Yeah, there’s no hope… we’re beyond fucked…
Ya… I just lose any remaining faith/hope after seeing this kind of statistics. How is it possible, after all that has been happening under the Trump name, to still think that the country is “ok”.
I am in the EU, but we have Trump apologists here as well, and our own version of right-wing people. They are basically all the same, a copy of each other. And every time I try to get some sense into them, I just find out that that is not possible. They just live in a completely different reality. Their brain is not receptive to facts and truth and any sort of empathy. They are highly emotional people, and their emotion is hate. They hate all groups of people that are not them. They are homophobic, they are transphobic, they are sexist, they are racist and they are xenophobic. They have no principles other than hate. They are not coherent in their beliefs, only hate. They are tribal.
I just don’t see a way forward. I think we have to go without them. Maybe some of them, the ones that are not quite yet lost, can be reasoned with. Maybe the way to get them to change is to show them that their personal lives would improve under a leftist government. But convincing them of that is just so hard to do. You have to turn off their hate, which I have not been able to do it yet.
to think it’s ok.
Not even that, to think it’s BETTER. Brainless automatons.
Makes sense. It’s always been the minority that support trump.
The US is not a democracy
Pure and utter delusion is the only way anyone could find this to be “better off”
All this only makes Putin very, very happy.
We’re fucking doomed
yup
This is why I don’t think it’s a good idea to live in America. America is rapidly on its way to becoming a failed state. It’s best to move to other countries that still know that up is up and down is down, 2+2=4.
Is it easy to just move to another country?
I meet people for work trying to move here from various European countries… not the ones at war right now. I’m just like not to be rude but why
That’s kinda obvious though, isn’t it? I don’t think many people are choosing to move to the USA nowadays. And the ones that already live there can’t really just move out - either due to family ties, bureaucracy or lack of resources to do so. I’m guessing that the last one is the biggest factor.
America seems pretty big on making their citizens under-educated and deeply indebted. Most other countries don’t let you migrate into them unless you can prove that you’re financially stable and can hold down employment. My parents moved from Russia to Germany about 20 years ago, and that was only possible because they were highly educated and the company that my father was brought in to work for could prove that literally no other candidate in Europe could do the job.
Now imagine you’re an american kid, either fresh out of college with a ton of debt or never having done college with no proof of education. Either way, there’s a good chance your only previous employment was in the gig economy. The chance that any other country would happily let you move in is pretty slim…
Check. Done.
up is up and down is down, 2+2=4
You’ve got a source on that? /s
Does up is up and down is down account for the curvature of space time?
Motherfucker blew through nearly 3 trilly in a single year and 1 in 5 people in this dumbfuck country are like “doesn’t look like anything to me.”
there’s always going to be a big chunk that support him no matter what. They simply have no values aside from “Trump good”.
They don’t know how bad it is because they get their news from megacorps who will NEVER tell them such facts.
Blame the people who have control. Not the people struggling to make sense of mountians of capitalist propaganda on a middleschooler’s education.
Eh.
I went to public school. I even have a MAGAt parent.
I didn’t end up MAGA stupid.
Yeah, the odds are stacked against the average American, but that doesn’t give them a pass to be stupid enough to vote for fascism.
A lot of them watch that corpo news because it reinforces what they already want to believe. Many of them are just fucking racists.
You’re on Lemmy. We’re already pre-selected to be not complete and utter dumbasses.
Reinforcement of belief is comfortable to all animals, let alone humans.
Sure, a TON of MAGAts are hateful, especially after ten years to wake the fuck up, but to pretend conservatives and fascists aren’t exploiting basic animal insecurity is to absolutely and completely fail to understand how this shit grabs people.
Something tells me he developed his political opinions before joining Lemmy…
Hey! Those putting greens ain’t gonna water themselves!
“Nu uh DOGE saved us trillions from Biden’s corrupt government!”
The high “better off” opinion of the conservatives is probably based on “it is fashionable again to be openly racist”, nothing more.
