So we’ve seen the complaints and the reports and boy oh boy are there complaints and reports.
I’ve discussed the account with the other mods and admins multiple times, and while we agree the volume is a lot, it doesn’t point to a botfarm or multiple people using the account.
Obsessive? Absolutely, but not technically rule breaking… Until today.
Today they indescriminately posted the same story three times from three different sources apparently solely to flood the channel showing a decided lack of judgement.
It’s a valid story from a valid source, the original has been kept here:
https://lemmy.world/post/21098916
The others have been removed as duplicates.
I’m also applying a 15 day temp ban on the account.
“15 days? That’s oddly specific! What’s in 15… OH!”
RIP. I’m sure he’ll be back with alts, but here are the final stats:
UniversalMonk stats pulled 10/25/2024, 3:20:53 PM EDT
- Account created 78 days ago (8/8/2024, 9:21:38 PM EDT)
- 6,272 submissions (= 2,017 posts + 4,255 comments)
- 80.4 avg submissions / day
- 11.9 mins avg time between submissions (assuming 8 hrs of sleep / day)
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87,814 downvotes accrued (~ 1,126 downvotes / day, 0.20 u:d ratio)
- -70,379 net reputation score
- ~ 1.3 mins between downvotes on avg
- ~ 14.9 avg downvotes / submission
- ~ 13.2 avg downvotes / comment
- ~ 19.5 avg downvotes / post
- ~ -11.4 avg reputation score / comment
- ~ -13.4 avg reputation score / post
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~ 16 typed pages (3,789 words) written / day
- 236,631 total words written as comments, 58,852 total words written in posts
- ~ 76 mins / day writing comments (40 wpm)
- ~ 32 mins / day making posts (40 wpm + 30 secs / post)
- ~ 140 hrs commenting/posting in 78 days, which breaks down to:
- ~ 108 mins / day
- 11.2% of their waking hours
None of this takes into account time reading others’ posts/comments, or alts this user may have. See the modlog for any communities they’ve been banned from.
Top 5 duplicate submissions (of 914 exact matches and 683 which are 70%+ similar)
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27 x 'Thank you! :)'
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12996083
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12216542
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11817818
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11735320
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11735955
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11735366
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12309396
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12212813
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11743878
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12912489
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12685591
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12788399
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11982633
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12884524
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12937855
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12923452
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12859415
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11682549
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12798832
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12937851
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12311578
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12804112
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12804403
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12787248
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12787595
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12307738
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12950616
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27 x 'Thank you! :)'
- https://lemmy.world/comment/13002846
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12216542
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11817818
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11735320
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11735955
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11735366
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12309396
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12212813
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11743878
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12912489
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12685591
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12788399
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11982633
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12884524
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12937855
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12923452
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12859415
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11682549
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12798832
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12937851
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12311578
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12804112
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12804403
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12787248
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12787595
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12307738
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12950616
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26 x 'Thank you!'
- https://lemmy.world/comment/13002846
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12996083
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11817818
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11735320
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11735955
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11735366
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12309396
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12212813
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11743878
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12788399
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11982633
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12884524
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12937855
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12923452
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12859415
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11682549
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12798832
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12937851
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12311578
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12815359
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12804112
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12804403
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12787248
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12787595
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12307738
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12950616
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22 x 'Yep!'
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12317674
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12328732
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12366231
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12521594
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12478780
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12894213
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12650451
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12119855
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12610600
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12795033
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11999485
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12820772
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12923437
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12882018
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12938868
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12805136
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12348685
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12698185
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11850822
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12805530
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12909916
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12713610
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22 x 'Agreed.'
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12317444
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12453161
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12745932
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11714325
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12605087
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12721797
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12516191
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12264458
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12278119
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12323465
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12323502
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11904886
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12278155
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12693001
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12840119
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11680050
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12132035
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12270853
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11794705
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12909898
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12805534
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12131410
Fetch user stats yourself with: https://codeberg.org/p00perNickel/lemmy-user-stats
I do have to admit to feeling at least a little validated for having called him out way more for his pattern of behavior when it came to interactions with other users as opposed to his posts. His posts were bad but the way he engaged with anyone and everyone was downright toxic. /politics is a better place with him banned, and now Lemmy will be a better place for him being gone. I’m sure he’s still out there on some platform playing the poor victim, as I doubt this was a “teachable moment”, but I sincerely hope he gets help somewhere. It’s cliché, but that dude had issues.
