Are students allowed to throw tomato at it?
Easy, gather the tenants off all the other faiths and put them up.
That’s actually a great idea. Have the children make them as a school assignment. Judaism is basically the same. That would be a fantastic start to accepting other people.
In our (religious!) school, our class did this. It started more as a prank, but we were oddly proud of the result ^^
“The Ten Commandments” are actually Jewish. Christians who read would know that Christianity is supposed to be based on two commandments, which according to their god are more important than the ten commandments.
Christianity was a Jewish sect until at least 70 ad, so it actually is Jewish until they separated themselves out as being different.
What 2 commandments are you talking about? I actually don’t read the bible either since I’m not religious. I’m fascinated by the history of it though. Are you talking about the Golden Rule? What other one then.
I’ve read a little bit of the Jewish scriptures to see what was taken out of the old testament and rearranged, that was kind of hilarious. The Book of Ruth is sexy time. The same guy who made it so priests couldn’t marry probably got rid of that book too, but I can’t remember when it was pulled. Probably at the council of Nicene.
The two commandments he is talking about are found here: Matthew 22:36-40 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
These are what Jesus is quoted as saying in the New Testament of the Bible.
Thanks for explaining that. We were taught in my catholic school the second one as the Golden Rule and the only commandment to follow because it encompasses all of them. The “Love the Lord…” one was barely brought up, if at all. Even catholics have many different versions of being taught. My west coast friends had a totally different experience.
Ruth is still in though, it’s right after Judges.
Holy shit, you’re right. I must have read the source wrong or I didn’t understand. Are the sexy songs still included as sexy songs?
If you’re talking about Song of Songs, yes, still there. I don’t think it ever appears in sermons though, it’s not very quotable in a public setting.
Ew, but those are about love. Not here is the u s of a buddy.
*tenets
No, @[email protected] clearly meant a person renting from a landlord smh
Or 10/14, the best Doctor.
Had shoulder surgery Friday, between using my off hand for texting, pain meds and just waking up and seeing this post, it’s no wonder I got the wrong word :p
Hope you heal well and quickly!
That’s an even better idea because then they won’t be able to understand the dialog.
Good movie
All of them
THERE ARE SEVEN FUNDAMENTAL TENETS
I
One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
II
The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
III
One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
IV
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one’s own.
V
Beliefs should conform to one’s best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one’s beliefs.
VI
People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one’s best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
VII
Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
~The Satanic Temple
Or put it behind a shelf… they never said it had to be visible only posted
Do both. Post other faiths and put only the 10 commandments mostly behind a shelf.
the tenants off all the other faiths
That’s a LOT of people, none of which the founding fathers wanted to be allowed to vote.
I mean because they’re not land owners but sure, the other reason too!
Yup cover the walls. Be inclusive rather than Christian inclusive, put up satanism, atheism, agnosticism ideals, make sure to include indigenous peoples. People will get posed and say it needs to come down but can’t justify taking one down without taking others. And sure let’s do religion month and talk about each of the tenets.
It might be different for some people, for example as an atheist I try to follow one rule only:
Don’t be an arsehole.
Other people might have different prime principles.
BTW, with my rule I’m not always successful.
There is more than one list of 10 commandments in the Bible. Post them side by side and hilight the differences.
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Go through them as a class.
Explain what adultery and coveting mean.
Get angry letters from parents.
Reply “you voted for this so now I have to teach it.”
“Adultery is when you have sex with someone you are not married to.” *(Bible’s definition)
8yr old: “What is sex?”
Teacher: “Ask your parents.”
Other 8 year old: “Is that what dad does with the babysitter?”
Teacher: “Ask your mom.”
8yr old: “What is sex?”
Teacher: “Ask your parents.”
LOL, no.
This is science class we’re talking about. Teach it. In full detail.
I would be surprised if Texas doesn’t have a very specific law about sex ed in schools and what can be taught at specific grade levels.
Any state that is christofascist enough to require a display of the Ten Commandments in schools is probably also prudish enough to punish teachers for honest discussions of human sexuality.
