The rich decided they will just relocate to cooler zones and leave climate refugees to die. That is why the US is trying to take Greenland and co-opt Canada. Also why border security is getting so much attention. Climate refugees will be a major issue in the future between rising seas and unlivable heat zones.
“Global warming” was always a weak formulation of the problem, and “climate change” is even weaker. I prefer “Anthropogenic runaway global heating” which has the handy acronym ARGH.
If it’s not heat waves, it’s several days of hard rain, dirty water swirling round your hips, and the constant threat of leptospirosis or rat shit disease.
Nah but we’re getting rid of the NASA satellites that monitor this so we won’t see climate change anymore
Most Americans thinking in Fahrenheit are gonna think this doesn’t look so bad.
Yeah 50 degrees still seems kind of chilly
50 is “cook an egg on the hood of your car” weather, lol.
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I’m surprised there has been so little ecoterrorism in response to climate change.
Have you read The Ministry for the Future? Pretty much that plot line. People just get fed up and take it into their own hands. I liked it.
I was expecting some kind of analog to the terrorist groups of the 70s in Europe for sure. But all the violence is coming from the other side.
“ignore it until you can’t anymore”
Lol. A few years ago we watched conservatives ignore COVID until they were literally dead.
So they ignored it until they couldn’t anymore.
No, brother. The dead ignore everything. Not even the death of our sun will wake them.
Ignoring something requires intent.
Or it at least requires awareness
Does a mountain ignoring a man mean that the mountain has the capacity to take notice?
Ignorance is simply entropy by another name. Information is energy, and ignorance is the absence.
Definition of ignore: refuse to take notice of or acknowledge; disregard intentionally.
A mountain doesn’t ignore anything because it doesn’t have the capacity to be aware of anything to then choose to ignore it.
I was sure that would decimate their voter base, between those who died and those who were left to see the fall out.
The harrowing thing for me about “Don’t Look Up”, was that you couldn’t tell if it was about climate change, or Covid, or basically any other far-right political denialism.
More horror than dark comedy, hard to laugh after watching it. Such utter helplessness after all other attempts to stop extinction from happening fail.
Makes you wish you first have to raise a revolution – deal with those elites awash in absolute power and then get rid of them from ever ruling – before taking on the task of combating the actual horror about to happen. But right now and what is infuriating is that those bastards in power are trying to squelch the voices rising up to pull them down.
I assumed it was covid at first, but then I realised how long it takes to make a movie and it came out too soon… It was just that accurate.
Funny how a lot of criticism was about how it was “too on the nose”, but really, it still seems to have gone over people’s heads
The ending is what really got me.
They all just sat down and kept trying to live life the way they always had, like going back and making everything the way it was just for a little while was all they could do in the face of obliteration.
I don’t know about anyone else, but the way that scene is drawn out, as the viewer, I was just expecting some deus ex machina shit to happen, like a volcano would divert the shockwave, or they would survive under the rubble, or the whole thing was a fever dream… And they all just get obliterated by the disaster they all knew was coming and no longer preventable. It’s how I feel living in a house with AC, and having two cars in the driveway. I’m contributing to the climate crisis, but as an individual, I have zero impact in what is happening. The people with the power to cut back and actually make an impact on the climate won’t, because they only have that power though greed above everything else.
Anyway, sorry if you’re depressed after reading it. When we hit +1.5C, all the cool people can come over to my house for a nice dinner before the food supply collapses and the famine sets in.
Yea, it’s the ending line
“We had it good”
that really got me. The resignation that there’s just things out of your control even if you go down fighting.
If that’s your attitude, why are you waiting until later to open your home, share meals, or lend your car to people?
Theft, money, insurance.
I wanna change the world, but I still have to live in it first.
I don’t get that criticism. Being on the nose and over the top is a stylistic choice that can be really wonderful. I mean look at Bong Joon-Ho’s movies. They are all extremely on the nose. It seems like critics just have a smug preference for subtlety and ambiguity
Being on the nose and over the top is a stylistic choice that can be really wonderful
Right, but it can also be obnoxious to beat over the head with the same concept over and over. ]
It seems like critics just have a smug preference for subtlety and ambiguity
I don’t know why you ascribe smugness to it, someone that watches movies for a living is obviously gonna prefer films that don’t waste time telling the audience something more than necessary.
