He gets out of Windows! 😀👍
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Wine was actually a good tip hahah
“No, you don’t understand, Linux is not desktop ready, I know that because I installed Fedora back in 2008 and it was kinda wonky.”
On a serious note, having used Linux on and off since the 90s (aah, Slackware, how I miss installing you from floppies … not), Linux has, IMHO, actually been desktop ready for ages (though definitelly not in the days of Slackware when configuring X was seriously interesting for a geek and pretty much an impossible barrier for everybody else).
The problem have always been applications not having Linux builds, only Windows builds, not the actual desktop Linux distros being an inferior desktop experience than Windows (well, not once Gnome and KDE emerged and made things like configuring your machine possible via GUIs - the age of the RTFF and editing text files in the command line before that wasn’t exactly friendly for non-techies).
In other words, from maybe the late 00s onwards the problem were mainly the “networks effects” (in a business sense of "apps are made for Windows because that’s were users are, users go for Windows because that’s were the apps are) rather than the “desktop” experience.
The almost unassailable advantage of Windows thanks to pretty much just network effects, was something most of us Linux fans were aware since way back.
What happened in the meanwhile to make Linux more appealing “in the Desktop” was mainly on the app availabilty side - OpenOffice (later LibreOffice and derivatives) providing an Office-style suit in Linux, the movement from locally hosted apps to web-hosted apps meaning that a lot of PC usage was really just browser usage, Wine improving by leaps and bounds and making more and more Windows applications run in Linux (most notably and also thanks to DXVK, Games) and so on.
Personally I think Linux has been a superior experience on the server side since the late 90s and, aside for the lack of Linux versions of most commonly used non-OS applications, a superior experience in the desktop since the 00s.
To make a long post short, windows is shitty but its setup bullshit is very straight forward and clear to deal with, linux is great when it works but its setup bullshit is byzantine as all hell. I got Linux working with only light bullshit on a laptop but just gave up entierly after 3 days of trying to get different distros at different advice working on my desktop.
True. Linux supports a lot of hardware. However some distros support some better than others.
Basically before you buy hardware you need to check if it works on Linux. Usually it does, but better check throughly
I suspect Mint would work fine on that same desktop at this point, since it was just very new at the time and support take a bit to come in, but now its all set up how I want. Perhaps when windows next shits itself and I need to re-format anyway.
Ironically, for me, Arch has been the “Just Works” Distro lol.
Integrate, adapt, overcome.
I don’t know, the most whining I see here on Lemmy is from Linux people.
That’s just the ones who don’t use Arch.
I use Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarch
I bet that, like most Arch users, that one kept on thinking “So far, so good” all the way down.
“I can’t switch, there’s this one function of this one programme that I may need in the next 50 years.”
There’s a Linux app for that but the buttons are in different places
“There’s this obscure function in Excel that I know somebody who knows somebody who used it that won’t work in LibreOffice Calc”
“They told me to type words into a black screen with green letters, and the mere suggestion burned down my house and killed my family.”
“But I am more than happy to root around the registry and make changes to obscure variables that will be reverted in the next update”
Yes, do as I say!
That man’s home address?
/dev/lp0Ah yeah that’s a bug. Should be a fix in a few days
No, it’s a feature.
Still needs a toggle. What is this? North Korea?
Ahem… I believe you mean BEST KOREA.
Excel tables.
No Linux/OSS app can do this (and will likely never). Open Office devs have outright declared they won’t.
Or the automated process that export/import data via excel.
Let’s see you rebuild all those things, without man hours or errors. Costly errors.
Whenever someone gets on a “just switch” campaign (whether it’s something like Linux or Metric), I know they’ve never had to work on a migration project and seen the challenges, difficulties, and risk.
I use Linux for servers, but I’ll be damned if I’m gonna spend time converting my workstation - there’s zero value in it for me when I have decades of tools and process. The value proposition just isn’t there.
Don’t go taking down a fence until you fully understand what it’s for.
OnlyOffice is supposed to be better than OpenOffice for Microsoft documents
Not to mention that LibreOffice has all but replaced OpenOffice as the latter is virtually unmaintained.
Can confirm
Can the web version of Excel do tables? I know that it’s a lesser version of the desktop app, but if tables was the most advanced feature you need, that could be an option.
Fair enough. Excel is pretty complicated.
I:
A) Try Wine. No? Ok…
B) Hello windows using friend or relative, can I borrow your PC for 30 min? No? Ok…
C) Hey work IT man, so, I know this is dumb but I need to run a program called pkhex. Yeah it’s a hex editor specifically for pokemon hex files. Yeah I can get you anything on your cart. I can get you a legit Mew, even change your OT name from whatever you thought was cool in 1998. Ok so I need admin to download that real fast because I run Fedora, you bring your cart tomorrow and we can do this on lunch.
Typically option B is enough lol.
You jest but the pain is real. Developing a Windows only software for work in a Windows only environment.
Wine?
Using Wine directly is a bit of a pita.
Hence why there are things like Bottles.
Now we need a windows compatibility program called “com-plain”
Simplified communication, components, compatibility, whatever makes the backronym work
alias complain=protonComponent Object Model?
It helps but it’s too expensive to distribute to everyone.
Where’s Jesus when you need him?
There’s a “defenestrate” joke here somewhere.
Yup, fella left Windows through the pain of installing Arch
More like Parabola, judging by the trajectory!
theres a plasma window decoration called klassy that has a bunch of presets. all the windows-like presets are called defenestrated (followed by the number of whatever version of windows it is like).
Complain, then switch to Linux and use WINE to run that piece of software that you just can’t do without or replace.
Why not all 3? I love complaining.
We had a quip in the bug tracker at a company I worked at:
Man developed speech because of his deep need to complain.
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hineLearning Linux feels a bit like that.
I’ll whine until there is a solution for anticheat
There are solutions. Those developers/publishers would rather have kernel level anticheats than use any of them.
As long as you’re whining to the game publishers, not Linux people who are not only technically unable but also legally prohibited from doing anything about it.
It’s important to place the blame where it belongs.
Whine with your dollars, the companies that make the decision don’t give a fuck about shit else.
