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The Justice Department posted pardons online bearing identical copies of Donald Trump’s signature before quietly correcting them this week after what the agency called a “technical error.”
The replacements came after online commenters seized on striking similarities in the president’s signature across a series of pardons dated Nov. 7, including those granted to former New York Mets player Darryl Strawberry, former Tennessee House speaker Glen Casada and former New York police sergeant Michael McMahon.
In fact, the signatures on several pardons initially uploaded to the Justice Department’s website were identical, two forensic document experts confirmed to The Associated Press.
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I’m back to point out presidential pardons are an absolutely WILD power to give to your head of state.
I’ve yet to hear a solid defence of having it in the first place. It’s a power just waiting to be abused.
I like the idea of pardon, just not coming from one dude. We should have pardon committees at state and national level instead.
B b b b but Biden’s autopen!
Wow! This administration is a FUCKING JOKE!
Can’t even comprehend the numerous suits coming because they copy and pasted his damn signature! That’s not the same! GET YOUR MIND RIGHT!!!
At least Biden KNEW what he was signing but this piss diaper filled POS CANNOT even do that! Straight up EMBARRASSING!!!
Give this dumbass some Depends and get him the fuck out of government! He’s already proven he’s a trash ass, “business person” and gave into tariffs as he’s so dumb he didn’t even know what that meant, so fuck him!!!
American people are suffering while he threw a “Great Gatsby” party and how dumb is he because homie damn died in that book, fucking damn idiot clearly has never read a book!!!
Everyone who voted for him this is your fault and everyone who didn’t go to vote, it’s your fault as well!!!
So next election including midterms, get off your ass and vote or shut the fuck up!!! No one who doesn’t vote has NO FUCKING VOICE! Get off your lazy ass and vote!
I am so sick of people complaining but never got off their couch to vote so FUCK THEM! It’s your fault and STFU!
He legit caused a coup which failed but still killed people and then now pardoned them to pretend that they didn’t do anything wrong!
WOW!!!
IANAL but wouldn’t that make every one of those pardons now fraudulent and invalid?
Under literally any Democratic administration, yes.
As much as I’d like that to be true, probably not. Automatic signature machines have been a thing, especially for presidential signatures, for a while now. This is more a hit to Trump’s ego than anything.
I’m not talking about the autopen. I’m talking about going back after the fact and changing the signature from the autopen to something else, thus imho, invalidating the document.
Only if there is gold fringe on the document.
If it invalidates the first by removing the signature, it revalidates it by adding another from an authorized signer.
Yeah I don’t know if that’s how it works after the pardon has already been invoked or whatever.
The MAGAs have been making the argument that Biden signed Hunter’s pardon with an autopen, so the pardon is invalid. If that’s true, then so are Trump’s pardons. I’m good with that, let’s round up all the J6 traitors. I doubt he personally signed over 1000 pardons.
Also, did he sign any of his Executive Orders with an autopen, because they’re invalid, too.
Just following THEIR rules.
Its not eve n about the autopen in their opinion, its that Biden wasn’t supposedly aware of what he was signing.
So what I say is have Trump name every executive order he has made and any one that he misses gets instantly struck down.
Similarly, every time he says something stupid like, ’ I don’t even know the guy…’ that should invalidate a pardon.
Valid.
I doubt he personally signed over 1000 pardons.
You know, you can have more than one name on a single pardon, or just name an entire group like “everyone who was accused of any crime at or near the capital on January 6, 2021”. Also dude is still the incumbent, what good is invalidating the autopen thing?
Specifying a whole group and not giving names seems like it should probably be unconstitutional? Like you could just use it to unilaterally undo any law, which isn’t the intent of the pardon system. IANAL
I mean, the people who dodged the Vietnam War got pardoned that way… so it can be used for good…
It’s a double-edge sword.
Would it shock you to hear that they’ve been breaking the law the whole time and getting away with it?
I’m shocked!
It was rhetorical.
So’s your mom
This asshole replaced Joe biden’s presidential portrait in the whitehouse with a picture of an auto pen and now someone has been just copying and pasting his signature?
Every 👏 accusation 👏 is 👏 a 👏 confession 👏
Gaslight
Obstruct
ProjectGrandstand
Obstruct the evidence
Protect the paedos
I’m pretty sure I know the song (can’t listen atm) but never seen the video
Was not expecting this:
“Cha Cha bitch!”
Such sparkles!
Joe biden’s presidential portrait in the whitehouse with a picture of an auto pen
Somehow I missed that story. What the fuck…
The White House is filled with grade school level bullies, and what’s worse is that they think they’re funny.
Yeah, he’s such an asshole. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-subs-photo-biden-autopen-new-white-house/story?id=125902014
What a petty wet diaper
Pretty sure this is worse than the autopen thing they tried to turn into a scandal.
