It actually doesn’t mean the same thing.
Yeah, but also 2 would never be true. Nobody is a primary guitarist and hobbyist astronaut. Astronaut is always someone’s primary, and the rest is an afterthought. At least “real” astronauts, not space tourists.
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The president of the United States is a rapist
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A rapist is president of the United States
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Yeah probably.
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Holy shit, they elected a known rapist?
I think that’s why the statements feel different.
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Lots of people play guitar, ‘a guitarist’ implies a certain level of skill.
Consider that you only swapped ‘guitarist’, but not ‘astronaut’. A guitarist who’s been to space isn’t near as impressive as a guitarist who’s also an astronaut
The first attribute in the list sets the framing.
Another example is:
Jeff is lazy, intelligent and charming.
Marc is charming intelligent and lazy.Your brain most likely will have a more positive impression of Marc than of Jeff, despite both being described with the exact same attributes.
Or what about this one:
Pay 20 dollars. Then you get to flip a coin. If it lands on heads you gain 100 dollars. If it lands on tails you get nothing.
You get to flip a coin. If it lands on heads you gain 80 dollars. If it lands on tails you have to pay 20 dollars.People will generally consider the first one to be better, because they could “win” more in the second step and “loose” nothing. The second one will probably be more averted because loosing could be “punished”.
If you think slow about it and run the math, both set ups have the same probabilities with the same earnings or losses.I highly recommend the book “thinking fast, thinking slow” that deals a lot with these biases.
I was so confused about the coin flipping thing until I realized I was skipping “pay 20 dollars” as the start of the first scenario.
I guess you meant Thinking, Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman. But thank you for the book recommendation. I have added it to my reading list.
That is the correct title. Thank you.
I think it’s typically because you lead with the thing people would know them for, or the thing that person is more known for in general. So because there’s so few astronauts, it’s pretty fucking impressive that you think I’m more likely to know their guitar work than their space career
Do any of you like to go to the ISS in your free time? Just me? I’m never going to find someone who shares my hobbies.
Is this a Buckaroo Banzai post? I feel like this is a Buckaroo Banzai post.
leave Brian May alone 😋
An astronaut who’s also a guitarist. Active. A guitarist who rides in spaceships. Passive.
denotation vs connotation
Some people call them Maurice.
Chris Hadfield has entered the chat.
Not to me.
Katy Perry is ostensibly an “astronaut”. Not a pilot, not someone who trained for years to lead science experiments in space, just a guitarist who’s also an astronaut.
Astronauts are trained professionals, she was a passenger.
That’s what I say
Don’t have an opinion on that, or rather I can go bot h ways. Astronaut literally means space traveler. 🤷🏻
I think astronaut has a higher skill floor than guitarist. I don’t mentally separate astronauts into categories like amateur/average/talented/expert, it’s just assumed that any astronaut is an expert. Leading with describing someone as a guitarist before you mention they’re an astronaut too implies that they’re also an expert guitarist.
So basically it’s the difference between:
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An expert guitarist who’s also an expert astronaut
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An expert astronaut who’s also an amateur guitar player.
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It’s because being an astronaut is an actual job you commit to or you won’t get to do your job. Guitarist can mean anything from picking up the guitar once a month to being lead guitarist in the best band of the world.
One is a job description, the other one can be just a hobby or a full blown job.
One avenue pays bills at all levels, one you have to be truly good at to make anything. Reason I went back into science instead of music.
I once paid a bar tab with my guitar skills. Does that count?
Counts! I’ve paid some tabs, and sometimes rent playing guitar, but had to go back to science to make it work long term.
I had to make a decision. Everything is a sliding scale/gradient. Money aside even, it’s a lot easier to do great stuff as a musician outside of a science career than it is to to great stuff as a scientist outside of a music career.
That’s because astronaut elevates guitarist whereas guitarist doesnt elevate astronaut.