Not sure if you saw this https://lemm.ee/post/45848048
I read this as “leave us alone about trolls, just block them”. Because while they say to report them first, we all saw how that went with UM. Lots of us were ignored for weeks. So Lemmy is only better than Facebook in that it’s smaller. So fucking disappointing. Trolls will be free to troll.
Yeah, thanks! I saw it but unfortunately buried in work this week and last, so haven’t been very active lately. But I did just reply in that thread to counter some revisionist history from the mods. :)
I just went and read your comment. Thank you for writing that. Very well said. I wish I had more patience like you do.
Thanks! I’m not sure how much is patience and how much is just being resigned to the mods making the wrong decision on this one. I think the rule change is just punishing the community for their own past failings, but I don’t really see anyone being able to change their minds on this one. And being a mod - especially on /politics - is by definition a thankless and difficult job, so I do understand where they’re coming from in part. Unfortunately they seem to have learned all the wrong lessons.
I couldn’t agree with you more. Thank you for calling him out. I can definitely say that comments like yours help me keep my resolve and think “it’s not just me! Everyone can see it!”
If you and others hadnt kept calling him on his shit I would’ve eventually probably just stopped using Lemmy tbh. Users like that absolutely shit in the pool. I’m sure he’d have a lot of whining to do about how he was persecuted for having a different point of view but we all know that was bullshit. Luckily we don’t have to endure that whining!
<fistbump>
Somebody crossed a line!
It was only a matter of time.
Taking it to PMs is a fast track to getting Admins involved and Admins do not fuck around.
Another perfect example of the dude being completely a not-troll and just innocently neurodivergent in these comments:
https://lemmy.world/post/21123227
…right @[email protected] ?
They clearly make all these weird communities so they can not answer to any mods and they can control the narrative.
They are making Lemmy worse. They are violating rules 4. The mods can deny it all they want, but if you read this very thread, it’s clearly not just me saying it and it’s not just their shitty opinion we don’t like.
They are looking to stir shit and maybe influence an election, and 99% of the time gotten away with it Scot free. We cannot handwave away the fact that they’ve spent around 2 hours a day just writing posts. That means something. And it means something that practically everyone hates what they’re doing. And the stats I’ve been posting speak volumes.
[email protected] “Socialist Mormon Satanist” stats pulled @ 10/22/2024, 1:37:27 PM EDT
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Account created 75 days ago (8/8/2024, 9:21:38 PM EDT)
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6,131 contributions (= 1,932 posts + 4,199 comments)
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81.7 average contributions / day
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11.7 mins average time between contributions (assuming 8 hrs of sleep / day)
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83,172 downvotes accrued
- -65,774 net reputation points
- ~1.3 mins between downvotes on average
- ~14.3 average downvotes / submission
- 0.21 upvote to downvote ratio
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231,519 words written as comments, 58,014 words written in posts
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3,861 words (~16 typed pages) written per day
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~77 mins / day writing comments (40 words / min)
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~32 mins / day making posts (40 words / min + 30 secs / post)
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~137 hrs commenting/posting in the past 75 days which breaks down to
- ~109 mins / day
- ~31.9% of a full time job
- 11.4% of their waking hours
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See the modlog for more info.
None of this takes into account time reading others’ posts/comments, or alts this user may secretly have.
