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Sugar: THE BITTER TRUTH
Robert H. Lustig, MD, UCSF Professor of Pediatrics in the Division of Endocrinology, explores the damage caused by sugary foods. He argues that fructose (too much) and fiber (not enough) appear to be cornerstones of the obesity epidemic through their effects on insulin. Recorded on 05/26/2009.
He is so well spoken, and his work is very impactful!
Are they? Depends how many you eat.
You think this obese monkey was eating raspberries? They probably got into a human garbage. Get real.
Do you think being fat didn’t happen to any humans or animals before the invention of processed food?
People have spoken a lot about how digestible the sugars are, but in terms of overall healthiness, the fibre is an important component even beyond its impact on sugar absorption. Many people do not get enough fibre in their diets.
RN here, it’s because your body has a more difficult time accessing the sugars in fruit form. They are wrapped up in multiple types of fiber which add bulk to your digestive system and serve as kind of a shield for your body to less easily access the sugar. The juice is essentially just the sugar with all the fiber strained out, has others have said this causes a situation where you can drink the calories from like 18 oranges in 45 seconds, and your body can access it immediately and easily. This is also why whole fruit is actually a good thing for diabetics because the glycemic index is actually pretty low.
Some years ago some medication I was on put me at risk for diabetes (not an issue now), and my Dr. at the time mentioned the benefit of fruit, however I never really asked them to elaborate.
Thanks for that explanation, it makes a lot of sense the way you’ve described the function. You learn something new everyday!Flavonoids and polyphenols. Cleveland Health has articles on both.
There was some guy on telly did a test. Half the group had to eat oranges. The other half had to drink orange juice. Then swapped them over the next day. I can’t remember the exact setup but i think it was like ‘eat/drink as much as you want, stop when you feel full’.
Everyone was able to consume far, far more calories in juice form and probably far more sugar than they needed.
I think like even eating enough oranges for 1x300ml glass was hard for many people to do in fruit form. Basically, the rest of the orange filled them up and that’s what we’re better evolved for: slower digestion of a more varied mush and lots of fibre and stuff like that.
The juice is far too easy for us to eat way more than needed.
Juice being bad doesn’t necessarily make the whole fruit good. The glycemic index still has to be considered in the context of the person and their diet.
You’re just another shill for big juice, Pulptastic.
/s in case it’s not obvious
Sorry, to clear it up I’m team juice very bad fruit occasionally.
There is sugar, absolutely. And that’s probably where most of the calories come from. But there is also water, cellulose (fiber), and vitamins/minerals - doesn’t have much non-sugar caloric value to change that balance, but it’s still important. And nobody serious is suggesting you eat only fruit, so you can get non-sugar calories from other sources and it can be balanced in the big picture.
It’s kind of like an appropriate amount of dressing on a salad, the good outweighs the bad and makes you more likely to actually eat that nutrition-positive food.
Source: I’m some guy on the Internet. You can trust me.
nobody serious is suggesting you eat only fruit
Notorious for having lived a long life…
56 is long if you were born around 1901
Is it? I always thought lower life expectancies were dragged down by infant mortality. Basically if you survive the crib you’d likely live into your 70s.
When referring to diseases, yeah, but there was also a lot of death from wars and other violence, severe injuries from dangerous labor, and labor was pretty risky. If one was healthy and avoided injury they were certainly on par with modern life spans.
Yeah, that’s what my dad says, and he’s a medieval historian, so I believe him. I guess it’s possible that lifespan in 1901 was much shorter than the middle ages, but that seems unlikely
I’m pretty sure Jobs either didn’t die at 56 or wasn’t born around 1901.
around
Maybe ± 70 years.
I thought about that as I wrote it! I stand by what I said.
So where’s does he claim to only eat fruit?
Are you confusing it with him recommending to use Apple? 😋 (/s)Also the man was insane. If you based on false beliefs make decisions against professional advice, that are detrimental to your well being, and even put your life in danger, that is AFAIK a very key aspect of being insane.