Yeah. Autopens have been used for like… 150 years or something? And they involve the president actually authorizing the signature, whereas Stephen Miller or some aide or somebody is just copying and pasting this shit on random documents
Edit: over 200 years. https://www.shapell.org/behind-the-scenes/the-robot-pen/
The first president to use the autopen extensively was Thomas Jefferson. … Since Jefferson, various US presidents have made use of the autopen; some were guarded about it while others were more open about its use. Whereas once the official White House position was to deny the existence or usage of the autopen, today its existence is more of an open secret.
Harry Truman was rumored to make use of the device; Gerald Ford was open about his utilization of the autopen, but it was Lyndon B. Johnson who blew the doors off the entire affair by allowing the device to be photographed in the White House, appearing on the cover of The National Enquirer with the article “The Robot That Sits in for the President.”
John F. Kennedy was so dependent on the autopen, that he became the subject of a book entitled The Robot That Helped to Make a President.
But when Biden uses it, it’s a scandal, and when Trump duplicates his signatures it’s perfectly fine. Good old Republican hypocrisy.
They know all of this. They harped on the Biden autopen thing to normalize exactly what we are reading about right now.
“Biden got away with it, so we can do it too.”
Rules are different for dictators.
Every single single accusation, regardless how outlandish it may seem, is an admission. At this point I would not be surprised if they had pedo space lasers igniting Californian forests.
Claims of election fraud to numb tolerance public to hearing about that.
Pedophile pizza places was Epstein Island.
Claims of Dems taking away guns, bot Trump is working on that.
Claiming woke stuff silences people so their taking over national media seems normal.
Autopen was to desensitize to staff pardoning people using Trump’s name.
There’s tons more, but yeah if they accuse Dems of doing something then it is something the fascists are planning to do.
It’s amazing that it still keeps working.
I mean, we’ve already accepted the idea that he’s handing out pardons to people who commit crimes on his behalf and outright selling pardons to others without much fuss. At that point who cares how he’s signing the documents?
He’s literally admitted he has no clue who Changpeng Zhao, someone he pardoned, even is. If you can’t name the pardoned crime nor the person, is he of sound mind to be entrusted with that power?
It does make you wonder whether Trump even signs these orders, or whether Stephen Miller just prints Trump’s signature on them in his crypt of Nazi evil.
In any sane time, that admission alone would spark multiple Congressional inquiries, and maybe even an impeachment trial. But now, we just add it to the pile of impeachable things that this Congress lets slide because their guy is doing it.
Honestly I don’t see why either would matter. If someone made him an e-signature/stamp and he said yeah I want this this and that, I couldn’t care less if assistants put the e-signature in for them. Now if someone used it without consent it would be illegal.
The whole autopen was accusing Biden of not knowing who he was pardoning because of the use of autopen.
This is clearly people being pardoned with no indication of Trump being aware of it happening and Trump has already admitted to pardoning people without knowing who they are.
Someone needs to ask him if his administration is doing things without his knowledge or direction.
He quite literally said that he had no idea who the Binance guy that he pardoned is.
It matters because he’s tried to overturn pardons from Biden for the exact same thing. It’s more of the “every accusation is a confession” and makes people suspect he doesn’t know what is going on
Yeah to me I don’t think the process really should matter that much, dude signs, has a designated signer pushes a button, what really matters is he knew what was going on and gave some form of confirmation.
To me, hypothetically president X, asks an intern to forge his signature, but says “he just authorized X”, that should be more legit than if a paper goes in front of president Y, he signs it without reading it, he’s asked about it 30 minutes later and has no clue what it is.
The “Biden Autopen Scandal” is something you’ll hear about at least weekly in conservative media. Especially when Epstein comes up again.
It’s always projection.
Auto-pen.
Every accusation is a confession.
This adage is still valid, counts everytime
Chad Gilmartin, a Justice Department spokesperson, said the “website was updated after a technical error where one of the signatures President Trump personally signed was mistakenly uploaded multiple times due to staffing issues caused by the Democrat shutdown.”
Too funny. Not only is nothing republicans’ fault, even when they are totally in control of a situation, but it must also be the fault of democrats.
Darryl Strawberry now there’s a name I haven’t heard in a while lol, JFC. Seems pretty clear he or someone is selling pardons.
Maybe not, this one could have been a freebie. Trump is from Queens and his mind is permanently stuck in the 80’s. Darryl was a star for the Mets in the 80s and probably one of the few baseball players his dementia addled brain can remember.
That had crossed my mind as well hahaha.
Honestly, if Trump was gonna give anyone a pardon from the 86 Mets, my money would have been on Lenny Dykstra. Not because he deserves one, but his transgressions (fraud, money laundering, indecent exposure, racist taunts) are all things Trump thinks are not real crimes.
In fact, before writing this I had to go and check and make sure he was not only still alive, but also not still in jail. I guess he had a stroke last year, though, which still makes me sad, even though he turned out to be not the nicest person. I remember that walk-off HR in the 86 World Series like it was yesterday.
This is my shocked face.