A big percentage of that is people believing Fox News telling them things are better.
My maga relatives have talked recently, again, about how much safer DC is and how the economy is “now going like gangbusters”. They really believe it.
Simple questions like “how” and “why” completely derail them.
Not in my experience. They just give really vague answers and either ignore or get upset when you press for more detail. Or tell you things that simply aren’t true
Nahhhhhh, don’t forget the tax breaks going to rich fucks.
The NY Times is undoubtedly skewed towards sampling New Yorkers, who are all biased towards higher tax brackets by the way megalopolis economics work in the first place.
don’t forget the tax breaks going to rich fucks.
“This matters to me because I will be rich one day.”
— Delusional morons.
Especially to those so dangerously close to grabbing the purse strings of the likes of 90’s Trump.
So, 51% of the Americans are utterly stupid.
This is why America deserves this.
51% voted for Trump, and would do so again.
🌎🧑🚀🔫👨🚀
I don’t know. Is this poll representative of the entire voting-eligible population of America? Is it just NYT readers who responded? How do we know the poll results aren’t just made the fuck up? This is far from believable, let alone conclusive.
The survey was conducted among 1,625 registered voters nationwide from Jan. 12 to 17, 2026.
This poll was conducted in English and Spanish, by telephone using live interviewers and by text message. Overall, 98 percent of respondents were contacted on their cellphone.
Voters are selected for the survey from a list of registered voters. The list contains information on the demographic characteristics of every registered voter, allowing us to make sure we reach the right number of voters of each party, race and region. For this poll, interviewers placed more than 188,000 calls or texts to more than 86,000 voters.
To further ensure that the results reflect the entire voting population, not just those willing to take a poll, we give more weight to respondents from demographic groups that are underrepresented among survey respondents, like people without a college degree. You can see more information about the characteristics of our respondents and the weighted sample at the bottom of the page, under “Composition of the Sample.”
The margin of sampling error among registered voters is about plus or minus 2.8 percentage points. In theory, this means that the results should reflect the views of the overall population most of the time, though many other challenges create additional sources of error.
“By telephone” - that there shows the bias in the survey. Younger and more informed people ignore unknown calls due to the risk of social engineers.
1,625 is hardly representative of a data set containing tens of millions
That’s better than I thought, assuming those stats can be believed. NYT has a nasty habit of sanewashing or outright supporting the insane shit this administration does. Thanks for providing the info!
56% of them are partially illiterate or worse.
Got word from an American teacher just the other day. ‘Some of these [high school] kids don’t seem to know how to spell their own name.’
Another from an American adult, ‘I learned more from Ms. Frizzle than my teachers.’ Ms. Frizzle is the teacher from an educational cartoon.
Yeah, I had some teachers when I was in school that would just hand you a paper, hand you a book, and that was it.
I legitimately asked why we couldn’t just do this from home if he was just going to put on earphones and watch a portable tv.
I was told “because then we wouldn’t know if you’re cheating”.
I said “cheating how?” (The internet wasn’t a thing yet)
And he said “by looking up the information in another book”
So I said “First of all, what even is the difference between looking it up in a different book as opposed to look it up in this book? And secondly, if you think I’m too lazy to study with THIS book, what makes you think I’d study with a different book??? It’s the same process!”
And thats how I got detention.
I had some teachers when I was in school that would just hand you a paper, hand you a book, and that was it.
Couldn’t do that if I even tried. I’d be so bored, I’d have to teach just to pass the time quicker lol
I was educated in Australia for quite some time and we kind of formed friendships with our teachers. Always ceremonious thank yous, gifts, and hugs from the class as we’d finish up the year and move onto new teachers.
Will never forget Mr Schwartz, Mr Hornby, and Ms Chamberlain. Teachers that lit up our worlds and had massive respect from all the kids.
I’m reading 32% as “Actually I’m loving this fascism, it’s great” and the remaining 19% as “When you’re at the bottom of the well it’s hard to go lower”.