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Requiring you to post the 10 Commandments doesn’t prevent you from posting, say, the five pillars of Islam. :)
Hang them up. You’re obliged to anyway. Then post pictures of lawmakers next to them who broke those commandments and write how and why they did. Make it a game for the children to find more.
I’m not sure the wall has enough space.
It can be a multi classroom project
I think you meant school.
Post it facing the wall so it’s just the back of the poster.
Post it upside down.
Post it in direct sunlight so it fades very quickly.
Post it behind something big on a counter that just happens to always obstruct it.
If it’s a science classroom, somewhere where potentially caustic chemicals might frequently, accidently damage it.
Post it on the floor as a door mat so it gets walked on.
Believe it or not there are rules about how it is allowed to be posted.
(1) include only the text of the Ten Commandments as provided by Subsection © in a size and typeface that is legible to a person with average vision from anywhere in the classroom in which the poster or framed copy is displayed; and (2) be at least 16 inches wide and 20 inches tall.
Hang it with the printed side against the wall.
Post the ten commandments written in Arabic and watch the racists lose their shit
Or microdot size
I put posters Im required to have in my classroom but dont want behind the door. The door is always open so the poster is always hidden from sight. Students dont even know its there.
Find one with the full text of the commandments. They’re a lot more interesting. My favorite is number 10.
You shall not covet your neighbour’s house; you shall not covet your neighbour’s wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbour.
Those handy little posters only mention coveting wives and goods, but it’s important that they know God says slavery is totally fine, just don’t covet your neighbor’s slaves.
it should also be noted that that’s about coveting other people’s possessions. that’s what that list all has in common. wives are not an exception to that category, as far as the author was concerned. (and the people insisting these stupid things go up.)
There are two (or three) versions of the 10 Commandments in the Bible itself, before we even consider translation issues:
https://news.utexas.edu/2019/02/04/ten-commandments-in-texas-classrooms-but-what-version/
Anyway, the NIV translation uses “servant” instead of “slave”, which seems bogus to me.
Luckily that commandment is in exodus 20, and exodus 21 just happens to have the rules for selling your daughter as a “servant” for life, as well as the punishment for beating “servants” to death. You know, normal stuff.
And this is why it’s bullshit. 3 versions of a book some random person wrote to gather followers. Biggest cult in the world.
Knowledge that the Bible says slaves are OK will not be beneficial.
It’s a perfect stepping stone for a lesson on how the Bible is completely incompatible with modern morals.
‘Modern morals’ only exist on paper and are at best only selectively followed.
same is true of the bronze age morals.
David had a dude killed so he could bang the dude’s wife.
There’s a whole list of things that should get you killed according to those nice books.
Just go down the list each day and match each commandment with the one of our politicians deeds.
When Moses approached the camp and saw the calf and the dancing, his anger burned and he threw the tablets out of his hands, breaking them to pieces at the foot of the mountain. And he took the calf the people had made and burned it in the fire; then he ground it to powder, scattered it on the water and made the Israelites drink it.
He said to Aaron, “What did these people do to you, that you led them into such great sin?”
“Do not be angry, my lord,” Aaron answered. “You know how prone these people are to evil. They said to me, ‘Make us gods who will go before us. As for this fellow Moses who brought us up out of Egypt, we don’t know what has happened to him.’ So I told them, ‘Whoever has any gold jewelry, take it off.’ Then they gave me the gold, and I threw it into the fire, and out came this calf!”
Moses saw that the people were running wild and that Aaron had let them get out of control and so become a laughingstock to their enemies. So he stood at the entrance to the camp and said, “Whoever is for the Lord, come to me.” And all the Levites rallied to him.
Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: ‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.’” The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died. Then Moses said, “You have been set apart to the Lord today, for you were against your own sons and brothers, and he has blessed you this day.”
Jesus fuck, did not remember the Bible endorsing self-genocide.
I was thinking more the worship false idols except from when Moses came down from the mountain. These women doubtless would call themselves good Christians and somehow miss they’re standing in from of a literal gold idol.
Put it right next to all other religious texts you can find?
