Twenty-plus years ago, Thomas Frank wrote a book called What’s the Matter With Kansas? in hopes of shedding some light on the new-ish at the time phenomenon of people actively and consistently voting against their own best interests. Obviously that wasn’t brand new — the Reagan era ushered in a whole generation of voters deeply affected by […]
  • w3dd1e@lemm.ee
    16·
    23 hours ago

    This is happening in the KC Metro. For those celebrating illness in a red state, this is US House District for Sharice David’s, a seat that we flipped blue in 2018

  • Etterra@discuss.onlineEnglish
    122·
    23 hours ago

    It’s too bad that the biggest victims are the children of these idiots. Once again we see that Regan kicked us down this hill, and all the Republicans are cheering on the sidelines as it sets them all on fire.

  • leadore@lemmy.world
    963·
    2 days ago

    Sorry to put a damper on your Schadenfreude, but this has nothing to do with any maga anti-vaccine laws. Although this outbreak is in Kansas, the TB vaccine is not used in the US, not even in blue states, except in rare special cases.

    In the United States, BCG is only considered for people who meet specific criteria and in consultation with a TB expert.

    See https://www.cdc.gov/tb/webcourses/TB101/page7181.html and https://www.cdc.gov/tb/hcp/vaccines/index.html

    (it’s so irritating how people just lap this crap up without an ounce of critical thinking)

    • Maple Engineer@lemmy.world
      213·
      1 day ago

      I’m Canadian and I had the TB vaccine in 2019 when I asked my doctor if I should have my vaccinations boosted because I was traveling for work. He asked me if I was traveling to third world countries and I said, “Yes, the United States.”

      He boosted my MMR, my DTP, TB, Hepatitis A and B, Yellow Fever, and added the Pneumococus and Meningitis vaccines.

    • Gloomy@mander.xyz
      9·
      1 day ago

      Thanks for checking. It’s so easy to believe the things that fit your own worldview.

    • notsoshaihulud@lemmy.world
      3·
      23 hours ago

      n widely recommended in the

      yup the evidence on the TB vaccine had been pretty iffy and many argued that lowered TB exposure and infection rates were due to better population nutrition and improved air quality. That said, most other countries still use BCG in the world.

    • Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world
      14·
      2 days ago

      This is an interesting point. So what is causing the TB outbreak.

      Also, the right doesn’t have a monopoly on hearing what they want to hear.

    • swampdownloader@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      13·
      2 days ago

      This is true but isn’t it only unnecessary in the US due to herd immunity?

      The classic third world experience is having the mark on your bicep.

      • mill_city@lemmy.zip
        8·
        1 day ago

        No, there has never been a widespread TB vaccination program in the United States. In fact if you work in an at risk industry (such as Healthcare) you’ll be required to submit to routine testing that will tell if you’ve ever had an exposure to the vaccine or actual TB. 90+ percent of people will be negative to this test, indicating they’ve never had TB or the TB vaccine.

    • Alteon@lemmy.world
      26·
      23 hours ago

      Oh, the irony…you’ve managed to out yourself as not even having read the article. But go you for managing to try and shit on the subject.

      • leadore@lemmy.world
        51·
        22 hours ago

        I read it. It’s a politically slanted article trying to link a TB outbreak with anti-vaxxers and magats, implying it happened because people refused to get vaccinated against TB, implying that the TB vaccine is even recommended or routinely given in the US, WHICH IT ISN’T, which I explained in my post with links to reliable sources backing up my statements.

        You apparently didn’t read either the article or my post, or maybe just didn’t understand them. If you think I said something incorrect, state what it was and back up your statement.

        • Alteon@lemmy.world
          23·
          20 hours ago

          this has nothing to do with any maga anti-vaccine laws. Although this outbreak is in Kansas, the TB vaccine is not used in the US, not even in blue states, except in rare special cases.

          Mate. It literally explains in the article that:

          • Tuberculosis vaccine is not mandatory and hasn’t been required for almost 20 years.
          • That the controversy around COVID vaccination and the laws they pushed validating those imaginary fears made people fearful of vaccines, and by proxy, basic preventative healthcare.

          The whole point of the article was to point out that the unintended consequences of pushing laws and regulations built on fear have harmful repercussions - i.e. you now have a population that thinks COVID isn’t that bad, that won’t wear masks, isolate, or go to the doctors…in the middle of an outbreak that is extremely similar to COVID.