Top 10 duplicate submissions (of 306 exact matches and 234 which are 70%+ similar)
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'Thank you!' x 28
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11735366
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11735955
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11743878
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11817818
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11982633
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12027686
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12216542
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12307738
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12308150
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12309396
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12311578
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12950616
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11735320
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12212813
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12787248
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12787595
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12788399
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12798832
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12804112
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12804403
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12815359
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12859415
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12884524
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12923452
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12937851
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12937855
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12996083
- https://lemmy.world/comment/13002846
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'Yep!' x 28
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11999485
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12119855
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12249835
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12317674
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12366231
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12478780
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12521586
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12644574
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12650451
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12698185
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12765375
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12765376
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12795033
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12805136
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12805530
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12815339
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12882018
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12909916
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12923437
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12938868
- https://lemmy.world/comment/13023699
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12328732
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12348685
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12521594
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12610600
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12713610
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12820772
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12894213
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'k' x 23
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11737773
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11737891
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11737972
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11737995
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11738086
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11738218
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11738246
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11743946
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11753322
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11753367
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11755099
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11755388
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11756415
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11756623
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11756683
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11756731
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11756770
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11756847
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11757001
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11757808
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11757813
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11757863
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12428142
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'Agreed!' x 22
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11714325
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11794705
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12089887
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12132035
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12264458
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12317444
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12323502
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12453161
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12516191
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12605087
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12745932
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12805534
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12840119
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12909898
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11904886
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12131410
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12270853
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12278119
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12278155
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12323465
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12693001
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12966982
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'I don't know what you mean.' x 20
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11757556
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11757557
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12238257
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12400823
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12565188
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12583929
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11735566
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11737157
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11888568
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12311040
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12360057
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12395133
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12420111
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12421236
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12421321
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12439696
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12525488
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12563842
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12564780
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12582076
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'I don't have to explain anything to you. Thanks!' x 15
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12398666
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12495296
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12366227
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12367327
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12419420
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12428146
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12457183
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12486020
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12495287
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12599998
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12600030
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12613040
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12770794
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12787046
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12820767
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'Right?' x 14
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11776872
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11850443
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12493392
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12626401
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12649851
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12650242
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12745913
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12786095
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12804035
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12805992
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12871852
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12875566
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12911508
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12939450
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'Every vote for Harris is stealing a vote from thir...' x 12
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12460202
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12472234
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12476989
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12477047
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12478029
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12478783
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12478790
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12492462
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12492508
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12492607
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12492644
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12521576
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'Exactly!' x 11
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12351305
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12516482
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12657136
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12805096
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12850788
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12899417
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12920864
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12323618
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12559965
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12611016
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12820815
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'To cut through the nonsense and save everyone time...' x 10
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Man, if it wasn’t for the antagonistic shit riddled throughout that post I’d engage and cheer him on. And the way he talks about his girlfriend in that post is a little worrisome. He’s doing that same antagonistic shit when talking about her.
He’s so clearly got main character syndrome and believes the world is out to get him. If he took the time to be self reflective in his personal interactions as much as he did about his physical health he might be a person I could actually engage with.
Yeah, if I didn’t think they were fucking up the whole ecosystem and showing other potential trolls they can too, I’d just block them and move on.
Firstly, thank you for that ban. Did you notice the duplicate section in my comment? Low effort comments, dismissiveness, refusing to engage in good faith even when someone treats him very respectively, and copy-pasting the same responses many times is only one of several signs this is a troll. This behavior breaks rule 4.
No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive.
I do not understand how anyone could possibly look at the evidence I provided and say “nah, not a troll”.
For your convenience:
Top 10 duplicate (total 617 exact and 318 fuzzy, 70% or more similar) submissions from [email protected] found.
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'Thank you!' x 27
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11735366
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11735955
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11743878
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11817818
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11982633
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12027686
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12216542
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12307738
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12309396
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12311578
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12950616
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11735320
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12212813
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12787248
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12787595
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12788399
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12798832
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12804112
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12804403
