They expected the victim to endure what they personally would not. Pretty typical for lousyana.
ITT: We victim blame.
The principal, Danielle Coriell, said an investigation came up cold that day as no student took responsibility. The deputy assigned to the school searched social media for the images unsuccessfully, according to a recording of the disciplinary hearing.
“I was led to believe that this was just hearsay and rumors,” the girl’s father said, recounting a conversation he had that morning with the school counselor.
But the girl was miserable, and a police incident report showed more girls were reporting that they were victims, too. The 13-year-old returned to the counselor in the afternoon, asking to call her father. She said she was refused.
When the girl stepped onto the bus 15 minutes later, the boy was showing the AI-generated images to a friend. Fake nude images of her friends were visible on the boy’s phone, the girl said, a claim backed up by a photo taken on the bus. A video from the school bus showed at least a half-dozen students circulating the images, said Martin, the superintendent, at a school board meeting.
ITT: We leave out the reasons for things that happened to shape the narrative into what we prefer.
Fed up, she attacked a boy on the bus, inviting others to join her
She physically assaulted someone and tried to get others to join in and got punished for it. Being a victim of one thing doesn’t justify becoming a perpetrator of something else.
Hey man if you distribute porn of someone non consenting, you deserve at least a solid punch in the face.
What harm is done that is severe enough to justify violence? There was in no imminent threat of physical harm to themselves or others. Nobody is in danger. The content in question also isn’t actually them. Being violent just because your feeling are hurt is barbaric and has no place in a society. Violence is not acceptable.
- It’s more than just feelings being hurt, this is illegal.
- What does this oh-so-perfect system do? Punishes wrongdoing. Guess what a fist to the face does.
- The harm done is trauma, that poor girl is probably traumatised for life and will most likely need hours of therapy to deal with something like this. Actions hurt people, threats in the physical realm aren’t the only ones that matter.
- You know what’s barbaric? A society where this sort of antisocial, criminal, traumatising behaviour goes unpunished. This is sexual harassment and the school didn’t want bad press so they just shrugged it off. She was forced to take matters into her own hands when the sexual harassment continued.
- She didn’t lash out of legalities.
- Nobody claimed perfection
- Violence doesn’t heal trauma
- Her actions made the situation worse for herself and likely did not do anything to stop the sharing of images.
Hard disagree. What other option did she have at this point, she tried following proper channels to get the bullying resolved and when that didn’t work, did the only other thing she could.
The system not making her feel better is not justification for violence. Taking justice into ones own hands with violence is not acceptable. Period. We are not barbarians or wild animals. She could have gone to her parents, a counselor or a trusted adult to help her manage her emotions over the situation until a better resolution could be reached. While it is understandable to want to be violent when feelings are hurt, it isn’t acceptable to throw hands, or to encourage others to help you violently assault someone. Her violence will do absolutely nothing to stop the sharing of the photos, it will only appease her momentary desire to lash out, with worse consequences, like getting suspended.
It was foolish, impulsive, unhelpful and unacceptable.
To play devil’s advocate, at that point she had photographic evidence of this happening, so she could have gone back to the school/police with it and let them handle it.
I would 100% go far further if this arrive to my daughter. I would go yo police reporting school sponsored diffusion of pedo pornography. And ruin the school reputation and have all parents involved. This would make me go thermonuclear.
I knew there’d be some one like you in here spreading some victim blame around.
If you think accountability is victim blaming then your worldview is not worth listening to.
Schrödinger accountability ? Be harassed and humiliated daily : nothing. Defend yourself : punition. She would have not strike him but the society forced her.
Responding to a non-physical threat with physical violence is not acceptable. Society did not force her, she chose to be violent.
Can we just criminalise possession of photos, art, or AI art depicting children in sexual situations and teach kids that this is unacceptable behaviour?
At the very least, the boy who made the images should be made to register as a sex offender, and everyone who had the images (whether they shared them or not) should have their phones confiscated and either destroyed, or wiped and given to charity. Preferably to a battered women’s shelter. They should all stand as an example to their peers to teach the school that possessing sexual images of minors (even faked by AI) is not acceptable and they will lose their phones. Any parent who tries to retaliate should be referred to the police — with proof of what their kid(s) had on their phone. So either “take the lesson and walk away, or face potential CSAM-related charges.” I think most parents would opt for the former.
