This feels classist. The new York times is a piece of shit.
A LOT of these sources are. The majority, even.
Telemundo and Univision are sadly filled with sensational news casts. And also the Hispanic population is not well represented in college because we’re too dam poor to pay for higher education.
It would be cool to have this kind of data for stuff in my country.
I can’t believe USA Today is so high. Wasn’t it’s whole schtick being ultra simplified?
Well, it’s still below average.
Idiots watch conservative news. Got it.
I mean, we knew that like 100 years ago but. Polls.
those are all conservative news
Idiots watch conservative news. Got it.
I mean, I don’t think this says “Idiots Watch conservative news”. Telemundo isn’t particularly conservative. CBS was the most Liberal Broadcaster of the Big 3 (hence Ellison’s need to buy it out).
I do think this shows US Spanish speakers have more trouble getting into college. And that TV News is more popular among the less educated. But consider that The Atlantic is at the top of the list. And that magazine might as well have been authored by the Cheney administration.
CBS was the most Liberal Broadcaster of the Big 3
You think so? I wouldn’t have agreed, but of course it’s a moot point now. Le sigh.
You think so?
I don’t think it was an accident that Dan Rather was the target for the Killian Documents scandal.
I wouldn’t have agreed, but of course it’s a moot point now.
It’s a low bar. With ABC controlled by Disney and NBC by Microsoft, it was the last organization that could claim a semblance of independence.
Yeah I thought that was particularly odd because of his refusal to do or say anything to otherwise hurt Gee Dubz during the theft if the election, the obvious corruption, war for nothing, and the destruction of privacy. He was a reliable cog in a giant propaganda machine and they decided to fuck with him.
Kind of reminded me of What’s the frequency Kenneth for no real reason.
his refusal to do or say anything to otherwise hurt Gee Dubz during the theft if the election, the obvious corruption, war for nothing, and the destruction of privacy
Rather was way out in front of all three of these stories.
Was he? Hm. I guess I didn’t watch a lot of tv news then.
And the New York Times is there too
Now we have to answer the question : are less educated people drawn to right wing news or are conservative news drawn to less educated people ?
I believe that the conventional wisdom here is that higher education tends to expose you to new ideas that directly challenge the conservative mindset.
Personally i think there are a lot of quite intelligent conservative politicians, so i would hazard to guess that they have identified the easiest blocs of general public to influence and sway the votes they require.
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You think IQ is a measure of intelligence?
I’m guessing you didn’t go to college.
IQ is a measurement showing how good you are at solving IQ tests.
You think IQ is a measure of intelligence?
Very broadly, in the “has the concussion caused permanent damage?” or “is your child suffering from debilitating lead poisoning?” sense. It’s good for diagnosing disability. But the joke of it is that high IQs (and we’re talking legitimately high, not I-took-some-bullshit-test-online high) don’t correlate with specific academic or economic or social aptitudes.
Langan’s high IQ had not led to greater success in life – Langan has no degree, having twice dropped out of college. The book compared him with J. Robert Oppenheimer and focused on the influence of their respective environments on success.
Langan has spent many years working on his idea that he calls the “cognitive-theoretic model of the universe” which proposes that reality is a self-simulation. He self-published a book about it in 2002. In interviews and self-published writings, he has expressed beliefs in a variety of fringe proposals and conspiracy theories, including arguing in favor of eugenics to prevent “genomic degradation”, opposition to interracial relationships, and support for the 9/11 truth movement. His political opinions have gained him a following among the alt-right.
Turns out the natural ability to quickly identify the correct subsequent pattern in a series of patterns only gets you so far.
Could you do it quietly? Kthx.
Just a reminder, having a college degree doesn’t make you smart. Not saying education is bad, but look at conservative media. Plenty of dumb motherfuckers have some sort of degree.
You’re comparing apples to oranges. This is about viewers, not creators. Most of the creators of conservative content know they’re full of shit and only care about getting viewers and making money.
Most of the creators of conservative content know they’re full of shit
I wish this were the case. You definitely have some naked opportunists (ex-liberals like Candice Owens and Bill Maher) who just followed the bouncing paycheck. But the conservative movement has plenty of true believers - folks who absolutely flamed out and destroyed their lives chasing the phantoms of a socio-economic revolution. Media figures like Kash Patel and Mike Pence and JK Rowling and Elon Musk really did down the kool-aid, especially as they grew older and surrounded themselves with far-right Yes Men.
Then you’ve got the money men - Foster Friess, Robert Mercer, Sheldon Adelson, Peter Thiel - who happily liquidated billions of dollars of personal wealth on some real loser candidates and campaigns. For every Donald Trump or Mike Pence, the political graveyard is stuffed with Christine O’Donnells and Richard Mourdocks and Roy Moores. If conservatives could just learn to be normal for one god damned election cycle they might finally secure the Permanent Republican Majority they’ve always pinned after.
I’m not comparing apples to oranges. I’m also talking about views. I know plenty of college educated people who watch fox news and I consider these people some of the dumbest fucking people I work with. They are still college educated views. Hence my statement of being college educated doesn’t mean your smart. 53% of WSJ are college educated and the WSJ has some of the stupidest fucking articles I’ve ever read. And I once had to be subscribed to it for a college class.