  • dotslashme@infosec.pubEnglish
    1583·
    2 days ago

    I cannot even understand the reasoning of these people. I did not expect “consumption” to be a thing during my lifetime.

    • anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      1212·
      2 days ago

      Consumption? Check

      Weird isolationist grifter president? Check

      Anarchists? Hell check

      The maga dipshits overshot 1950s and sent us back to 1901, strap in

        • Seleni@lemmy.world
          4·
          1 day ago

          They were then too.

          Hell, lots of people in the US were in the Nazi camp all way up to WWII when we got to see that kind of regime in unfettered action.

        • anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          431·
          2 days ago

          The Nazis got their ideas from looking at what America did to genocide the natives. Hell even the Spanish american war feels about to break out again because some loudmouth oligarchs seem hell bent on doing imperialism in 2025

  • rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works
    682·
    2 days ago

    Except we don’t typically vaccinate people in the US against TB.

    Few healthcare workers even get that particular jab.

    • just_another_person@lemmy.world
      541·
      2 days ago

      More than you’d think. TB has geographic ties, so people in known high-risk areas generally get BCG, especially healthcare workers and people with autoimmune diseases.

      • Talaraine@fedia.io
        171·
        2 days ago

        The point stands, though. TB can come from unexpected vectors and there is no traditional vaccine offered to the public. Until that happens, it doesn’t make as much sense to blame tuberculosis on a state that may also be making boneheaded decisions regarding vaccines in general. Just the ones who would say no when it was offered.

        I am now taking a hard look at voluntarily getting this vaccine for sure.

      • Drusas@fedia.io
        61·
        2 days ago

        Even the CDC website says that the tuberculosis vaccine is not commonly used in the US.

        • KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          64·
          2 days ago

          Yeah, hate to say it but I honestly don’t know if we can trust the current CDC website, considering the current administration is known for manipulating data.

          • Cataphract@lemmy.ml
            8·
            1 day ago

            If you’re going to be that paranoid and spread early misinformation, at least learn of ways to protect yourself like using the wayback machine or something similar. Guess the CDC is just cooked if one side is trying to shut it down and the other side is saying don’t trust it now lol.

          • AmidFuror@fedia.io
            2·
            1 day ago

            That’s fair, but do you live in the US, and have you ever had a TB vaccine? The CDC info jibes with lived experience, so it’s unlikely it has been altered (yet) by the Trumpians. It seems short term all they have been able to do is take web sites and pages down. It will take longer to rewrite them.

    • AmidFuror@fedia.io
      18·
      2 days ago

      Yes. I have had every recommended childhood vaccine and get annual flu and COVID vaccines. I have never had a TB vaccine, nor been recommended to get one.

      https://www.cdc.gov/tb/vaccines/index.html

      A TB outbreak in Kansas is of course a massive concern, but relating it to their vaccine exemption law? Did they outlaw TB testing, because that’s something that used to be routinely done for school admission.

      • rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works
        5·
        2 days ago

        I can’t recall our GenA kids needing the weird stabby test I had to take when I was a kid but honestly didn’t even think about it before now.

        • grysbok@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
          4·
          2 days ago

          I’m a millennial and my college required that test prior to enrolling in classes. That was the first time I took the (rather distressing, tbh, maybe they should have to warned me) skin inflatey test.

          I just looked and my college still requires that test. So, might just be a regional thing. Grad school in the same state didn’t require the test, so maybe it had to do with staying in the dorms in undergrad?

  • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
    321·
    2 days ago

    My father almost died from polio as a child. I’d not be born had that happened. I hold special contempt for these society-harming shitbags.

    • Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works
      6·
      2 days ago

      I get your point, but let’s leave the thanks to Obama, who actually did a lot of good things.

      I think a more appropriate phrase, useful every few seconds for at least the next 4 years, is “What the fuck, Trump?”

    • SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world
      132·
      1 day ago

      Being Anti MAGA means you are a normal and well adjusted person.

      It’s not ridiculous to be anti Oligarchy

    • capital@lemmy.world
      11·
      1 day ago

      Reading the article you still might come away thinking it’s MAGA induced.

      Most people still do get the vaccine, right along with their MMR, tetanus, and polio shots, an account of not wanting to drown in their own lungs from a preventable infection.

      But I don’t think that quote is true given the info from the CDC links here in the thread.