Ok I’m gonna sound like a conservative. But holy shit the pronouns. No. The only pronoun AI gets is “it”. You don’t start calling these things he/her. Nope nope nope.
Careful, the fascists will tell you this is hate speech, if you replace “AI” with “person” it’s the same hateful pattern, and use it as doublespeak proof that the left are the REAL intolerant ones
That’s a bit like saying a drawing of a fictional woman is also an it. But it’s not, it’s a representation of a woman so it’s a she.
Just because you don’t like ai doesn’t mean you get to change how language works. Weaponising language sounds like straight out of the transphobe playbook
Calling the depiction of a woman in the image a she is fine. The image is clearly depicting a woman.
Saying “she earned” in regard to knuckleheads clicking on an AI audio collection is incorrect in two ways: the audio files did not come from a she, and there was no earning involved. An audio LLM is unrelated to a depiction of a woman in an image, and cannot earn anything.
Thanks. You explained the misunderstanding in my comment that the comment you’re replying to missed.
I missed this misunderstanding and went off on an unhinged rant I deleted. Should have recognized that they were talking about images and I was referring to the context you referred to.
Calling an AI “she” is giving a different degree of humanity than what we refer to with “her” when talking about the artist portrayal of a woman.
It’s like calling the algorithm that generated a picture of a women “she” vs. calling the women IN the image “she”.
I missed this misunderstanding and you clarified it perfectly.
Maybe, but I think it’s still pretty grey this thread is clouded by people’s opinions about AI rather than what’s the best way to communicate about something.
“<The cartoon character> was great last season. She really won people’s hearts”
pretending the AI voice, generated from the theft of labor value of countless artist, should be given the pronoun of a living person
I get your point, and it’s fair to be upset about AI companies pulling some shit, but that’s literally how language works and it’s a terribly inefficient and petty way to express your disapproval.
It’s also a bit weird to belittle someone so harshly for pointing out the parallels of transphobic language despite the logical argument, and then try to use gendered language to belittle a product by going out of your way to call it an it. Like it or not, that’s exactly what transphobes do.
The Mona Lisa is an it even though it depicts a historical person. It’s also a she. It hangs in the Louvre and her smile has captivated millions. Gender is a social construct and we can nudge society different directions. We can encourage people to maintain a distinction between real people and imitations.
I think society has long established that we give inanimate objects and constructs gender. Bart Simpson is a he, despite being a cartoon voiced by a woman. He‘s often written by a woman, too, and the animation team will be mixed (although probably leaning male). Yet he remains a he in popular parlance.
Perhaps more akin to this situation, there’s a long tradition of referring to animated singers by the gender they present as. Gem & the Holograms are referred to as female, as are Josie & the Pussycats. Hatsune Miku - possibly the most direct comparison, being the first and most well-known “virtual singer” - is always a “she”. None of these are real people or based on real people.
Yeah referring to it either way is fine. Everyone would understand what you mean, but saying that using she is incorrect isn’t right.
Language is about describing things so that people understand and literally nobody will have a hard time when she is used. Which means that it’s correct despite your opinions about AI
Ok I’m gonna sound like a conservative. But holy shit the pronouns. No. The only pronoun AI gets is “it”. You don’t start calling these things he/her. Nope nope nope.
Careful, the fascists will tell you this is hate speech, if you replace “AI” with “person” it’s the same hateful pattern, and use it as doublespeak proof that the left are the REAL intolerant ones
their pronouns are Clanker/tin skin
Wireback or code-blooded.
That’s a bit like saying a drawing of a fictional woman is also an it. But it’s not, it’s a representation of a woman so it’s a she.
Just because you don’t like ai doesn’t mean you get to change how language works. Weaponising language sounds like straight out of the transphobe playbook
Calling the depiction of a woman in the image a she is fine. The image is clearly depicting a woman.
Saying “she earned” in regard to knuckleheads clicking on an AI audio collection is incorrect in two ways: the audio files did not come from a she, and there was no earning involved. An audio LLM is unrelated to a depiction of a woman in an image, and cannot earn anything.
Thanks. You explained the misunderstanding in my comment that the comment you’re replying to missed.
I missed this misunderstanding and went off on an unhinged rant I deleted. Should have recognized that they were talking about images and I was referring to the context you referred to.
Calling an AI “she” is giving a different degree of humanity than what we refer to with “her” when talking about the artist portrayal of a woman.
It’s like calling the algorithm that generated a picture of a women “she” vs. calling the women IN the image “she”.
I missed this misunderstanding and you clarified it perfectly.
Maybe, but I think it’s still pretty grey this thread is clouded by people’s opinions about AI rather than what’s the best way to communicate about something.
“<The cartoon character> was great last season. She really won people’s hearts”
The down votes on correct opinions on lemmy is getting worse.
Oh I thought we were on Reddit
Yeah thats my point! Lemmy is slowly feelimh more like reddit.
[Deleted] because I don’t want more responses to a misunderstanding. Clarified here.
https://lemmy.ml/comment/21513129
Least unhinged .ml user.
You might be right, but you’re still being an arsehole about it.
Eh, I was wrong because the pronoun being referred to was not the same. The reply to my original comment missed my point and I didn’t realize it.
If you think I was right then you probably had the same misunderstanding I did. I responded to clarify that above. My assholeness was definitely true.
Boy, what a rant.
I get your point, and it’s fair to be upset about AI companies pulling some shit, but that’s literally how language works and it’s a terribly inefficient and petty way to express your disapproval.
It’s also a bit weird to belittle someone so harshly for pointing out the parallels of transphobic language despite the logical argument, and then try to use gendered language to belittle a product by going out of your way to call it an it. Like it or not, that’s exactly what transphobes do.
I’m not reading that, I was just pointing out some facts of language.
Apparently facts can trigger
The Mona Lisa is an it even though it depicts a historical person. It’s also a she. It hangs in the Louvre and her smile has captivated millions. Gender is a social construct and we can nudge society different directions. We can encourage people to maintain a distinction between real people and imitations.
I think society has long established that we give inanimate objects and constructs gender. Bart Simpson is a he, despite being a cartoon voiced by a woman. He‘s often written by a woman, too, and the animation team will be mixed (although probably leaning male). Yet he remains a he in popular parlance.
Perhaps more akin to this situation, there’s a long tradition of referring to animated singers by the gender they present as. Gem & the Holograms are referred to as female, as are Josie & the Pussycats. Hatsune Miku - possibly the most direct comparison, being the first and most well-known “virtual singer” - is always a “she”. None of these are real people or based on real people.
The painting is an it but the subject in the painting is a she.
I think you’re going to get some funny looks if you called a female cartoon character or something an it. Which is what OP insisted we do
Computer programs/statistical models are its though.
Yeah referring to it either way is fine. Everyone would understand what you mean, but saying that using she is incorrect isn’t right.
Language is about describing things so that people understand and literally nobody will have a hard time when she is used. Which means that it’s correct despite your opinions about AI