Who decides if it’s a sexual situation or what that means?
There’s a test that the courts have, actually. Stewart’s test for obscenity, or basically, “I know it when I see it.”
It’s not a perfect test, there’s lots of edge cases where it fails, but it’s not nothing. It’d definitely work in this case.
In Switzerland, where I’m from, possession of such material is both criminalised and you’re also taught in school that you need to immediately call the police and delete the photos if you receive them and don’t want major trouble. It seems to me like it’s working pretty well, as I only ever see news of underage people being sexualised in the USA, even though I try to avoid negative news from there as much as possible.
Anime is immediately illegal
They dont HAVE to draw sexualized children so maybe if it was banned they’d shift away from that.
I already supported CerebralHawks’s idea, you don’t have to sell it to me
Good
Woah there. As shit of a thing he did, he himself is child. Don’t ruin his life over it.
Yes. Ruin the victim’s life instead.
Grow up and use your brain and realize that you can handle this without doing either of those things
And yet, oddly enough, that’s not what actually happens in most cases of sexual assault.
There’s a reason why women don’t report rapes.
If only the law had a way of handling juveniles. It’s too bad nobody bothered to deal with that entire subset of criminals. We’ve only had a few centuries… Ah well, write your congressman. /s
Everyone at some point wished to “be with” the prettiest girl or most handsome boy in class or the teacher or friend. We just didn’t have AI in school back in our day. Looks like its a bad idea, so we should just not give AI to kids. No phone or AI until you’re 18.
It was likely due to the publicity of the case, but nonetheless the police did their job in this one.
“According to a release from the Lafourche Parish Sheriff’s Office, a male student is now facing 10 counts of unlawful dissemination of images created by artificial intelligence, and more charges could come.”
Nah, I’m pretty sure making AI porn of a minor is something any police force would shit bricks over.
You would be mistaken. Cops dont even investigate rape most times. There are precients where they have thousands of backlogged rape kits they havent even processed, much less started investigating.
This case went viral immediatly and brought on a lawsuit. I guarentee both of those facts are what made sure it got actual attention from the cops involved.
Let’s take a moment to realize that 95% of you hadn’t heard of cafe mom as an outlet until just now. And that the article’s headline is misleading/tabloidy at best. And while the rest seems well researched, it’s clearly misleading a bit. If you start beating a kid on the bus and ask others to join in, it’s not a surprise that you get suspended. Yes, she’s also the victim of terrible bullying and felt let down by the faculty (who - understandably - may need more than hearsay before they start taking action). You can still not beat people up. Nobody doesn’t understand that she did it. And indeed even the police looks at all of this as mitigating circumstances. And she’s back in school and on probation and that’s hopefully what they do with all kids who start fistfights. The buried headline is that the other kid is under police investigation, which has the potential not only to get him suspended after all but will have even more serious consequences. From what I read here, the system works as well as it can but the story is written to cause outrage.
I understand that victims of bullying like this or sexual assault in general face an uphill battle they never wanted to fight. And with the details in this story I can totally understand why the girl snapped. And I wish her nothing but the best and appropriate punishment for the kids who circulated the images. And still, you can’t resort to violence and expect not to be punished for it. We are not talking about self defense here.
Let’s think about that more. What if she didn’t do anything violent. Then the school buries it all… What then? Then you risk her family finding out, right? Can you imagine what an angry violent parent might do? … Shit, the boy is lucky she attacked him. So is the school.
And still, you can’t resort to violence and expect not to be punished for it. We are not talking about self defense here.
We actually are talking about self defence here. The thirteen year old girl is the victim of a sex crime. A sex crime, I should note, that the authorities she duly reported it to treated lackadaisically doing minimal “investigation” and then nothing.
When you
feelare abandoned by your supposed protectors, and when you see the attacks happening again right in front of you, as well as attacks on your friends, you’re going to take your defence in your own hands. Anybody who thinks this is wrong, but handwaves away everything that happened beforehand, is an idiot.i don’t understand the need to pretend that she did anything wrong
What happened to her is extremely terrible and people just get was too emotional and turn off their brains so that they can let the anger make them feel just
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Sorry, if a child goes to the school and makes the allegations she did and the school’s response is “I don’t believe you” and then after a second time of reporting it to the school the response is “I can’t find the images on Facebook, I don’t believe you” and “no you can’t contact your parents” it’s frankly inevitable that this would escalate.
