“If people are wondering why this guy is popular, It’s because he does this outrageous thing called listening to what the people want”
Most of the crats listen. What this guy is doing is responding favorably to what he is hearing.
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Democrats are the perfect illustration of “it’s very difficult to make a man understand something, when his job depends on him not understanding it.”
All y’all miss the point?! Mamdani’s proposals are focused on what New York City voters told him they want. How can Democrats anywhere get game like his? Get their happy asses on the street and talk to everyone.
Mamdani interviewed Trump supporters and listened to them. He’s fascinating to watch, a politician that listens closely and responds to exactly what he heard, doesn’t spout a list of talking points.
All he’s saying is that Mamdani’s ideas may not be applicable to all Democratic constituents, but the listening part is the secret sauce.
Mamdani’s proposals are focused on what New York City voters told him they want.
I’d go a step further. He’s championed some very popular local policies, but he’s also trailblazing into territory that progressives still just have on the drawing board. The trick is that the progressive policies hinge on the municipal leadership providing real, tangible amenities to city residents.
Mamdani interviewed Trump supporters and listened to them.
Did Mamdani do well on Staten Island? Seems like that was Cuomo’s turf. Seems like he was much more tuned in with Brooklyn, Uptown Manhattan, and the Bronx. One reason why Richie Torres has completely flip-flopped on Mamdani is tied to how well Mamdani did in Torres’s district. Also why Jefferies is running scared.
But rent freezes and cheap groceries and free buses aren’t terribly popular with the landlords and the car owners way out in the 'burbs. His failure to jerk off the NYPD is probably his biggest vulnerability, outside pissing off AIPAC by running as a non-self-hating Arab. That’s where all of Adams’s and Cuomo’s supporters still live.
At the same time, the people hate the NYPD, those dirty fuckers. If you want the popular vote, you need to tell the pigs to go to hell, especially in New York where they’re some of the worst human beings around.
Too bad Pete slammed Bernie in the 2020 debates, following the script given to him by the DNC. If he had actually supported Bernie, we wouldn’t be in this fascist mess.
I think people misunderstand. Pete is saying that Democrats should pretend to care about people while not actually doing so.
"You need both a public and a private position” -Hillary Clinton
Did she really say that?
Reminder that Bernie Sanders lost both primaries by not getting enough votes from American voters.
Hard Truth: Bernie isn’t as popular in reality as he is on the internet.
Hard Truth: You’re mistaken. That’s not actually how things played out. Many of us remember it well, and those who are too young or were too busy can easily read the details in the history books.
… But hey, I don’t blame you for trying. Pro-corporate Democrats and their supporters should be scared of candidates who advance real left-wing policies. Your policies are failing the country, and your power is waning.
Hard truth: he polled better than Clinton among the demographics that voted Trump into office. Shame the DNC railroaded him by publicly announcing that delegates wouldn’t vote for him. Shame they strategically pulled other candidates from the race to shore up votes for Biden in 2020. You can also thank him for meeting with Biden’s team during Covid and crafting a joint platform to help them win votes, since Biden barely has a progressive bone in his body. Shame about the surrounding elections, who knows what went wrong there?
Hard truth: Donna Brazile and Elizabeth Warren gave public statements that the 2016 primary was rigged before they walked it back. That Donna Brazile, the one who gave two questions to the Clinton campaign before the debate. You’re free to speculate as to why the former chair of the DNC and another railroaded progressive voice in the party would have knowingly made such a statement on the record.
Hard truth: Bernie’s policies are popular. The ones the Democrats have adopted are the only things keeping them above water, and unless you’re looking forward to a Democratic Party that chases the white male vote by being hard on crime and immigration again—and those strategy meetings have occurred and you’re free to read about them—you’re going to have to change your tune.
Yeah, the super delegates voting ahead of the public and putting their fingers on the scale to create a massive lead out the gate had no affect on the minds of voters whatsoever.
The DNC is corrupt trash.
At the same time, I’ll still put the majority of the blame on voters. Primary turnout is like 15% of eligible voters. Completely embarrassing.
Wow Pete, that is some high grade denial and or delusion you got there.
It’s neither. It’s pre-approved Party Thought. They will do anything they can to keep the status quo, and we will see if mamdani starts a demsoc movement in the US, we will watch the DNC very quickly embrace fascism.
democrats are desperate to believe and for other people to believe that it’s not about his policies. oh it’s because TikTok. it’s because he seems genuine and talks to people. it’s because people support Hamas or whatever…
no matter why it is, it’s definitely not because socialism is attractive to voters. don’t tell us we have to actually care about the fucking poors now. don’t tell us AIPAC money is poison now.