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12815359
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12859415
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12884524
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12923452
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12937851
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12937855
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12996083
- https://lemmy.world/comment/13002846
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'Yep!' x 24
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11999485
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12119855
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12249835
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12366231
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12478780
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12650451
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12698185
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12765375
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12765376
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12795033
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12805136
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12805530
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12815339
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12882018
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12909916
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12923437
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12938868
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12328732
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12348685
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12521594
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12610600
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12713610
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12820772
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12894213
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'k' x 23
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11737773
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11737891
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11737972
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11737995
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11738086
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11738218
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11738246
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11743946
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11753322
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11753367
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11755099
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11755388
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11756415
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11756623
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11756683
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11756731
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11756770
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11756847
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11757001
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11757808
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11757813
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11757863
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12428142
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'Agreed!' x 21
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11714325
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11794705
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11872168
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12089887
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12132035
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12264458
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12317444
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12323502
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12453161
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12516191
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12805534
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12840119
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12909898
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11904886
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12131410
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12270853
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12278119
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12278155
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12323465
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12693001
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12966982
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'I don't know what you mean.' x 20
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11757556
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11757557
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12238257
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12400823
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12565188
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12583929
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11735566
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11737157
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11888568
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12311040
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12360057
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12395133
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12420111
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12421236
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12421321
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12439696
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12525488
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12563842
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12564780
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12582076
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'I don't have to explain anything to you. Thanks!' x 14
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12398666
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12495296
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12366227
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12367327
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12419420
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12428146
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12457183
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12486020
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12599998
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12600030
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12613040
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12770794
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12787046
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12820767
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'Right?' x 13
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11776872
- https://lemmy.world/comment/11850443
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12492449
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12493392
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12626401
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12649851
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12650242
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12786095
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12804035
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12805992
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12871852
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12911508
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12939450
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'Every vote for Harris is stealing a vote from thir...' x 12
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12460202
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12472234
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12476989
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12477047
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12478029
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12478783
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12478790
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12492462
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12492508
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12492607
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12492644
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12521576
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'Exactly!' x 11
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12227814
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12351305
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12516482
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12657136
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12805096
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12850788
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12899417
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12920864
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12323618
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12559965
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12820815
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'To cut through the nonsense and save everyone time...' x 10
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12287124
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12287210
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12307518
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12307643
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12317493
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12317539
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12317831
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12328262
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12328273
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12338170
I want to second this. I understand the mods prefer a case-by-case approach, but I think that leaves a very specific pathway for bad actors to exploit. Monk was posting a purely insane amount of comments along with a very high but not as insane number of posts, and almost all of it was low-value, and often copy-pasted from a previous comment.
Do the mods even have easy access to the kind of data your script was pulling? I think that may be part of the issue is that the mod tools with Lemmy are lacking/limited.
I am not entirely sure what tools they have, but yeah the script was just pulling data from the public api. Anyone can write this script, and I will open source it if folks are interested. It could be good to have a set of tools similar to this one which mods could run with minimal effort.
Mod tools are pretty limited.
We have a queue of reported posts and reported comments, from there it’s a manual lookup of user history in their profile and on the public modlog.
For actions, we can remove comments and posts, lock posts, ban users temporarily or permanently, feature posts in the community, and promote users to mods.
Thanks for that. Kinda what I figured. I may work some more on tools to help. Would you be interested? Specifically in simple scripts you can run after a pretty easy setup and running a single command typically.
Anything that helps, sure!
That would be awesome of you.
Here is the tool: https://codeberg.org/p00perNickel/lemmy-user-stats
Let me know if you have any issues with it!
He had a standard copypasta for people accusing him of being a troll. If that’s not trolling I don’t know what is
Ha! Yeah - in fact it evolved and expanded to the extent of almost all of his interactions being simply copying and pasting his responses ad nauseum. Very rarely saw him say anything he hadn’t already parroted back dozens and dozens of times. I kinda get why some people accused him of being a bot, because it’s hard to imagine a human deriving anything out of those sorts of interactions.
The number of comments/posts makes me think they’re getting paid per comment or post (or maybe per reply?)
In any case, I still find it funny that in one of their earlier posts I called Stein a Russian stooge and they took personal offense to that. (for a moment, I wondered if maybe they were stein.)
There are multiiple Stein Stans in the community who report anything remotely anti-Stein, even (especially?) when it’s true.
How did you generate this report?
It’s a script I wrote. I’m planning to open source it soon. Should I send you a link when it goes up?
Yes please!
Here is the tool: https://codeberg.org/p00perNickel/lemmy-user-stats
Let me know if you have any issues with it!
I get that, but hear me out… it’s just as likely that they’re an obsessive compulsive, possibly on the autism spectrum, who can’t stand letting someone have the last word.
Now, I’m no clinical psychologist, I’m not competent to make that diagnosis, but I’m sure you’ve also seen arguments between two people incapable of letting it go.
While I understand your concern because I knew someone who was like that personally, that person’s ability and desire to constantly respond caused them a significant bit of distress, often replying to people with something like, “please stop replying because I feel compelled to say something in response.”
Maybe shutting a user up every now and then would be a net positive.
“please stop replying because I feel compelled to say something in response.”
Modding at that point kind of becomes:
I’d rather be on Snoopy’s side than Lucy’s. ;)
Mental illness aside - respectfully, if spamming isn’t considered against the rules, I kind of consider that bad moderation.