Let’s not forget they were all, and still are, shitting their organs out on horse dewormer
Can we ban the phrase “politics isn’t my thing”? Saying it is punishable by 1 hour in the nearest town stockade.
Where they are subjected to nothing but municipal regional and national legislature recordings
“It’s only going to get worse.”
That’s the theme going forward for humanity. The older I get, the more I realize humans just aren’t intelligent enough, as a whole, to adapt to a world changing at an ever increasing rate, requiring a larger percentage of humanity to work in unison to accomplish goals.
It’s looking more and more like we’re a failed experiment.
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Our selfish survival instincts that allowed us to get to where we are now will also be our downfall.
We didn’t get here through selfishness though. That’s the saddest thing. Human development has always been inherently cooperative. The tribe survived what killed the individual.
I’m not denying humans can be selfish. But societal selfishness on the scale we have now has to be enforced on some subliminal level in my opinion.
Behavioral, not subliminal. Interacting through a market selects for individual, atomized behaviors from people and corrodes social spaces that used to exist outside the exchanging of money and goods.
It’s not about intelligence, it’s about mass manipulation starting from the youngest age. Intelligence isn’t an inherent trait, it is taught. And the system has been perfected to ingrain fear and ignorance or apathy and tiredness in our minds.
It’s not about the species being “stupid”, that narrative is part of the poison that manipulates us, and is ultimately, an incredibly stupid thing
If I put my hand on a stove. It hurts. I learn not to do that again.
If I live in a region that has been controlled by a specific party for generations and life sucks, and I keep voting for that party, then I’m stupid.
If I’m suffering the effects of global warming after professionals have spent decades telling me it was happening, and I choose to continue ignoring it, I’m stupid.
You’re trying to absolve ADULTS from the responsibility of self-education. Of learning from experience.
There’s a lot of misinformation out there. But adults shouldn’t be waiting for someone to tell them what to think. It’s their responsibility to learn from obvious mistakes. There are plenty of people in history that have left organized religion because they learned, through experience, that it was bullshit. That means anyone that isn’t willfully ignorant can do the same.
If they posted the temperature in Farenheit maybe they could get Americans on board
Yes, but even in the US I can recognize that 50°C is literally halfway to boiling (from freezing).
… You’re right though, it still took longer to get an intuitive sense than 122°F would have.
“ayo 50 degrees? that just about autumn weather! these damn europeans are stoopid!”
I work with a lot of conservatives (the American kind that deny anthropological climate change and anti-vax/mask). They aren’t ignoring it anymore - though there are plenty that do because stupid. They’re just handwaving it away as some natural cycle of the sun and “there’s nothing we can do about it.”
They just engage in whatever mental gymnastics that avoids the thousands of years of collective scientific knowledge and analysis that says they’re wrong so they won’t a) get the stink of being a liberal tree-hugger on them, b) be inconvenienced by any required effort or sacrifice on their part to help mitigate it, c) have to pay a single cent for it.
All the boomers who retired in Florida are paying the price.
Love watching videos where they cry about their special assessments due to insurance spikes exposing how under funded their HoAs among other idiotic behaviours they are known to engage in as “property owners”
There is some justice in the world.
Social security Queens ain’t rich enough to take these hits… They assumed they were in the club 🤡
“Its a natural solar cycle” is literal fossil fuels climate denial circa 2003 when An Inconvenient Truth came out.
Also doesn’t make any goddamn sense for multiple reasons, the primary being that it only changes the temp by 0.1°C maximum, and as were currently working our way through the ‘grand solar minimum’ of the cycle from 2020 to 2053, and so far - line still goes up.
Pretty charts and science (which they will likely ignore): https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-incoming-sunlight
At least one of the conservatives I know believes the dinosaurs died in a great biblical flood. This is powerful “you can’t reason somebody out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into” energy.
