The Guardian reported that NSW Police said officers issued a move-on order as the protest was considered “unauthorised”, citing a lack of advanced notice and failure to submit exemption forms required under anti-protest laws.
Oh, fuck off, what is this shit?!
An excuse to beat someone’s face so hard they lose an eye.
So, you know, normal cop shit.
If you ask the state for permission to protest, you are quite literally their bitch
So do I understand correctly that on this globe you can only be against genocide of the Palestinians if you live in an authoritarian country like China, Iran, Russia, etc.?
Obviously in those countries you can’t be against their own genocides like the Uhigers, Ukrainians, etc. But somehow when it comes to Israel the rest of the world seems to not dare being against genocide?
Is is because the US is so powerful that they fear reprecusions? Or why is that?
You are overlooking Ireland. They support the Palestinians.
That’s because they are very familiar with having a neighbor with a mindset like Israel. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles
It’s because we are in the worst timeline. Evil has won in this para-dimension.
I think you’ll find Western countries don’t need much of an excuse to support colonial genocide.
My biggest issue is Americans. Half of Americans support genocide, the other half want to moralize and lead the charge against it, which just comes off as hypocrisy considering i didn’t even get so much as an apology for all the bombings and invasions my country took by Americans. Now Americans are moralizing to my brown indigenous ass about colonialism and genocide and acting like once again Americans should lead this movement, which only cheapens it. Americans need to get in the back of the line and shut the fuck up. Support but leave your moralizing at home, and “I wasn’t personally the one who bombed you” is not an excuse for Israelis so it’s not one for Americans either. You guys fucked half the world and now you wanna move on and leave it in the past so you don’t have to take collective responsibility
Edit: getting downvoted by Americans who don’t like non whites calling them out for their bullshit. Biggest terrorist nation on earth
And 99% of us vote for it every two years, because both ruling parties are warmongers.
But what gets me the most is that half of voters’ opinions on war change depending on who’s in power. The folks who are so anti-war right now would fully support it if Harris were in office, and that changing of opinions based on political convenience and nothing else just infuriates me. They still defend Obama’s bloodied hands even though he was bombing seven different countries while in office. (That we know of)
and “I wasn’t personally the one who bombed you” is not an excuse for Israelis so it’s not one for Americans either.
It absolutely is, for both.
You don’t get to reap the rewards of colonialism and war while dodging all the responsibilities
I have the feeling Israel is a US puppet state that is being used to take control over the Middle East. (And destroy Islam while they are at it)
None of the 2 mentioned are genocided.
And the fact you’re commenting about China, Iran, Russia, etc. neing authoritarian while there’s full on censorship in the west about this post is typical.You’re part of the deluded, pretentious 10% of the world calling themselves ‘the international community’ with ‘their western values’.
Already hated for centuries of imperialism and now this total support for genocidal maniacs.
Anyone in touch with people outside of the western online community knows they will not forget this either.Agreed. Plus those are rookie numbers. Mao killed at least 40 million people on accident. Imagine what he could do if he put effort in.
Do you have a source for that number other than a CIA funded think-tank?
Please give me the real numbers, comrade.
Most estimates range from 15-30 million. A smaller proportion of the population than the Irish potato famine which was caused by British mismanagement but I don’t hear that talked about as a reason why capitalism is terrible much.
15-30 million
Hell yeah Mao stays winning.
I don’t hear that talked about as a reason why capitalism is terrible much.
Probably because the overwhelming majority of people agree it was bad, especially here on lemmy. Find me 5 people that say the potato famine was good, actually, and I’ll find you 3 entire instances that’ll ban me for saying “maybe killing 15-30 million people for societal progress isn’t the best strategy.”
Tankies get more pushback here because nobody is singing the praises of capitalism.
Yeah people agree the famine in China was bad too. Even Mao and other officials in China agreed there were mistakes and made changes afterwards. Are you aware China experienced devastating famines on average of once a century for the previous 2000 years before that? There hasn’t been a famine since then.
you people are pathetic
I’m many countries, yes, in many ots controversial. In others the political class is against the genocide, including Western countries.
Other than Spain and Ireland, which ones?
Brazil, Colombia, league of Arab counties, Norway, Sweden. Even Germany and France have expressed concern. The EU as whole is flagging that free trade agreements may be annulled due to war crimes.
Didn’t Germany just veto the suspension? https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2025-06-23/germany-against-suspending-eu-deal-with-israel-official-says
Yes. Germany have been most supportive of Israel, as they misguidedly want to protect Jews, rather than people from genocide, to overcompensate for past actions. However, even there, the tide has turned and some politicians are making statements against Israel and her actions.
league of Arab counties
Which Arab countries? Every single one has been quiet, and some have been actively aiding the genocide.
Even Germany and France have expressed concern
To what end? Germany’s been militant in its support, and France shrank away from actively censuring the genocidaires every chance they got.
The EU as whole is flagging that free trade agreements may be annulled due to war crimes.
They’ve been doing that dance for over a year. What has come of it?
The league of Arab nations. I think it is a body representing 50ish Islamic nations.