So if I want to copy paste the same non-response 26 times, I will not get banned for it, as long as I don’t say overtly mean things? I would absolutely assume that would get me perma banned if I kept doing it.
As long as it’s not a non-sensical response and seems to fit the comment chain, I don’t see an inherent problem there.
Example:
“Well, we agree to disagree.” full stop. Discussion ended. No, I don’t have an issue with that.
If the thread is 52 comments and that’s posted 26 times, that is a dead thread. There is an inherent problem with that.
Posting should be an attempt to create discussion. If the poster tries to end discussion in the comments, that’s just making noise. Eventually, a community of just noise will die.
Do not treat neuro divgerent people with training wheels.
I’m neuro divgerent and it pisses me off when people treat me differently. Yeah, I’ve got my shit, and I often need things explained to me with clear guidelines, rules, and expectations.
But one thing my neuro divergence doesn’t grant me is the ability to act like a shit stain and get away with it while prodding everybody around me antagonisticly.
The response here is not about whether their behavior was socially acceptable, but whether it was an indication of a fake account being run by multiple people or a script or something.
I’m personally suspicious due to all those cut and pasted replies, but I suppose it’s possible that’s just an indication of obsession as well. I’ve saved text for a comment reply before, but it was because the text had a lot of citations and I was tired of refinding them each time. There doesn’t seem to be a lot of reason to save and repeat “I don’t have to explain anything to you. Thanks!”
Are you trolling us now?
Am I allowed to speculate about the mental health of other users as well I wonder, or is that just reserved for mods?
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@[email protected] did this get reversed? Because I’m seeing posts again when I’m not signed in on a mobile client. Or did they move to another instance?
You might be seeing their posts in other communities, this ban only extends to Politics on lemmy.world.
Ah, I was thinking that it was a ban from lemmy.world completely.
Poop.
Apparently they have now been banned permanently. It’s in the modlog.
How do I get to that? I saw something posted yesterday by, I think by SatansMaggortyCumFart? But I can’t find it again.
From the web interface, modlog is down at the bottom.
That boii went super saiya-cringe mode.
This is a perfect representation of them.
“I’ll keep posting what I want, when I want, where I want, and respond to people how I want. Whether it is “working” or not. Thank you!” - Monk
This is when I realized it was all in bad faith and I stopped giving him the benefit of the doubt.
Maybe some kind of rate limiting would work for cases like this. Anyway, i doubt we’ll see that one again after the 15 days are up. At least for the next four years.
Oh I bet there’ll be posts regarding election integrity starting 11/6.
Yeah, reddit had something like that baked in, I’m not sure how lemmy could implement it.
“You are doing that too much, try again later.”
It seemed to be tied to both the age of the account and the karma of the account. It varies from subreddit to subreddit.
There also seemed to be a difference if you were subscribed to the community or not.
But then we’re comparing something relatively new (lemmy) to an established platform with over a decade of development too.
It’s easy enough to limit for a local user posting. I guess the tricky part is what if this comes in through federation from an instance that doesn’t support limiting. Probably just refuse the CREATE request with an appropriate error code (400?) and message (the “try again later one”) and hope the user’s home instance will report that back to the user.
Talked about this with the admins and the suggestion is to use some kind of automod, but implementing something like that is a little beyond my ability.
Ah - I can see why they’d prefer an automod (they’d not have to worry about configuring or changing the server software in that case).
Unfortunately, as far I can tell, none of the existing automods out there support deleting posts by a rate limit. It’s not impossible to add this functionality, but it’d take a bit of work and time from a dev.
For example, I think for lemmymodbot one can modify the User Processor at https://github.com/noenfugler/LemmyModBot/blob/master/lemmymodbot/processors/user_processor.py to accomplish this.
Under line 8, add this line to create a user/seen hash
user_post_seen_hash = {}
and replace the entire execute function with something like this,
if content.actor_id in self.user_post_seen_hash:
if int(datetime.now().timestamp * 1000) - int(user_post_seen_hash[content.actor_id].timestamp * 1000) <= 300 * 1000:
handle.remove_thing(“Posting too frequently, take a break”)
self.user_post_seen_hash[content.actor_id] = datetime.now()(Oh, and at the top of the file, also add above the first line,
from datetime import datetime, timedelta
)
But for lemmy.world (even if just looking at /m/politics) it would likely OOM from the in-memory hash due to the volume of users, so it’d need to be extended leverage the database for the lookup.