Yes it is, but that’s not the point the poster was making.
I myself am a school bus driver and I can tell you that if anyone started beating a kid like that, they’re getting suspended. It doesn’t even matter why. If it’s everyone enough the other kid could be suspended too if they did something awful to start the fight, but that’s just not something you can do.
Let’s take a moment to realize that 95% of you hadn’t heard of cafe mom as an outlet
Cafemom linked to the AP article they shortened.
you can’t resort to violence and expect not to be punished for it.
No one is saying that. But you should stop looking for a perfect victim and look at how many adults failed her. The actual issue is she already gone to guidance counselor, principals and school sheriff looking for help but nothing happened. Even at her young age, she is learning that women are not believed while being sexually harassed. She already attempted to deal with the problem “the right way”.
The girls begged for help, first from a school guidance counselor and then from a sheriff’s deputy assigned to their school. But the images were shared on Snapchat, an app that deletes messages seconds after they’re viewed, and the adults couldn’t find them. The principal had doubts they even existed.
With the mocking unrelenting, the girl texted her sister, “It’s not getting handled.” As the school day wound down, the principal was skeptical. At the disciplinary hearing, the girl’s attorney asked why the sheriff’s deputy didn’t check the phone of the boy the girls were accusing and why he was allowed on the same bus as the girl. “Kids lie a lot,” responded Coriell, the principal. “They lie about all kinds of things. They blow lots of things out of proportion on a daily basis. In 17 years, they do it all the time. So to my knowledge, at 2 o’clock when I checked again, there were no pictures.”
It’s easy to armchair moralize that this child acted inappropriately. But I think the best quote of the article is…
“When we ignore the digital harm, the only moment that becomes visible is when the victim finally breaks,”
Too add on here, the pricipals defense for doing nothing about what the girl and her friends reported worked out to “ive been doing this for a long time, and kids lie a lot.”
Thats it. As usual, a victim of sexual harrasement gets told that since they dont have irrefutable proof, the “system” wont do anything. They didnt even act to seperate the two students from riding the same bus for 1 day.
Its no wonder the girl took action.
I mentioned that I do understand why she did what she did. You add more information to this story that only increase understanding as far as I’m concerned.
Let me turn this into an extreme example for comparison’s sake. If a parent shot their child’s rapist and murderer, we all get it. Nobody will say “I have no idea why they would do such a thing.” A lot of us outsiders would look at that case and even be glad about this outcome. And at the same time, the mother or father would end up in prison. Because you cannot take the law in your own hands and expect not to be punished for that. There will be mitigating circumstances, they won’t go in for life. The punishment might just be exactly the time they spent in custody before their trial. But there will be punishment because we have rules about that. (Obviously, this example is not the same as this case of bullying. I’m only using it to compare consequences.)
Was this self defense? She was just defending her digital privacy? I’m not a lawyer. As a layman, I’m going to say this does not meet the legal criteria. Morally? Absolutely.
We can meter out appropriate punishment to everybody else here: the school that maybe responded badly. The parents of the dipshits who got their hands on an undress app. The fact that there are undress apps available to middle schoolers or anybody really. Etc. But we also have the benefit of hindsight.
You and I get why she threw punches. We might even go as far as cheering her on, in our heads, had we somehow been there. Go get those bastards, black eyes for all of them. My point was merely that if you resorted to violence like that you cannot expect not to be punished for it. Like in my extreme example, there are mitigating circumstances. Plenty of them. All should be considered. But there will be something on the record. In this case the suspension/probation, which I hoped is the punishment for every fight.
She got suspended and he didn’t (yet, as we find out halfway through). The headline of the linked article in the post implied that this was the outrageous part. My criticism was aimed first and foremost at the writer/editor of that article.
Was this self defense? She was just defending her digital privacy? I’m not a lawyer. As a layman, I’m going to say this does not meet the legal criteria. Morally? Absolutely.
Why do you say that?
She was being harmed and so she defended herself, and the harm stopped. Looks like self-defense to me.