The lesson I learned is fight for ranked choice voting.
This is the way.
No you fucking dipshit we want the government to actually do things to improve our fucking lives and nobody but socialists seems to understand that anymore
This is bullshit. What people want is someone is willing gut the DNC of the old guard. They need people who care, but also someone whose willing to create a political program where the voters needs come before the donors and politicians. Everyone knows that the Republicans before 2016 and the the Dems of the last 50 years only saw the voters as an inconvience to what they each thought they were entitled to.
That was great - now I really want to watch that special!
Same! I didnt even know he had specials!
Push shit people care about? Idk you think that strategy would really work? I should probably ask the consultants about it first.
Bro we’re serious this time. We just need to work on messaging while not actually offering voters anything.
I’ll go get the Big List of Biden Accomplishments - all of which were wins of varying sizes from small to historic - for “voters” and draw out all the boo birds who don’t give a crap.
“Offering the voters anything” how about NOT fascism and all the science, education, and aid stays properly funded? No? Maybe this isn’t the target market for that kind of thing. Maybe we need the soccer moms and whatever because the radical left won’t even support AOC for . . . what was it? Oh yeah “shepherding neolibs into the DNC”.
how about NOT fascism and all the science, education, and aid stays properly funded?
Biden didn’t off either of those, lol.
Oh yeah “shepherding neolibs into the DNC”.
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Everytime Biden could have had a big win he went the opposite direction, just like the Kamala campaign.
Student loan forgiveness - > use weakest method, water down and drag out to pointlessly means test then say you can’t do anything after courts say no. With bonus we’ll let the loans start back up as a compromise for nothing with gop
Gaza genocide - > say you’re doing everything you can to stop it while doing nothing but give weapons to those doing the genocide.
Trump does treason - > out a republican in place who slow walks the investigation so it takes so long trump back in office to shut it down.
Build back better - > continuously give in to 1 senator until it’s so watered down it doesn’t even do what it started out to accomplish.
how about NOT fascism - > were going to do their exact immigration bill to prove we’re just as hard on minorities as they are.
Biden’s biggest accomplishment is letting Trump win by fucking up the election and taking up bad policies.
The blame is with the democrats for not appealing to their base, not with voters for not siding with them.
Biden’s biggest accomplishment is letting Trump win by fucking up the election and taking up bad policies.
Nah, you’re just completely and utterly ignorant to all of his actual accomplishments because you never bothered to pay attention and have a fetish for whining.
Fucking up at the end of your term doesn’t erase everything else you did accomplish.
Is this the list with all the duplicate entries that gives biden credit for Obama’s accomplishments and counts repainting air force one as an accomplishment?
I’ll settle for Universal Healthcare.
Yeah. Maybe if we could get a majority in both houses that didn’t include Manchin, Sinema, or Lieberman. Maybe some people could run that were able to win?
You had a D president and D majorities in the house (39 seat) and the senate (7 seat). Best you could do was Obamacare. If a single guy can neutralize a 7-seat majority, and you can’t take away his power to do that (you could, but you didn’t) then the game is clear. It’s been a controlled opposition scenario for a long time now.
Well yeah, 57 isn’t 60, so it couldn’t pass filibuster. They could remove the need for filibuster but that ALSO REQUIRES 60 VOTES.
There’s a method of getting rid of the filibuster with a simple majority - the so called “nuclear option” we’ve been hearing about. Perhaps you agree that the public option wasn’t worth it. I don’t. And I claim that was a deliberte choice made by the controlled opposition to protect private capital. They could have passed it, but they didn’t and the story sold that time was bad Joe Lieberman killed it.
the republican neutered the original bill of "ACA’ and they wernt going to agree with it unless its watered down, plus there were a ton of DINOS at the time too.
How many republicans agreed to vote for it at the end?
What do you mean they watered it down? It started out as their halfway plan, ie Romneycare.
Technically the Republicans didn’t even agree with the watered down bill, the one we had to convince to pass via supermajority was Ind Joe Leieberman.
I’m tired of excuses. Universal Healthcare, or guillotine.
Universal Healthcare, or guillotine.
Here’s the thing. You, and most Americans, don’t have the balls to put these people in a guillotine. Those are just big words you’re using on the internet.
You aren’t getting Universal Healthcare in the next election. Or the one after that. Reality, especially in this country of fat asses sitting on their couches, is not going to be we get it all now or they get executed. The reality is we’re going to have to dig in and start the long process of reforming the Democrat party by primarying people that won’t get onboard with our demands. Conservatives literally just did that to the Republican party over the last decade or so.
