Your response to me only makes sense if you think I am saying that the Soviets could have beaten the Nazis on their own with no lend lease program or the British holding out against the Nazis.
Am I saying that? Can you quote one of the sections of my comments that is giving you that impression?
If you would stop getting defensive for no reason and actually read my comments, maybe you’ll actually be able to understand what I am saying?
Let me lay it out, as clear as fucking possible for you:
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Americans provided material support to allies fighting the nazis
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The goal of this is not to stop fascist ideology, but to keep the status quo maintained in Europe and Asia
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The Soviets win Stalingrad and begin pushing west. Nazi defeat is all but inevitable.
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American inaction here would result in a red german and red france. Possibly even red Italy and the overthrowing of Franco’s fascist regime in Spain.
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Americans prioritize victory in Europe over the Pacific, even though the Japanese navy is the bigger threat to them.
Ergo:
- It’s not the defeat of fascism that the Americans were interested in, it was maintaining a status quo and preventing communism from spreading through Europe
THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATRS OF AMERICA
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There are several accounts pushing these strange lies about WW2. They don’t seem to be bots or Russian accounts but this bullshit has to be coming from people intentionally spreading propaganda and disinformation.
Sometimes it’s okay to discuss things and consider them from a different angle than the one you’re used to. It can help give you a new perspective on things. Broadening your understanding of things.
Does it mean that anonymous social media can’t exist without state actors using it to push propaganda?
I also don’t want everything I’ve posted to social media to be attached to my resume when I’m applying for jobs.
I’ve thought about some kind of system where a trusted actor would have access linking individuals actual names to pseudo-anonymous online identities. But one, that’s a stretch. Two, Elon would have downloaded that database first. And three, it doesn’t even fully solve the problem. Maybe you can make it a crime to allow foreign individuals to use your verified social media account.
But all that’s just spitballing on the bleeding edge of social media. And our government isn’t exactly known for being on the bleeding edge of tech.
I do think something like this could be good for the German government in particular.
No you didn’t, you let your competitors destroy eachother and joined in at the end to reap the rewards.
Maybe it is like ukraine. Let others do the fighting for you.
And you know nothing about Pearl Harbor.
Everyone knows you desperately wanted war with Japan.
The oil embargo was almost a declaration of war.
But you wanted Japan to do it.
You deliberate placed the fleet in a remote place as bait, totaly indefensible.
Everyone with brain knew this at the time but their objections were dismissed.Read a book Einstein
get fucked loser
Damn, brains and wit all in one? I’m sure you get lots of attention
Bro you defending Imperial Japan?
imagine what POS empire you have to be that imperial Japan is the victim
so yes.
death to america!!!
Hell, we only got involved with the Nazis because Hitler declared war on the US after the US declared war on Japan for pearl harbor.
I would go as far to say the reason they did d-day wasn’t to defeat the nazis, but to liberate as much of western europe as they could before the soviets set up social republics in france and the netherlands.
Then you go so far that you’re off the map.
No, the US stayed out of the war until after the Nazis had been defeated at Stalingrad and were getting pushed out of Russia. The reason the US didn’t enter the war earlier was 1. Forces in the US wanted Europe destroyed since all it would take is a push to over industrialize our economy and we could emerge as the worlds leading superpower (which happened) and 2. The powerful forces in the US were really hoping the Nazis would defeat the Soviets.
The other poster is more correct, we entered the war to clean up the western front and prevent the USSR from taking the credit for “winning”, and prevent expansion or even diplomatic leverage.
Completely ahistorical garbage. If the US wanted the Nazis to beat the Soviets, then why did they send billions in equipment and supplies even before Stalingrad.
Its not that they wanted the Nazis, but the US will choose a dumptruck of fascism over a thimblefull of socialism every time. The US wasn’t officially aligned with Germany, there were forces in the US that wanted to see them defeated, and protect allies like GB. However many powerful american businesses were closely aligned with the nazis anc they wield a lot of political clout. IBM’s second biggest customer was Nazi Germany. So don’t act like there was zero conflict of interest. But as I said the incentives weren’t pro-nazi, they were pro-US superpower and anti soviet. There certainly were powerful forces within the US that explicitly wanted fascism here though, the Ultra podcast covers this well in 2 seasons.