Something similar could be implemented on top of threativore, I think around this line might be the easiest place to implement the check of the username/timestamp, https://github.com/db0/threativore/blob/main/threativore/threativore.py#L285
Edit: Forgot to add, all the above code changes are completely untested by me, use at your own risk, etc.
Sounds like a bot could do the job. Counts submissions in a rolling 24 hour period and fires a report off if someone goes over. Or it even deletes the post itself.
If they don’t reappear then I think there is a legitimate argument that it was a coordinated propaganda account.
If they do come back with the same level of veracity then I think there is merit to the potential mental illness, or neurodivergence argument.
Now that they were banned from politics, their rate of engagement went WAY down. Kinda speaks volumes.
I’ll bet they have an alt account up and running already in either case.
I mean maybe, but I think it would be pretty obvious given the nature of how and what they post.
Possibly, yeah. Or they might just be content with spamming other politics communities.
The Dark Monk is going to write some erotic friend fiction about you, jordanlund.
Oddly, on a personal level, I have no beef with the guy. If we were local we could probably go out for beers or something.
You’re a better man than I.
I think @[email protected] is right. The Monk has many beliefs that I either agree with or at least understand where they’re coming from. If there had been full duration Democratic primary, or any of the 3rd parties been even remotely competent/had a chance, or the voting system been a universal Ranked-Choice Voting system or better I’d probably support them. But he refused to see reality to the point I think it is fair to argue a dishonest agenda at best.
Regardless of the cognitive dissonance saying that gives me, I think it was a good thing for the community, and perhaps Monk too, that a break was mandated.
I have a similar experience. E.g. https://lemmy.world/comment/12591604 - the user was pretty friendly to me and chill about it when I let them know that one of their posts helped me convince a third party voter to vote Harris instead.
I’m not sure how that comment fits into the conversation.
jordanlund wrote,
Oddly, on a personal level, I have no beef with the guy.
So I was just pointing out another example where this user could have tried to troll or inflame me, but instead went with the “no-beef” approach, for whatever reason.
After seeing how that user banned DMs, I don’t see how anyone could be against the current permaban. I was just pointing out that somehow I was one of the rare few who somehow got along with that person while they were still here.
They should stick to writing mildly interesting short horror stories
They’re atrocious.
They are better than their comments.
That sad little clown is harassing me in PM now.
It does that.
Yeah. I reported them to admins. Let them sort it out, I’m not holding my breath though.
They’ve been instance banned.
You gotta know they’re absolutely loving this shit right now. An entire post dedicated only to them? Where they are the topic of discussion? That’s probably the biggest badge of honor someone like them could earn here.
I’d wager it’s bookmarked and will be read several times a day for months to come.
HOW do you post here 1.9k times in two months? I have like 7 posts in over a year and I feel somewhat active.
I’m not complaining about any decisions mods have made, I’m legitimately asking cause that seems crazy. 32 posts a day is a LOT.
Have you not seen that Dot person? They post like 50 news posts a day. The accounts days old and already has about 100 submissions.
I told them in PMs that, as a mod, I self limit to 3 posts a day for fear of being seen as putting my thumb on the scale and influencing the discourse.
And that’s in the groups I mod(!)
He’s over that by a factor of 10+
I don’t know what his deal was but anyone who is that gleefully belligerent when confronted by people who don’t like what he’s doing isn’t really anyone I want around. Coincidently, I blocked him today. I don’t think he was doing anything wrong other than sheer volume of one-note posts. But I got tired of all the comment sections being about him. And I think I’ve absorbed enough of his point of view for a time.
For all I know he was just trying to keep folks riled up enough to vote. But those posts didn’t add to the value of the community IMO.
For a while I didn’t block them b/c I wanted to see what and how much they were posting. The shtick was indeed getting old and after seeing the glut of posts today, I blocked them. Enough is enough and I know what they are about.
Trolling. Trolling and disinformation.
32 posts a day is a LOT.
Honestly, that’s not even that impressive… It’s only 4 posts per hour over a 8 hour work day, which is completely achievable if Internet trolling is your hobby of choice.
