• Carmakazi@lemmy.world
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    5 hours ago

    Feels like sooner or later they’re just going to govern every car to the posted speed limit of the road it’s driving on. The tech definitely exists, and there isn’t really a nonemotional reason not to.

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      Um, driving someone to the hospital? That’s a pretty non-emotional reason to speed

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        42 minutes ago

        Like most humans you are bad at calculating risk. Speeding on a trip to a hospital will likely only save you seconds. An ambulance that can avoid traffic and skip red lights is going to save significantly more time.

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        Speeding doesn’t shorten travel time unless the distances are significant (hundreds of Kilometers). So speeding to a hospital is more likely to lead to a crash than save time; it’s irrational and emotional.

        Haven’t you ever noticed that car you blew past pull up next to you at the red-light?

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    Lol wow. Virginia was already the most obnoxious state in the country with their traffic cops, but they just had to find a way to make it even worse 🫠

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    Republicans: Don’t tread on my freedom! No seatbelts, no helmets! FREEDOM!

    Also Republicans: Let’s install a device in your car to track and enforce your activity

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      When you commit gun related crimes you lose your right to own guns. When you get caught speeding repeatedly you dont lose your license but just get a speed cap? I think this is too lenient actually. If you cant follow the rules and insist on endangering others then you shouldnt be allowed to drive. I really do not see any issue with this, its not remote tracking, its just a speed limiter installed in your car. Be grateful that you dont get your driving license revoked.

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        Per the article, it is in fact a remote tracker, which uses GPS to determine the speed limit of whatever road you’re on.

        Be grateful that you dont get your driving license revoked.

        Also per the article:

        A federally funded study found that 75% of people with suspended licenses continued to drive.

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          The technology, which can be installed while a car is manufactured or afterward, uses GPS to identify the speed limit on a road segment and then deter drivers from going more than a programmed amount beyond it.

          Nothing about remote controls here. They might still be doing it, but it wouldnt be necessary to implement this at all. All that is necessary is that the ISA module has up to date map data which it then uses in combination with GNSS to figure out the speed limit of the road that the car is currently on.

          A federally funded study found that 75% of people with suspended licenses continued to drive.

          If people drive despite not having a license then they should get their car taken away.

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            If people drive despite not having a license then they should get their car taken away.

            Yeah I mean it’s simple and it’s complicated. Like in theory if you senselessly endanger people’s lives, we keep you off the roads. Easy peasy.

            But in the US driving is simply not optional in many places. It may be the only way you can get to work or medical appointments, and most places don’t have public transit set up to handle that reliably.

            In fact most (all?) US states have a system in place that allows unlicensed people to drive when they absolutely need to, in some cases even young teenagers below normal driving age. It’s often personally tailored: for example, a repeat OUI offender may get documents stating they are only allowed to drive at certain times of day, to certain predefined locations, and only in a specific car that requires a breathalyzer to start.

            But even in that most extreme and egregious case, after everything and even after jail time and a permanent license suspension, they still end up on the roads regularly. So in the current legal framework there really isn’t a viable mechanism to take away their car

            Re: remote tracking; Based on quickly looking up the actual devices being used they do appear to collect and report telemetry, but it’s a bit muddy as they appear to be more commonly used in commercial fleets. So sure, there may be room for some doubt on the matter. Modern cars in general are more likely than not actively equipped to report your information directly to the police, so who knows, maybe the personal ISA systems themselves are designed not to bother with it after all

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              If driving is essential for you, then you shouldn’t drive like an asshole, go over the speed limit multiple times or drive recklessly, endangering others.

              If you’re putting people in danger because you can’t understand the implications of driving a multi-ton metal box at insane speeds, you shouldn’t be allowed to do it.

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        To be honest, I don’t understand why any car can go over 140 km/h. I get people want to enjoy their freedoms and all but it’s not worth it really.

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          Coincidentally, I just went on the autobahn yesterday, for the second time in my life. We were driving about 130 but there were plenty people probably going 30 or 40 km faster than us.

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            Oh, we don’t have those here bud. Best I can offer is a slow as molasses Amtrack last updated in 2000 something.

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      Republicans? The Virginia state legislature is controlled by Democrats.

      Edit: I think the author is talking about this bill. It has Republican support but I didn’t think presenting it as a solely Republican initiative is fair.

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          Sorry, I edited my post to add more specific information before I saw your reply.

          The bill had enough support from both Democrats and Republicans in the legislature that the governor couldn’t have vetoed it.

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    A single car with ISA can also prevent multiple drivers behind it from recklessly accelerating, so even a small number of ISA-equipped vehicles could have a dramatic impact on regional or even national road safety.

    In my experience, a slow driver will be passed (often rather aggressively) by drivers wanting to go faster if that is at all possible. That feels a lot more dangerous than simply having everyone drive at the rate of traffic. Or is the author envisioning a scenario where there are enough of these slow cars to cause a traffic jam?

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      They wouldn’t be driving slowly, they’d be driving at the posted limit. If the limit for the road is wrong, and other people are ignoring it, that is a separate issue that needs dealing with.

      It really grinds my gears when people complain about others driving at the posted limit (and, to be fair, I do it too sometimes, but I try to catch myself). You either think the limit is reasonable, in which case there isn’t actually a problem, or you think it’s wrong, in which case the driver isn’t the problem, the limit is. In that case rather than grousing about other drivers actually take action to have the limit changed. That goes just as much in areas where the limit is too high.

      Anyway, rant over, I shall take a couple of deep breaths.

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        Driving at the posted limit if everyone else is going 15-20 over can be incredibly dangerous. Which is why its legal to drive with the speed of traffic.

        And it may be rare to see that situation in some places, but my local highway is often like that. I prefer to drive 5-10 over and no more, but if literally everyone else is driving 15-20 over then you really ought to not drive at the limit. If you do youll have people swerving around you at 20 over the limit.

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          I’m not going to say that sort of thing doesn’t happen, they undoubtedly do, but in places where the rules don’t permit speeding, just because everyone else is, the problem self corrects. If too many motorists exceed the limit, the police have a field day ticketing as many as they can, and the situation reverts to people driving at the limit.

          That does take setting the limits appropriately, constant enforecement that can be scaled up, a certain margin of error being accepted so everyone doesn’t have their eyes glued to the speedo, and the understanding and acceptance from motorists that the rules are fair and there for a reason. Absent any one or more of those, and things will inevitably turn into a racetrack again. Fortunately, much of the management and enforcement is usually local, so political pressure applied locally can often help correct issues.

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          That’s a slippery slope. The limits are there for a reason, and it’s considered unsafe to go faster. Everyone should be doing the speed limit, and if people consistently drive over the limit, they should absolutely have their licenses removed.