He was someone who was a fruititarian at various points in his life. He was also someone who didn’t shower at certain points in his life. And he went for alternative medicine when he got sick.
My ex- decided to become a fruititarian, with hopes of becoming a breathitarian someday after reading about a yogi who allegedly had done so.
Emphasis on the ex-.
OK, that only confirms to me that he was in fact insane. There is no way we are supposed to eat only fruit, it simply doesn’t provide any real energy, but consumes as much to digest as it yields, meaning there is no way to survive on fruit alone.
He chose to not listen to medical advice for cancer and instead dragged things out with ‘alternative medicine’ long enough that real medical treatment wouldn’t be successful anymore but still pulled strings to get a transplant.
He was nuts.
He’s also responsible for getting the ball rolling on enshittification. When you could connect an ipod to a computer, the files were scattered to a billon random places, and you were FORCED to have itunes.
Now, every single fucking thing has to come with their own app. fuck this.
Source: I’m some guy on the Internet. You can trust me.
With the amount of AI slop out there, in this day and age this is actually a surprisingly high level of trust.
Admittedly when I wrote that I had moments like “cellulose is in fruit, right? And that’s fiber?” and when I googled with neutral terms I mostly trusted Google’s AI slop 🤣
1/2 bottle of Ranch an appropriate amount?
For the first half of the meal, yes.
Are you both from the US? It was rough getting used to how much you all like to drown out the food with various sauces
No, and I was just havin a gaff
It’s called: “Fatland”.
There’s also quantity. Eating an orange is healthy. Drinking a glass of orange juice is like eating six oranges after removing the fiber: not heslthy
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They are like 11g of augars in 100g lf berries. They are not mostly sugar
Well, mostly water. But besides that, it’s mostly sugars and fiber, in that order.
I think that seems to be the gist of the answers here, the sugar is all bundled up with other stuff that makes it both difficult to efficiently digest from the surrounding bulk and filling because of that bulk and also a bunch of water.
All that sugar is bound up in fiber, making it slower to release and keeping it from spiking your blood sugar into pre-diabeetus. Grind that same fruit down (juice), destroy its fibers, and now you got diabetes in a can.
Because it takes quite a lot of effort to eat a huge amount of sugar in the form on fruits and berries. They also have some vitamins, fibers and other stuff in them too.
Fiber. Fiber helps you feel full, so it is harder to over-eat fruit in comparison with chocolate bars, gummy bears, or even fruit juice.
They are not mostly sugar, sugars are just a part of the nutrients. Most fruits don’t even have that much sugar in them, it varies wildly though. There is also the way these sugars are intertwined with fiber, that make it much harder for these sugars to be processed in your body. So the sugars are released over a greater period of time giving your body more time to react. as opposed to refined sugars. Fruits are always healthier than candy, cookies, or soda.
There is a lot more in fruits than just sugars, there are proteins, vitamins, minerals, fibers. Which are all necessary for a healthy body. Sugars as well are necessary for your body to function.
It is practically impossible, if you’re otherwise healthy, to eat too much fruit. I personally eat at the very least 3 kilos or 5 pounds of various fruits a week. within an otherwise varied (vegan) diet. I’ve done so for the past 10 years. I make sure to test my blood, and so far had zero issues except low vit. d. Which you can’t get from fruit.
Why is it healthy? Well, we evolved next to fruits. Our ancestors always plucked and eaten them for millions of years. Just like we’ve done with all kinds of plants. Our gi tract is the right length, our body cant make most vitamins itself and completely functions on sugars. Fruit is part of a varied diet.
Healthy is relative. A handful of fruit is generally fine. Eating a few pounds of grapes in a day is probably a bad choice. There’s also a lot of people that conflate fruit with things that have fruit in them as about the same.
Eating a few pounds of grapes in a day is probably a bad choice
I have IBS and since grapes are FODMAPs (in high quantities) I should only eat like a handful at a time otherwise they can cause uncomfortable stomach cramping and diarrhea for me 😔
Is it weird that I woke up this morning wondering the same exact thing? 😳
A bug in the matrix