Make your choice.
No offense but the rate things are deteriorating, the new gestapo are going to have people like me and you in the guillotine within the next decade. Thanks for fucking us both over and ensuring NO ONE gets medical funding, jackass.
I’m even more tired of taking the blame for “inciting fascists to fascist” than I am tired of excuses.
Your options are “Universal Healthcare” or “Guillotine”.
Sure, good luck!
Is the radical left in the room with us now?
I didn’t know opposition to genocide was a radical stance.
Goddamn, it got removed before I could reply.
You bet your sweet bippy
trump and congress already set up THE dEMS TO fail on thier next election anyways, with the BBB, and department cuts, they will issue all MSM to blame Ds non-stop, conservatives, and low info people have memory of goldfishes.
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Are you trying to claim Biden didn’t commit genocide?
No i also care about the policies.
Idk if I’m the minority but there shouldn’t be a “middle ground” between making money off owing homes and people’s ability to live in one.
Fuck Pete, he helped stop Bernie Sanders, you know the guy who was running on a platform that people liked.
You are not in the minority. Housing is a human right, although apparently not an American right.
Ideology is such a scary word, what people want is platitudes
Yes, I totally agree. Release the Epstein files.
Mamdani’s is not part of the club and they will try their best to block him like Bernie.
mamdani, AOC, bernie, even buttigeg isnt really what the dnc is looking for. Buttigeg mainly becauses hes gay isnt really meshing well with older Dem voters.
So, in other words…his advice is to adopt the language, but not the policies.
Yeah, it’s not like democrats have a credibility problem.
Yes, we call out Republicans for being the party of pedophiles (of which they are) and then NOT take away people’s rights.
He’s fundamentally right, if your goal is to try to win elections. The actual content of what politicians say they’re going to do matters less than how they make voters feel. Case in point, voters favor Democratic policies over Republican by a wide margin when presented with specific issues, yet still continue to vote for Republicans.
He’s fundamentally right, if your goal is to try to win elections.
That works until you need to win re-election and everyone saw what you became when you took office.
FDR won 4 consecutive elections not because he had “good messaging”, but because he actually delivered for the people. Republicans had to instill term limits because they didn’t want that happening again.
You think he would have won even a second term if he didn’t get the US out of the Great Depression with his policies? WWII economy also played a part here, but in modern times, the US has been in perpetual war with several different countries, and the only people getting rich off that are the wealthy few, again, due to policy.
FDR had fantastic messaging. FDR was the first president to use mass media to speak directly to the people through his fireside chats. He definitely connected with people on an emotional level.
Also the Great Depression didn’t end until well into his second term
The problem with that strategy, is that eventually people will stop showing up for you, if all you do is lie to them over and over again, just to get elected.
It may work with Republicans, who have been literally brainwashed for generations, into turning off their ability to think critically…but the rest of us aren’t that gullible. This is the entire reason Democrats are losing right now. These people need to wake up and realize, that “talk” is not enough to convince people to vote for them anymore. They need to see them actually do something to back up the rhetoric, or they’re not going to bother.
The Democratic politicians won’t ever realize that because they’re paid not to realize that.
I didn’t say anything about lying. Lying to voters who can think critically is going to lose you elections.
My point about the importance of connecting on an emotional level still stands, and this is best accomplished authentically.
Unfortunately, I heard some Democratic news analysts on the FT Swamp Notes podcast say basically that. That you can’t really do what you say when you campaign. That you campaign in poetry and govern in prose (whatever that means). They were referring to Mamdani’s aggressive critique of billionaires and how he suggest silly things like free bussing.*
They will say that they didn’t lie. That they would love to do all this stuff. But we have to be realists here. And the things is if you critique them, they call you a child.
Whatever happens in progressive politics, we need to be careful. I don’t know if we can make it far with out the establishment, but if we do ride along side with them, we should make it clear that we have the will of people behind us and we should expect them to betray us the first chance they get.
* The more establishment person wrapped her critique in how free bussing doesn’t solve the issue with the subways. This reminded me of how Republicans criticized Biden’s work on student loan forgiveness because tuition was still high. Neither side is wrong, but let’s do something that makes a difference for the average person.
Except not really, because look what’s happened in the last 20 years. A lot of people voted Republican because the Democrats didn’t actually deliver on anything good. And sometimes the situation is complicated, like if you’re trying to reform tax law or something like that, yet other times it’s incredibly simple, like if you’re trying to stop genocide. We cannot expect the majority of voters to be well informed on a complex issues but we can absolutely assume that they will be partly informed on the simple ones.