Exactly. If there are people from other faiths to be made comfortable, include them. If there are atheists, choose a moral framework that’s line with your/their/the school’s values and put that up there too.
Can you post other religious creed alongside?
Post a sign above them that says: “which of these would you replace and what would you replace it with that offers better moral guidance?”
“which of these would you replace and what would you replace it with that offers better moral guidance?”
Thou shalt not kill; replace it with “thou must lubeth up before thy mandatory anal sex” /s
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Surely there’s a malicious compliance way to do so. Post it in 6pt font. In disappearing ink. In the original Hebrew. In Elvish. Backward. Behind the flag.
Original Hebrew is my favorite. If you’re not reading it in the language God intended, do you even have faith bro?
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What disturbs me a bit is that we’re in an atheism community and 99% of the answers hinge around ‘put up more religion’. Sure, if one then treat them all the same. But then also treat us the same. We don’t believe that any of that has a room in a science class room. Where is the respect for our believe?
Hang them up. Then once explain to your students why none of this belongs in a science class room. Ask who would like to have the honors of tearing them down at the end of the class as a proactive lesson on science. Explain to them why this will be a daily ritual now.
This way they’re on display every day, so you are strictly speaking compliant. But it makes it very clear that this has no place here. Your students will become more comfortable with the idea of resisting religious BS. Until the day you are fired for it. Then they learn that freedom has a price.
atheism isn’t a belief system though. it’s the absence of belief. if the teachers are forced to do stuff based on belief, the only malicious compliance that works within the rules is to treat all belief systems equally. science is also not a belief system.
Idk man. I’m pretty sure atheism technically IS a belief system: the null set is a subset of every set (also sure, bald is a hair color and if you hold up 2 fists I can count zero fingers you’re holding up). Of course, this is subject to some rich debate.
I suspect you can go a step further in malicious compliance by maximally broadening what you mean by “belief system”. Obviously you should also have Asimovs 3 laws of robotics, the first rule of fight club, the key phrase to view the marauders map, and so on.
hello mr peterson
I disagree.
Agnosticism is the absence of belief.
Atheism is believing that there is no God.
Theism is the belief in a god or gods.
Atheism is the lack of that belief. You can be an atheist and simply lack belief, or you can affirmatively claim that no gods exist.
Many atheists are somewhat in the middle: for example, there are certain god claims that are so patently ridiculous (e.g. Xenu) that I do claim that they don’t exist, whereas there are others that are probably unfalsifiable (e.g. a deistic god) and so I don’t think it’s possible to make a legitimate claim that they don’t exist.
Agnosticism deals with knowledge, not belief. It’s right there in the word: “gnostos” is the Greek word for knowledge.
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this is a problem the movement has had forever. people who call themselves atheist but specifically “do not believe in God”, with the name capitalised, ruin it for the rest of us.
agnosticism is specifically a both-sides belief. actual modern atheism is about theory of work. people who grow up christian and then turn against their upbringing think they’re atheist but they’re actually “achristian”.
Nothing like gatekeeping something as basic as not believing in myths.
I understand where you’re coming from and I probably wouldn’t have worded things in the same way the person you’re replying to is, but there are a lot of misconceptions out there around what atheism is. For example I’ve talked to people who exit Christianity and simultaneously call themselves atheists while developing a belief in a different god, and this is objectively not atheism. Similarly, there’s often an atheism vs. agnosticism confusion which I addressed in a different comment here.
I always think, there’s atheists and there’s angry atheists
But yes achristian works.
The idea isn’t to spread religious dogma, the idea is to put up non-christian, non-secular sources of what most would consider to be wisdom and watch the hypocrites who made the stupid law in the first place lose their minds that teachers are “putting [Islam, Buddhism, Satanism, etc] in schools”. of course, to prevent the teacher from doing that, they would have to sue and potentially have the law that requires teachers to post up the 10 commandments in the first place be declared unconstitutional in order to also remove other sources of religious references.
Cheers, your viewpoint is much appreciated and enabled me to see a new facette to the discussion!