Neither seem stupid.
That 19 percent doesn’t know or care what’s going on because it hasn’t personally affected them yet.
Most of them are clueless idiots who couldn’t even tell you what’s going on. Stupidity is the biggest factor.
You can say that about the 49% as well.
Fascism is stupid.
I mean, all of what one might construe as benefits of fascism would be better served otherwise: strengthening your country, a sense of belonging, public order…
You’ll experience a much stronger sense of belonging if you don’t push your neighbors to hate you because you’ve arbitrarily decided to hate them and support doing bad things to them.
Letting armed thugs arbitrarily arrest people is not public order, quite the opposite.
Countries which have fully embraced fascism never stayed strong for very long and lost quite a lot in the process. This is when they were ever strong in the first place.
And I’m not even going to talk about the even more blatant lies (family values, moral righteousness, upholding traditions…)
Fascism does seem kinda stupid though.
When you’re under the bootheel, sure. But when it’s your bootheel it seems so much better… at least until it’s your turn on the other side.
Hence the stupid.
I am reminded about many of the black folks around here and their reaction to Trump being reelected: nothing. “It was bad before and it’s gonna continue being bad.” When I was in a workshop with BIPOC folks last year, they were like “white folks are catching onto the reality we’ve been living in for decades.”
“The man on the tv told me it’s better so it must be better”
Probably a bit more than that I’d say.
I mean, over 20 years ago we had a popular tv show called “are you smarter than a 6th grader”.
They’d bring on adults, ask them questions from 6th grade level tests, and see if the contestants could pass. It was a game show.
In an actual educated society, that sounds like the worst idea for a game show. It wouldn’t be challenging, and everyone would win.
Everyone did NOT win.
I think it was 5th graders, ol’ Jeff Foxworthy at the helm.
A mix of “I drink the Kool Aid and it’s good stuff” and “shit sucked before and continues to suck with no change” explains it. There’s also the small psychopath percentage who actually like the cruelty. It’s clarified when looking at the causes and better explains what’s happening than lump it all together as “stupid”.
A broken watch is right twice a day. I think by now it’s fair to say that much more than just 51% of Americans are utterly stupid.
That’s true of all humanity. Stop being a divisive shit. Fascism can (and is) rising elsewhere, so to even imply it’s a uniquely US problem is all of ignorant, wrong, and ignoring the basic tendencies of humans to seek easy answers.
Which you are clearly also succeptible to, BTW.
Oh yes, nothing indicating america is worse than anywhere else!!! Stop pointing fingers!!
Get your shit in order. Some of us are at least trying to provide free education and healthcare.
Like I needed more stats proving America is the land of the stupid.
Trumpers are fucking stupid, and their propaganda is really effective
Effective on stupid, lazy, incurious people who want to be told what they want to hear.
Yes it is, after decades of war on education and anti-intellectualism.
It is easier to fool someone than convince them they have been fooled.
Only prideful cunts. Interesting how people just accept the premise that all of humanity is prideful beyond logical … though to be fair, that does seem to be the truth of the matter!
Fucking brainless, prideful, shitstain humans. We deserve to go extinct.
Pretty sure that 19% were actual bots. Ain’t no fucking way.
And 0% bots on the left leaning side? How incredibly convenient your opinion is.
This was a poll conducted with people, no bots.
And yeah, there are orders of magnitude more bots for the right. The Republican controlled Senate said Russian’s online campaigns were to benefit Trump. There’s no doubt about it.
Based on a New York Times/Siena poll of 1,625 registered voters nationwide conducted Jan. 12 to 17.
While an overwhelming sample size isn’t necessary to extrapolate results, this is poll only represents 0.00001% of voters. One voice in a hundred thousand isn’t enough to make any claim.
Cool ignorance of statistics, brah. Larger populations don’t necessarily require larger samples. They can determine the margin of error from the survey design.