Your version of history where there are good guys and bad guys that clearly demarcate the winners and losers in a completely justified in every way war, is the ahistorical garbo. People just can’t fathom that the US would act underhandedly to give itself an advantage despite every second of this country’s foul imperialist history. As if these things are decided by your personal morals rather than by politics and power. God what naive idealism.
In the war room, when it looks like the worlds greatest enemy are going to defeat your greatest enemy, should you intervene on behalf of your greatest enemy? No you wait and see how things shake out. Its always surprising when people just refuse to think about political economy and instead believe the “stars and stripes forever, super patriot, the US is the greatest country in the world” delusion.
You are stitching together facts to create a false larger narrative and sound like a either a 15 year old who has just discovered the world isn’t black and white, or an Alex Jones enjoyer .
If you don’t have anything to contribute to the discussion, then you could just not comment.
When my facts contradict your narrative im a 15 year old antisemitic conspiracy theorist, meanwhile, you throw away all those facts to protect your narrative in the name of truth. Its a little disingenuous.
I admit I’m coming in hot and heavy with a particular view and i believe these dynamicx are real and important to understand. but these were just a few particularly nasty threads in a long, complex and difficult war. Treating these topics fairly and honestly is the work of books, stacks of volumes even, and unlike you, I won’t say that my view, which merely corroborates the perspective of the other commenter, is the comprehensive final word on WW2 history. That’s all I was doing was corroborating, giving some facts to support their perspective which you arrogantly dismissed without a squeaky fart of evidence. Again, disingenuous.
I assure you that I’m not 15 (multiply that by 3) nor a casual internet theorist, so dont bother trying to rattle me the way you might be able to with someone from one of those groups of people. In any case, whatever box you have to put me in to make yourself feel better than me is fine, but it doesn’t make you right or even like a good faith participant in this discussion. I hope you get a lot of mileage out of that little insult, I hope it makes you feel special and very smart. From my limited experience, those feelings of fake superiority might be one of the only things you have going for you. But feel free to prove me wrong with something like an intelligent comment. It doesn’t take much to impress me, being a dumb, childish, hateful oaf that you want to paint me as.
If no D-Day then the Soviets just liberate Europe all on their own. Why risk so many American lives unless you’re preparing for the next war?
… Oh, well. If the Soviets had it all handled then why indeed lol. You’re an uneducated nut spouting conspiracies as stupid as those put out by Putinists.
You’re welcome to insult me all you like, but then have the balls to answer the question i proposed to you.
I’d like to go back to a simpler time. A time when nazis got shot in the fucking face.
You can help return to that time today!
It’s always incredible to see how so many people say they’re willing to do something is contrasted with the close to zero people who do it.
I’m 100% sure if you remove the momentum of the system your statement will become a lie.
You mean remove the bread and circus? Definitely. But that’s not going to happen.
Otherwise I don’t know what you’re getting at.
By momentum I mean all these services and people that were keeping everything running who are now fired.
Well then you’re supporting what I said, not proving it’s a lie.
If you fire someone you remove their ability to access bread and circus.
It’s always incredible to see how so many people say they’re willing to do something is contrasted with the close to zero people who do it.
This is what you said. There are plenty of movements right now that are protesting this. Not many want to turn to violence yet because that is even more destructive than this. If you aren’t seeing people act Idk what to tell you.
Join your local SRA or PSL. We need more comrades. Us Socialist have the top score for killing Nazis and it’s not even fucking close.
Edit: Socialist Rifle Association. Party for Socialism and Liberation.
Judge for yourselves … pretty blatant Nazi salute if I’ve ever seen one. Short and quick but it was a plainly obvious gesture.
1930s German Nazis would have laughed at it for being so pitiful and weak but it was there from what I saw.
https://www.youtube.com/live/0BN-62AQT4Q?t=29801s
If the linked time doesn’t work … scroll through to the end of his 15 minute speech at 8:16:32
I can’t even think of a way that this could be given some veil of innocence either. The “my heart goes out to you” thing was always bullshit, but it was an attempt at plausible deniability. I don’t think even that could be done here
Yeah well my heart just went out when I slay nazis too it was an oops because I was just making my heart go out
It’s just an involuntary hand movement, like when someone reaches for glasses they are already wearing, or reach out for a phone that’s not in the pocket. He got the habit from all the times he does the Nazi salute behind closed doors. /s (but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s actually true)
the nod, like yeah I did that, right after.
Like a weak handshake. The softest Nazi ever.
Short and quick, followed by a smile and a nod to what I assume was approval from the audience.
