Same for the other side. All the countless times where God miraculously saves the plane in the last moment lost to history. No news report, no one will check the black box. It’s just another Tuesday
Oh, you’re trolling. Alright, fair enough. I gotta ask though, why troll in defense of the christians? They’re doing more than enough to destroy society without your helping out on their behalf by sowing nonsense like this.
Yes, but absence of evidence isn’t evidence for anything.
It’s wild how many need to find them some scientific method.
I was only pointing out, in my original comment, that I’m sure around the world people pray/say all sorts of things when a plane is crashing, not just the Christian god. But because they’re only focusing on crashes in the US, they are concluding that everyone prays to god (presumably, the Christian one).
so you didn’t know which god saved them either. It could be the flying spaghetti monster. (note the existence of this religion is literally based on your statement)
note the existence of this religion is literally based on your statement
That’s demonstrably false. I made my statement yesterday and religions exist for way over 70 years. Destroyed by pure logic. Checkmate atheist.
If you want to know what really starts religions, check out Daniel O. McClellan’s book “YHWH divine images” chapter 2. You find the PDF for free just by searching the title.
Yes, but importantly you can’t demonstrate that it was a god that saved them. We’ll deal with the issue of which one it was once we get past that first problem.
That’s demonstrably false.
Er… Well, this seems like a great opportunity for you to prove that. Though I suspect you misunderstood the initial comment here.
Isnt it though? If i say i own a car but never carry car keys, my home has no garage or on-street parking spot, that is evidence that i dont own a car.
It’s just a twee catchphrase christians came up with to say you can’t prove a negative. It’s not anything new, and it’s not actually contributing anything. It’s a core aspect of “burden of proof”, and this is just a way of shifting said burden to the people asking for evidence of the divine instead of leaving it on the people asserting that the divine exists in the first place.
Did you mean Poe’s Law? That would imply you only made the claim about divine selection bias sarcastically, and we all just thought you were being serious.
It’s because they missed the point of my comment. That it’s selection bias to claim that everyone is praying to the Christian god, when statistically, that can’t be true, even if they are praying.
The selection bias had nothing to do with selecting the planes that crashed, but selecting planes that crashed in the US, which is a much more Christian country than many other places.
I don’t even believe OOP’s premise. There might be a majority with prayers at the end but I don’t think it’s every single one.
I think they only care about the US. It’s not selection bias but ignorance about the rest of the world.
That said, OOP’s argument wasn’t that their god is real but that deep down, everyone is religious. Still they made it into a truth claim about their religion. The commenter took the truth claim and ran with it.
I thought about putting “/s” in my first comment but it didn’t feel quite right. It was more a thought experiment. Applying selection bias to the reply. It was only the second comment when I entered troll mode.
Because there is no magic sky magician letting kids die a gruesome leukemia death, while saving a specific plane because a special favorite person of his happens to be on board the aircraft. There’s just physics and mechanics and pilots and things going right and things going wrong.
That person has gone on to repeatedly double down on the position elsewhere in the comments, I’m afraid to say the hivemind was right on this one and they sure appear to be a whackdoodle that actually believes what they said there.
Same for the other side. All the countless times where God miraculously saves the plane in the last moment lost to history. No news report, no one will check the black box. It’s just another Tuesday
Surely if it was a miracle there’d be some supernatural residue left over. Holy ectoplasm.
The absence of evidence isn’t evidence of absence
There’s a complete absence of evidence for everything you can just make up.
I claim that the universe was created by Ralph the Wonderllama who lives on Proxima Centauri B and who owns all albums by Simply Red.
But hey, no evidence of absence, right? So my claim is valid, right? And you suddenly don’t care how unlikely it is, right?
And I respect that belief
Yeah but respect isn’t proof, and you’re the one that made the assertion requiring evidence here…
And I respect that you are critical of what I said! We need critics to grow. A critical mind is a gift of God
Oh, you’re trolling. Alright, fair enough. I gotta ask though, why troll in defense of the christians? They’re doing more than enough to destroy society without your helping out on their behalf by sowing nonsense like this.
Yes, but absence of evidence isn’t evidence for anything.
It’s wild how many need to find them some scientific method.
I was only pointing out, in my original comment, that I’m sure around the world people pray/say all sorts of things when a plane is crashing, not just the Christian god. But because they’re only focusing on crashes in the US, they are concluding that everyone prays to god (presumably, the Christian one).
so you didn’t know which god saved them either. It could be the flying spaghetti monster. (note the existence of this religion is literally based on your statement)
Neither do you.
That’s demonstrably false. I made my statement yesterday and religions exist for way over 70 years. Destroyed by pure logic. Checkmate atheist.
If you want to know what really starts religions, check out Daniel O. McClellan’s book “YHWH divine images” chapter 2. You find the PDF for free just by searching the title.
Yes, but importantly you can’t demonstrate that it was a god that saved them. We’ll deal with the issue of which one it was once we get past that first problem.
Er… Well, this seems like a great opportunity for you to prove that. Though I suspect you misunderstood the initial comment here.
Isnt it though? If i say i own a car but never carry car keys, my home has no garage or on-street parking spot, that is evidence that i dont own a car.
Wow thats deep
Thanks.
(dunno if you’re being sarcastic)
It’s just a twee catchphrase christians came up with to say you can’t prove a negative. It’s not anything new, and it’s not actually contributing anything. It’s a core aspect of “burden of proof”, and this is just a way of shifting said burden to the people asking for evidence of the divine instead of leaving it on the people asserting that the divine exists in the first place.
why is this being downvoted
Because of Poe’s Law. Sometimes I try to make my intentions obvious but sometimes I just don’t care
Did you mean Poe’s Law? That would imply you only made the claim about divine selection bias sarcastically, and we all just thought you were being serious.
I meant what I said and I said Poe’s Law. I don’t understand your question.
And I didn’t mean that god selects. I meant that we only talk about those who crash. It was a thought experiment
A sarcastic thought experiment, then?
It’s because they missed the point of my comment. That it’s selection bias to claim that everyone is praying to the Christian god, when statistically, that can’t be true, even if they are praying.
The selection bias had nothing to do with selecting the planes that crashed, but selecting planes that crashed in the US, which is a much more Christian country than many other places.
That said, OOP’s argument wasn’t that their god is real but that deep down, everyone is religious. Still they made it into a truth claim about their religion. The commenter took the truth claim and ran with it.
I thought about putting “/s” in my first comment but it didn’t feel quite right. It was more a thought experiment. Applying selection bias to the reply. It was only the second comment when I entered troll mode.
Because there is no magic sky magician letting kids die a gruesome leukemia death, while saving a specific plane because a special favorite person of his happens to be on board the aircraft. There’s just physics and mechanics and pilots and things going right and things going wrong.
The comment is obviously sarcasm / a joke
Making the sarcastic statement that “we don’t hear about god saving planes at the last moment but it does happen”
That person has gone on to repeatedly double down on the position elsewhere in the comments, I’m afraid to say the hivemind was right on this one and they sure appear to be a whackdoodle that actually believes what they said there.