What’s really impressive is the number of comments. I won’t speculate on Monk’s motives (out of fear of running afoul of this community’s rules) except to say that they seem extremely motivated to argue with anyone and everyone who posts a disagreeing comment. Their tactic is to bicker with any dissenting voices (without actually engaging with their arguments) to the point of exhaustion so that no one will bother engaging anymore — a very specific strategy I have to imagine is designed to shift the Overton window a particular way.
Fortunately, their efforts seem to have been mostly ineffective given the number of people around here who continue to call out their BS. So keep fighting the good fight, I guess!
Oh holy fuck it’s only 15 days away! Anxiety!
Also having seen the guy, makes sense you can’t ban bad takes (or at least, shouldn’t) but my sense is he just likes to be infamous. Hell, this is a post about his banning, even! He’s probably loving the attention.
Still, I’ve got my Lemmy heroes — obsessive posting can be used for good, like a certain maneuver named after a certain starship captain.
like a certain maneuver named after a certain starship captain.
Ahh, yes! The Janeway Shuffle!
I’m pretty sure they were referring to The Cole Protocol.
Yeah you’re right. Notice no one is trying to get those folks banned
While you’re all here we should take a moment to recognize that folks like universalmonk are mentally ill and need help!
We can all take a few moments after having seen what unadulterated brain-worms can do to a person and share thoughts on how we could better the metal-healthcare field.
Talk to your friends, talk to your coworkers, message your favorite politician! We can change the world and limit the number of people who behave like universalmonk.
Thanks for coming to my ted talk.
Thankyou :D
Are you familiar with toxoplasmosis? The disease that mutates into different forms so a bunch of different animals can host it and pass it along.
This is a long article but it’s really good, it’s worth a read and it predicted a lot of the discourse of the last decade: https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/12/17/the-toxoplasma-of-rage/
The sort of gist of it is this: the more grey area / ambiguity in a topic, the more we pop our own identity into our stance on it. And so if that thing is controversy, we argue about it so much more if there’s room to self-insert our identity in that grey area. It spreads and spreads to a bunch of different hosts. It becomes a meme via argument by infecting a bunch of hosts to pass it along.
And that’s Monk.
Pretty early on, it was very clear that they had no actual understanding of the topics they were talking about. I tried in their first few weeks to engage with them and so did others. Only to find nothing there. No opinions, and all counter-arguments were clearly copy & pasted off of Wikipedia. Things like “we have X amount of members in Maine”.
Please.
Eventually they stopped trying to engage altogether, and instead moved into a deliberate pattern of line-toeing retorts. None in good faith. But, more importantly, never with enough substance to interrupt the ensuing argument, while simultaneously always enough comment traffic to perpetuate the thread.
Monk is a memetic toxoplasmosis source vector. Through pure ineptitude or irony, I think they’ve accidentally turned more people against third parties than for them, but maybe that isn’t their goal.
Even now there’s an undercurrent of “I don’t think I even disagree with them”. Well, how could you? They haven’t said anything worth disagreeing with, have they? What have they said, though? Not much. Nothing recognizable as an opinion in defense of the third party articles. Often, just enough to establish a veneer of plausible deniability.
It’s a sophisticated form of trolling and it’s recognizable to anyone with a long history of community management online. There are some people who never seem to be directly at fault for things, yet every single time you remove them, the temperature goes down.
You don’t need to actually build a case against these people to know that the equation is simple: when they’re around, everyone is angry. When they aren’t, people get along better.
Anyway, my point is this: you can tell who is contributing in good faith and who isn’t, because they will attempt to say what’s on their mind. It might be the worst take you’ve ever heard in your life, but it has a concretion to it. Monk has no concrete substance, they simply like to stir the pot.
upvoting for well articulated nuance
Agreed. They are being intentionally passive aggressive and they are trying to create discord in this community. They often say that they expect downvotes.
IMHO, if a user is repeatedly trying to get a rise from other users, then it’s time to go.
It’s like a little bother holding a finger to your face and saying “I’m not touching you.” They’re following the rules and not hitting their sibling, but know they’re being a pest.
You’ve pretty much nailed it.
Absolutely agree with this and for this reason, in my opinion, they really should be instance-banned. They contribute nothing that anyone else isn’t already doing. And they’re absolutely doing it in bad faith.
So good riddance to bad rubbish.