In my view, self defense is a legal defense when somebody used violence to defend themselves against an immediate threat of physical harm. I don’t see how, legally, you could expand the parameters to fit this case. But I’m also not a lawyer.
The argument it seems to me you could be building here is that the victim of despicable bullying, ignored and misunderstood by all the authorities, lashed out out of desperation. And that in itself is an act of self defense. I think that’s a moral way to look at it, but not a legal one. The latter will look at this exactly as mitigating circumstances.
What is required is that there is a reasonable belief that they are in imminent physical danger. There are other factors, like attempting to deescalate and such, but she actually did that when she begged her school for help.
And being sexually harassed is reasonable reason to believe that they are in danger of sexual assault, or worse.
That’s why, when the police got involved, the boy was arrested and now faces 10 charges. She has not been arrested and is not facing charges. Legally, she seems to be in the clear.
You clearly have a different take on the situation. A bunch of dipshits showing deepfakes around on a bus, ostensibly with other people around who are not party to this dispute and a grownup in the driver’s seat, does not convince me that even your interpretation applies here. But neither one of us was present, we are both arm chairing this, we are just sitting in different arm chairs. Let’s leave it at that.
You’re the only one armchairing this and quite poorly. You seem to have a cop-drama level understanding of laws.
I’m not going to leave it. You’re wrong and you need to know it.
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It wasn’t just one instance on the bus. These AI nudes were being traded around for a while and it wasn’t just happening to this one girl either. There were multiple victims that already been going to the school and the police for help. This was, essentially, a child pornography ring.
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In the aftermath we see that the police also interpret the situation the way I do, which is why they arrested the boy while the girl who beat him up was not arrested. Not to say that the police should be totally trusted in legal matters, obviously, it’s up to the court to determine the facts from here. I don’t think the court is going to be sympathetic to this little creep.
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In light of the fact that she and the other girls went to the authorities, what the fuck else were they supposed to do? Because it looks like beating this little creep up was actually the correct decision, because it got the legal ball rolling.
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I read the actual article when it was posted on social media weeks ago right after it happened.
I want you to understand something. Revenge porn is a crime and a horribly traumatizing experience. She didn’t beat the kid up. She hit him. He didn’t end up in hospital.
The school literally is at fault because they didn’t actually do their due diligence to find out what happened and make even the most miniscule attempt to prevent the circulation of such photos. They expected a child or group of children to admit to circulating pornographic materials. If the school bus has video/photo evidence that this student had or circulated those materials he should be facing expulsion.
What we have to look at is whether or not this was self defense. I’d argue that the victim was trying to defend her right to privacy and to not have pornography materials of her spread around the school. This was defense of her mental health when the system failed.
I’d argue that while I don’t condone fighting this is exactly the situation that leads to it and the school administration let it happen. Why did they allow these kids to get on the same bus? Why was she refused permission to call home? Why didn’t they have her parent or guardian come pick her up?
There were multiple points where the school could have done something to mitigate the circumstances around this assault. They didn’t. They failed. And then they punished her and did nothing to fix the situation where a real and serious criminal act involving CP circulation was happening.
That’s bullshit.
Edit: You know what I think is even more bullshit? The situation probably wouldn’t have gotten a resolution at all if she hadn’t “snapped” . There’s thousands of kids getting bullied everyday who don’t snap and the only time their situation changes is when they are perceived to have done something wrong due to continued abuse being heaped upon them that the adults do nothing about. That’s not okay.
It was self defense as far as I’m concerned.
Also? It got the police involved, and now the creep is facing charges.
If this was my daughter i’d have thrown her a party after beating those little shits. Violence is the answer if people in authority are not addressing the situation. It always has been the answer since most of history.
^ = why gun ownership should be criminalised
Really? I would have said because of all the school shootings.
The headline is unequivocally false. She was suspended for attacking her bully. The AI nudes had nothing to do with the school’s decision to suspend her.
that’s a fucking glaring issue
Woah there.
We don’t read articles.
We just circle jerk over how obviously smarter than everyone else we are.
Stop ruining the fun dude. If I wanted logic and common sense I’d be touching grass, not in Lemmy.
How dare you make a reasonable take and argument off of a clickbait article!?
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Late stage of a porn agenda indoctrinated dwarf… the kind of stuff that happens in the dystopian POV of a porn addict…