True but from my experience people who succeeded in getting a degree from a decent institution tend to be a bit more cerebral. Now there are incresing numbers of sorta crap institutions and im not even sure what the quality of education is like in the modern era at my alma matter. Its kinda to bad we can’t all be able to take a one semester sebattical every 5 years or so and take like 3 classes and live on a campus and see what things are like. It would kinda be cool.
Its kinda to bad we can’t all be able to take a one semester sebattical every 5 years or so and take like 3 classes and live on a campus and see what things are like. It would kinda be cool.
> Show up on campus 5 years later.
> Excited to learn new things, meet new people.
> Wait, no
> nonono
>
> I"m OOOOOOOOLLLLLDDDDDDD!!!
The Atlantic still sucks
I’d be curious to know why, since “sucks” didn’t give me quite enough context, oddly enough.
I could reply with a mess of puffery and lavish language or a ton of nuanced arguments and maybe that – if you’re an Atlantic devotee – might persuade you.
But I think the easiest way to get you to understand my opinion is to encourage you to read it – particularly their opinion pieces – and see for yourself.
(Subscribe via RSS because they likely aren’t tracking that and don’t seem to have a clue that you can use it to get most of their articles ad-free without paying.)
Fair enough. I’ve read their articles over the years here and there whenever I happen to come across them, though I don’t recall ever looking at their opinion pieces. Great tip about the RSS backdoor!
The top is more eloquent regime garbage.
But still regime garbage.I mean, The Atlantic might as well come with “CIA Certified” stamped on the cover. NPR is just a fleshy public-sector skin suit hiding sixteen different corporate lobbyists. The Guardian is JK Rowling Approved, even if it has historically been decent on foreign policy. The NYT is just lying to you, to your face, over and over, forever.
Really bleak to see what the American media stands for now that the mask has fallen all the way off. I’m a little sad that The Economist didn’t make their cut, because it’s the subject of my favorite Lenin quote.
What was the quote?
The Economist, a journal that speaks for the British millionaires
As part of a critique of the paper’s attitude towards war (specifically, The Great War aka WW1)
I mean, The Atlantic might as well come with “CIA Certified” stamped on the cover. NPR is just a fleshy public-sector skin suit hiding sixteen different corporate lobbyists. The Guardian is JK Rowling Approved, even if it has historically been decent on foreign policy. The NYT is just lying to you, to your face, over and over, forever.
Wow… You are so damn smart!
Where exactly do you get your news from ?
The Fox News figure is definitely inflated
FOX News is the network of, by, and for grumpy old white people.
Plenty of them have degrees. Quite a few even have advanced degrees.
I saw on a post recently here that discussed the median age of viewers for CNN, FOX, NBC was 68, 69, 70 with the figures rising year after year. I really expected those to be lower, but as someone who doesn’t consume media that way, I guess I underestimated just how many people don’t consume media that way.
I have met some questionable American academics who enjoyed the Joe Rogan Experience, which has puzzled me for a while. The fact that it’s less popular among the college educated than Fox News, Tucker Carlson Network and Breitbart certainly helps reinforce my world view a bit.
useful in drawing men towards conservativism, speaks about conspiracies.
Telemundo and Univision stats are interesting. Hispanic population is not far off from white as far as number of college graduates showing that educated hispanic populations go to other news sources.
Does that mean Telemundo and Univision are poor quality?
Does that mean Telemundo and Univision are poor quality?
HYPOTHESIS: Telemundo and Univision are watched by a lot of recent immigrants from Mexico and elsewhere in Latin America. The reason they immigrated was because in their countries of origin they didn’t have a lot of opportunities including education. However their children, who are more likely to go to college, are also more likely to have news sources that are not Telemundo and Univision. END HYPOTHESIS.
Not necessarily. The kids of Hispanic immigrants would naturally speak English far more commonly than their parents thus they’d have more choices for their news. I hear Univision is starting to get more conservative lately though so that might have an impact on the viewership statistics.
Is the similarity in graduation rates recent or decades old? As a fraction of adults 25 and older there appears to be a wide margin of about 30% vs 11%.
I just pulled a random stat didn’t see from what year. It was like 15% difference.
I’m surprised PBS and NPR have such a disparity in their audience. PBS is close to average which is good and makes sense as a public service.
Why does NPR skew so much higher towards college grads?
NPR has very little enterainment. PBS and such has a bit more to capture a wider audience. I don’t think its so much that the college educated don’t watch pbs as much as more non college educated watch pbs and don’t listen to npr. These are percentages of the audiences. Given that I catch npr all the time as I only seek elswhere on the radio when in the car if I just don’t like whats on npr but I sorta got to go outa my way to catch npr. Also you have to catch or stream later like the new hour but news on the radio is throughout the day every day including rebroadcast of bbc.
NPR member stations can vary pretty significantly on programming depending on your locality. One of the few things they have to have are the top of the hour six minute news segments.
I think NPR touches on higher level topics, as well as interviews with professionals in fields that the average person might not have an interest in
Statistical proof of what I already knew - conservatives are ignorant idiots.
Why the fuck is the Joe Rogan Experience even being given credibility as a “news source?”
Makes sense considering the news sources near the top are the same college students would have to cite on occasion for a research paper or whatever. Why not go back to the same old well to get their news after graduating?