German politicians have until recently been saying that Israel is justified. They are now making statements that Israel has overstepped the line. Most people already see that. However, the point is about whether criticism of Israel is allowed. It is, both by people and politicians. There are also instances of EU(Irish) citizens being deported due to Palestine support. I purposely was pointing to mistakes most staunch supporter, to show that their support is diminishing.
Yes, there has been dancing since the October attack. Exactly my point. Criticism is not banned. Support for Israel is aiding genocide at this point. It seems the countries who support Israel most are those that sell them military supplies.
the point is about whether criticism of Israel is allowed. It is, both by people and politicians.
May I remind you that we’re discussing this on a post about how an Australian woman in Australia was viciously beaten by state actors (cops) for engaging in criticism of Israel.
There are also instances of EU(Irish) citizens being deported due to Palestine support.
Again, if someone’s being deported for criticizing Israel, I don’t think that really qualifies as “criticism is allowed”. In theory, I’m sure it is. In practice is a very different beast.
Yes, in a thread about global permissions to criticize. As it happens a friend of a friends knows her as she’s active in the green party. She (the victim) was there as a legal observer, and is a lawyer, so very unlikely she was doing anything to warrant the assault.
So, to answer your point, despite the post being about Australia, this thread is about the global response.
I agree, deportation if an EU citizen is unusual. That happened months ago. My point is that the tide has turned, even in Germany. It’s been permitted elsewhere indefinitely. The deportation was a sign of Gen breaking norms to support. There were also indications that of netanyahu came to France or Germany, he wouldn’t be arrested. There were also indications that he would, so he didn’t dare. Just like Putin hasn’t.
In Sydney, where this assault happened there are weekly peaceful pro-palesrinian protests in Hyde park since the October 7th response. So, are you trying to say criticism or Israel is not permitted in Australia, based on this, or just trying to shift the goalposts again?
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Genocide doesnt require direct killing. Forced sterilization and destruction of cultural identity is also genocide.
From Wikipedia:
“the destruction of a nation or of an ethnic group” by means such as “the disintegration of [its] political and social institutions, of [its] culture, language, national feelings, religion, and [its] economic existence”.
And there is plenty of documented proof of that. To deny that is to deny your own ability to see, read and think.
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To deny that is to deny your own ability to see, read and think.
So you admit to not being able to do any of those three?
Here have fun reading ~400 sources ranging from pre 2000 to present day.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China#ReferencesLiterally thousands of news organizations from left to right, old to new, small to large have reported on this. There are uncountable numbers of reports and pieces of evidence from texts to pictures to audio and video recordings to witness reports.
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If you ask me about some specific source, then you already know that what i have said is true and you are just trying to argue for the sake of arguing. If you know the name Adrian Zenz, then you know how to read a Wikipedia article.
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What do you mean by prove? This person just copy and pasted the definition.
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Why?
Because they are trying to catch people in a bad faith argument about the validity of specific individual sources.
If one of them tries to walk out, do they just let them?
Watched an interesting take from one of the Chinese politician or whatever they are called there.
He was blaming the US imperial forces causing turmoil in Afghanistan which leaked into the Chinese side and fumed some of the locals now wanting to split from China and wanting their own nation. Pollie said their leader is an american citizen. So I guess china has been detaining these people? Who knows.
So I guess china has been detaining these people? Who knows.
This is their loincloth of a justification for the genocide, yes.
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We must stand with Israel as they kill children and starve people and we beat the shit out of people who think that’s bad. Do you care about kids? Fuck you. We’ll kick your ass. Are you still defiant about hate? We’ll kick your ass even harder. Israel has a right to genocide a people right in front of us. If you don’t agree, you’re an anti-semite.
This comment is sarcasm. Shut up. Fuck genociders.
Masks are off now for the pretentious ‘western values’ countries invariably lecturing others.
Better article including video of the assault and description of the police’s woeful response to it.
And without a microsoft tracker. Comon people, please don’t share MSN links!
NSW Police attempted to move the group on, claiming the action was unauthorised.
This is scary to me, why do we need authorisation?
Pretty much all protest rights were stripped away in the last decade state by state, mostly as a reaction to environmental and climate protestets. Liberal and Labor both supported them. Only the Greens and some of the minor parties and independents were against them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_governing_public_demonstrations_in_Australia
I believe the last ones were Adelaide. But before that it was Melbourne, Sydney, etc. Its fucked and the major parties have zero desire to change the situation as it suits them.
Most western “democracies” turned protesting into a crime over the last 2 decades, under the guise of “national security” and other fallacies. Only a small percentage of the population took notice at the time, and the other 95+% are surprised that their rights were taken away when they weren’t paying attention.
Not that is makes a difference to the morality, but it was an opposition candidate for The Greens in the PM’s seat, not a current sitting pollie.
Morally it doesn’t make a difference, but it does make a difference fascism wise (slightly)
I request an eye for an eye
I’d feel better that we (Americans) don’t have a monopoly of fascism if the topic wasn’t goddamn fascism.