We need to do a better job teaching kids physics. Imo since trump laid off so many scientists my thought would be to send them all to schools and churches as guest speakers for science.
What we actually need is classes on critical thinking - basic formal and informal logic as a mandatory part of school cirriculums at whatever age it is appropriate.
We also need to move away from the hierarchical top-down mode of education we use today.
I agree and Science is inherently a subject that teaches critical thinking because of the scientific method.
I do feel like our society also suffers from most our society being run by business majors and lawyers who build careers on ratfucking and storytelling.
I modded r/collapse for a little under a year. Joined the sub back in 2012 or so. I still read it, though I no longer participate.
We are absolutely fucked. I have been through the stages of grief more times than I like to admit. My goal right now is to hurry my way through the stages when I bounce back and get to acceptance. Every once in a while something will trigger me and I will spiral for several days.
Once you get past the grief, the anger, the bargaining, the acceptance makes things clear. Our world is run by people who simply don’t care. Their short life spans give them no ability to think long term for our planet or even our species. All they care about is the right now and fictional numbers going up.
We are absolutely fucked.
Oh, it’s worse than that. We may have fucked the planet and all life on it.
Anything that is in motion - like the climate - has an “inertia”.
In past warming events, the planetary ecosystem was able to migrate across thousands of kilometers to provide “resistance” to that inertia, because said climate changes were happening across tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of years.
Our current changes are happening in 0.01% of the time.
That means it has massive inertia, and there is far too little time for carbon-sequestering ecosystems to migrate in order to survive. That even if we stop pumping out CO2e - and no, our output is still accelerating - the feedback loops that are kicking off across the planet will push us into +12-16℃ of warming without any more input from us.
You know what happens at +12-16℃ of warming? A Venus Scenario.
And we are now discovering credible evidence that warming has kicked into overdrive in the last 2-3 years, in that we will see more warming in the next 10 years than we have seen in the last 50. Think +3℃ by some time in the late 2030s, and +4℃ by the 2050s.
And you know what will happen at +4℃? The extinction of megafauna - anything over 45Kg - planet-wide. Including humans.
Fun times.
I’m well aware that things are going to get dire. Venus by Tuesday, if the fish can be trusted.
Yeah. The future is dark, no matter what angle you look at it from.
I don’t think humans will go extinct. We’re very persistent and very good at surviving. But I think there’s going to be mass death and forever wars over resources. I think our total population size is going to plummet.
We just don’t have what it takes to get enough of our species working together to address these large scale problems the future presents. Too much greed. Too much selfishness. Too much ignorance.
Watching that sub collapse from the influx of people realising something was wrong with the world always amused me, I tried my best to stop people blowing up over Sam Carana posts, doomsday apocalypse predictions, the newest fad political posturing/doomsday devices.
There was a lot of great information there; it was pretty much the only reason I kept reddit around. Thanks for modding.
I wanted to go to school for this stuff, but conservative “values” have infiltrated every aspect of society is ways even most progressives take for granted and you get smacked down if you want to change anything. The only value they care about is Dollar Value.
I read collapse for a good while. Same story. Just spiraling into depression and fear for the present and future. The worst part is not really knowing how quickly it will all go. If it was quick I’d just prepare for a life not worth living as things implode into anarchy. Starving or being killed by marauding thieves isn’t a great place to be. If it were longer term maybe buying a piece of land and preparing for intermittent utilities and food supplies might be an option. The not knowing is the worst part, and yeah, the willful blindness to just “get mine” while they can and ignoring how worthless it will all be when it collapses is mind boggling. No good having a million dollars to buy an apple when there are mo apples to be had.
I used to main hanging around and shitposting on /r Collapse. They had so many useful resources.
I believe in man made climate change, just not from burning fossil fuels. Now let me tell you about the promise of geoengineering…
I got a ‘‘low air quality’’ alert on my phone. I live in the middle of nowhere. But I can’t see the mountains from all the ash in the sky. This is no longer novel to me.
