• NoiseColor @lemmy.world
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    In don’t think any political analyst ever thought Greenland would be in question.

    These are truly shocking times no matter how anyone saw it coming.

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      Venezuela is Sudetenland. Greenland is Danzig and the Polish corridor. Canada is the Elzas and France.

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        Venezuela is the Caucuses oil fields, which Hitler should have taken right off before starting a Western front. That lesson is not lost on these modern fascists.

        Sharp call on the Polish corridor! As the Arctic warms there will be year-round shipping lanes.

        Not ready for Canada yet, but it’s coming.

        Scariest part? The fascists are on the clock to achieve their goals before the cult leader’s dementia takes him off camera. They’re already struggling with unavoidable appearances, like Trump’s disastrous meeting with the Prime Minister of Japan. For now, they can hide him on his bad days.

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        Wait, so where is Canada now?!

        Dangit! All my hockey greats and favorite power trios were there!

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      Greenland is of vast strategic importance as global warming rolls on. You can bet plenty of people saw that fact, just not us little people.

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        Not really a fixation that’s too strong of a word.

        Besides Denmark let’s US do whatever they want there , always have.

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        In the context of Arctic defense, the GIUK gap and Thule airbase, sure. Those were considered strategically important things during the Cold War, and rightly so.

        But “it looks big on the map and it’s closer to me than to you and I want it and I have more guns so give it to me now” is just Trump.

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    When Steven Miller said that Greenlands population was “only” 30k and then didn’t say anything for a few seconds afterwards gave me a chill. Things are going to get out of hand globally soon.

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    A democracy reflects it’s voters opinions. I’m not shocked that the Trump government would do this, but had Biden or Obama done the same, well I wouldn’t believe it.

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      I don’t consider the US a democracy or the state reflective of the people’s will. It often acts far outside of the people’s will.

      The US is only a democracy for the business owning elite and its policy reflects that. I agree that someone like Obama wouldn’t do this but that’s exactly why Trump is in power now. The monopoly capitalists need someone like him to maintain their position of power, local and geopolitical.

      Only 1/3 of Americans voted for Trump and of that 1/3 the vast majority deeply misunderstand his purpose and goals within the state.

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        Never heard that definition before, could you define it? The official designation of the US is a federal presidential republic, a presidential democracy, no?

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          Bourgeois democracy is a democracy for the business/land owning class. In the US it is largely the large business and land owners that have real economic control. They accomplish this through lobbying and control of political parties through donations and vetting candidates or becoming elected officials themselves. Most of our politicians are landlords or business owners. All of them are involved in the stock market and this makes them materially interested in maintaining the capitalist mode of production as well as imperialism. This is why popular policies amongst the working class don’t get passed if they reduce profit margins for the bourgeois. Policies like universal healthcare and ending the forever wars won’t happen because they harm the bourgeois which actually control the state. Housing as a right will never happen because it would harm the investments of landlords which actually control the state. This is bourgeois democracy. Its a democracy in which the bourgeois fight over how best to profit of our labor and how best to maintain that system of exploitation. Bourgeois democracy is effectively a dictatorship of the capitalist over the working class. They only let us choose which flavor of exploitation we get.

          If you are open to more radical literature that can explain it to you better than I just did I recommend The State and Revolution

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            Interesting. This doesn’t seem to be a established concept within political science, or at least, it’s the first I’ve heard of it. Why?

            Anyway, economic power doesn’t necessarily translate into political power but then again, maybe so in the US. However, the US has passed plenty of policies reducing profit margins for the rich, so it seems like this does not hold true?

            I don’t consider Marxism or Lenin radical and have read some, but thank you!

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      A democracy reflects it’s voters opinions

      The US has always been a very flawed democracy at best, though, with government policy reflecting the wants of the already rich and powerful few MUCH more often than the needs of everyone else regardless of which of only two major parties is in control.

      It’s just become more obvious now that the establishment-friendly mainstream media are no longer the primary source of information and one of the parties has gone full fascist and anti-competence.

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        Can’t remember when Obama bypassed congress and attacked another country, but I must confess I don’t have a 1:1 timeline of Obama’s presidency.

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          Obama literally attacked Libya without congressional authority and that’s not even the only time he bypassed them. His government argued the 2001 AUMF gave him the authority to do so which is the same law Trump is using for his strikes.

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            Thank you! That’s an example on the same niveau. Do American presidents need congressional authority to follow resolutions by the Security Council?

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          I consider bombing weddings, starting the policy of drone strikes, starting the double tap policy (war crime btw), and expanding the Iraq war which led to the death of over a million Iraqis to be fucking awful. Tbh thats not even half of the awful shit he did in service of American imperialism, just the worst examples I could think of on the spot. Congressional approval of these actions doesn’t make them any less bad and we shouldn’t be upset with Trump for bypassing congress, we should be upset over his ceaseless murder of innocent people and violations of foreign political sovereingty. Why does the decorum of politics matter more to you than the immense violence of the American war machine?

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            There’s no discussion of how horrendous any of that are, but that is not what I wrote about.

            Congressional approval of these actions doesn’t make them any less bad and we shouldn’t be upset with Trump for bypassing congress

            Good for you if you can disregard unlawful and unilateral actions of a fascist. However as I wrote, I cant see neither Biden nor Obama act in such a way and would they have, I would have been extremely surprised.

            Why does the decorum of politics matter more to you than the immense violence of the American war machine?

            🙄

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    Any reasonable politically-astute observer in Europe would be aware of what a flaming bag of shit donald trump is. They would also be aware that his administration is beyond hope as a collection of corrupt incompetents and power hungry substance abusers.

    Simply put, don’t believe the hype that this is representative of more than the repugnant, congealed mass of demented republicans who run power politics with a bottomless pit of money and avarice.

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      Those republicans represent a real desire for political change amongst a section of the ruling class (immensely wealthy business owners like Musk, Thiel, Zuckerberg, Bezos, etc) getting rid of the Republicans in power won’t fix the reason they came into power in the first place. The fascist current in America is a continuity of American political trajectory for the past few decades and functions as a response to the failures of neoliberalism. It represents a failure of economic systems not corrupt individuals with bad ideals and you simply can’t fix that by putting someone else in charge, you can only delay it at best. Systemic problems require systemic solutions.

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      Most European GOVERNMENTS, maybe, but I highly doubt that most European residents do.

      Just because it’s worse in the US doesn’t mean that European countries have governments that always faithfully express the sentiment of the population.

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      Well the thing is that we’re all related. The European people and the American people generally have a good time when they hang out.

      If only the American people were in charge of their government, we wouldn’t be in this situation.