The margin of sampling error among registered voters is about plus or minus 2.8 percentage points. In theory, this means that the results should reflect the views of the overall population most of the time, though many other challenges create additional sources of error.
Cool ignorance of my comment, brah.
Your second sentence and the first from my initial comment are saying the same thing.
Perhaps I should have written ‘doesn’t feel like enough’ instead of ‘isn’t enough’ to convey that it’s just a thought in my head and not an empirically researched fact. Yourself and a few others evidently skipped over the bit where I wrote ‘an overwhelming sample size is not required to extrapolate results’.
All I was intending to convey is that 1,625 is pretty small compared to 150,000,000 voters and I would’ve liked to see a sample size of even one decimal place further to the left. Apologies if I did not adequately frame my thought as strictly opinionated.
Your comment was understood & is still ignorant of statistics exactly as stated. Calling it opinion means about as much as calling “true is false” an opinion.
Yes, you have identified the definition of ignorance - I am not a statistician nor did I look up and reference any studies on the subject of sample size (just as no one in this thread has) before I made a comment on the internet.
Consider my opinion reinvented. In fact, I now agree with @[email protected]. If five hundred is good enough for the electoral college, it’s good enough for statistics.
500 is plenty as long as its random enough.
It is, though, when the selection is functionally binary.
Better / Worse / No Opinion isn’t going to get you a ton of extra information with more responses.
You might be inclined to interrogate individual responses and ask how things have improved / worsened / remained unchanged. And, at that point, a surveying a guy who became a Bitcoin millionaire against a guy who simply enjoys watching his browner neighbors get The Purge treatment matters more. But from the perspective of the “Are things better?” question, the answer is the same.
I’m going to go on a limb and say old conservatives are more likely to respond to a phone survey than Gen Z leftists.
Sure, but you can control for that in your sampling.
I’m not concerned about getting more information, I’m interested in getting more accurate information.
I recognize there isn’t room for diverse answers when the question is ‘choose 1, 2, or 3’. My thought is that turning up in Boulder, Colorado and asking the first person you see if they like chocolate, vanilla, or strawberry ice cream then claiming everyone in the city likes vanilla is misrepresentative.
My thought is that turning up in Boulder, Colorado and asking the first person you see if they like chocolate, vanilla, or strawberry ice cream then claiming everyone in the city likes vanilla is misrepresentative.
You don’t ask the first person you see. You ask fifty or sixty people, get their demographic data, and then feed that into a big pot. Then you pull some of them back out again based on the statistical norms across the whole country.
The principle being that you’re not trying to get the “average” person in Colorado. You’re trying to get the “average” person nationally, with a random sample of Colorado residents feeding that model.
I understand that. However I didn’t choose Boulder, Colorado to ask a national question - I specifically posed a question irrelevant to location because the question being asked is not important to what I was attempting to illustrate.
I chose Boulder for its population size, which is proportionally the same as what the NYT has done. If the survey were completed by 50/100,000 of voters, the sample size would be 0.0005%, which in my opinion is much better than 0.00001%.
On one hand, I mostly agree. On the other, if the sample is correctly created (aka: both “really random” and “really representative”) then it should be enough. The additional problem is that polls are known to be poorly representative, because a lot of people just troll their way through them, giving bullshit answers that are undetectable and pollute the end results. Finally, truly random and truly representative and really hard to achieve, so that’s an additional source of errors.
11% of republicans think he’s doing a bad job. Does the article give a breakout of republicans- ie: are they mostly maga, are they moderates, is it a mixed bag.
There are no more moderate Republicans
There are moderate Republicans. Not in the sense that they’re moderates but in the sense that they’re moderate (compared to MAGA) within the Republican coalition. They’re the Republicans who don’t like MAGA but they’re devout Republicans and will never vote Democrat. That’s probably the 11% who is unhappy with Trump.
If they vote for ‘R’ regardless who is behind the letter, they’re functionally MAGAts all the same.
Probably a decent portion of that is farmers getting screwed.
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