Under the order, private businesses can choose to display signage indicating that ICE cannot enter without a warrant—thereby designating “their property as part of a city-wide network of community spaces that stand together in affirming the safety, dignity, and belonging of all of our residents,” the mayor said.
Johnson touted the order for building “a broad civic shield that limits the reach of harmful enforcement practices. It strengthens neighborhood solidarity and it reaffirms Chicago’s role as a welcoming city.”
“This is SICK,” said the president’s team, accusing Johnson of “aiding and abetting criminal illegal immigrant killers, rapists, traffickers, and gang bangers.”
Still waiting for a single shred of evidence about any of this
Also still waiting for the trump/Epstein files!
Notice how they haven’t deployed to Texas and Florida. Hmmm, what do they both have in common politically?
As usual, it’s projection all the way. You’ll find them all in the oval office.
Nothing pisses off a dictator than being told “no”
I love a president who decides he’ll only represent some of the people.
A real unidivider
Something that the current ICE activity brings to light is how lopsided government power has become in the US. The federal government has too much internal power and influence on US soil while state and local governments have too little.
Unless a state/local government is actively engaging in interstate crime against the wishes of their neighboring states the federal government shouldn’t have any authority to impose federal laws/rules on those states.
The power structure of this country was more bottom up when it came to government authority and state autonomy when we broke off from the UK, we should seriously get back to that in some respects.
The federal government has too much internal power and influence
It gets messy when the administration ignores the rule of law and owns the judiciary enough to make it legal.
I agree with the gist of that, but being born and raised in the deep south, I believe the federal government coming in to enforce civil rights was very necessary.
That is not what this is. This is literally the opposite, and its insane that they are seriously trying to make that comparison.
The federal government came in to desegregate public schools. They didn’t drop from helicopters on to the roof of private domiciles and send swat teams to kick down doors to arrest anybody opposed to desegregation.
The government is supposed to protect and defend the rights of every American, even if you disagree with them. That’s also why “DEI” exists, and I hate to break it to anyone who gets angry hearing “DEI” talk, but if you’re not named something like “Welslyian Trottersworth IV,” like it or not, you have most likely benefitted from “DEI practices,” at some point in your life.
Edit: And for those who might be asking, well what about young Welslyian? Why is he somehow less deserving just for being born into a consequence free life full of untouchable privilege? Welslyian IV is entitled to the same rights as anyone else, but exactly who TF do you think you need protection from? Who is it that you believe made society exclusionary in the first place?
If your ancestors were among the unfortunate souls who had to leap to their deaths from a burning building because Welslyian the first had locked the factory door to keep workers from taking unnecessary breaks on the clock; or those who went down into the coal mine one day only to be buried alive and abandoned because Welslyian the first knew he could save money by just closing off the caved in mines and starting over with new workers, maybe, just maybe, you should be asking yourself why you’re so concerned about Welslyian IV not reaping the benefits of “DEI practices?”
Do you think Welslyians I-IV have ever given a shit about you or your well being? Or have they always just exploited you for their own personal gain? If you know the answer to that, then why do you think they need you to be so concerned on their behalf now, and why do you keep falling for it?
They did send in the national guard to desegregate schools though.
https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/little-rock-school-desegregation
f you’re not named something like “Welslyian Trottersworth IV,”
I feel attacked
It’s ok Null. Until you have a Null User Object IV…
It should be noted that public schools are, well public. The feds shouldn’t have a domestic police force they can target at anything they want and customs enforcement should be severely restricted geographically.
It blows my mind that ICE shut down its like human trafficking, crime etc divisions to go after like farmworkers and home depot parking lots. It shows that what conservatives are most afraid of is seeing brown people in public and talk of “immigration enforcement” should be nakedly seen as what it actually is.
Politicians talking about immigration should address it as such; no “bipartisan” immigration bills. You either believe in supreme court rubber stamped racial profiling or you believe in laws. There’s no bipartisanship when both sides are talking about different things. Democrats or a new party need to come up with an actual immigration system reform wholly distinct from republican race wars.
Imo these functions should be split back up and there need to be a constitutional amendment banning the arrest of anyone under any law by a person without either a displayed ID showing a state issued badge or a warrant.
I don’t have problems with DEI, but I would rather hold #4 up to the consequences of his own actions rather than those of his ancestors.
He is held up to the consequences of his own actions. #4 is not having his rights taken away bc some poor kid wrote an essay and got a spot at a university doing science for the summer, and #4s family made too much money for him to qualify.
#4 still has the connections that make it possible to call up family friends and say #4 wants to work in a lab this summer, here are his hours make it happen, and definitely has the money to go to a science camp for an entire summer.
Professor O’Hara’s kid might also not qualify for that particular spot. Luckily he has his own connections, despite growing up poor, because professor O’Hara qualified for a similar spot as a kid and now he works at a university.
Some random kid like myself, who grew up poor white trash, with zero connections, but will become the first person in their family to graduate from college, yet have no idea how to navigate college when they get there, could really benefit from getting a spot like that.
I would have qualified, but I didn’t have that particular opportunity as a kid. Luckily there were other programs available that helped me navigate college once I got there. Thanks to those programs, I have also gotten to work with other kids who will also become the first in their family to graduate from college.
Those types of programs and practices are exactly where the majority of villainized DEI funding actually goes to. Funny that nobody seems to give a fuck about where that funding is now going instead, and who will benefit.
Don’t worry about #4 though, he’ll be just fine bc it turns out he happened to get a huge government contract to help build the new data center in town. Maybe someday my kids will have the privilege of toiling in one of his kid’s factories, and fighting their boss for the right to unionize. Just like in the good ole days (and like my own father tried and failed to do multiple times when I was growing up). Is that what progress is supposed to look like?
I don’t know, states have plenty of power in many ways. CA is constantly banning things, Texas banned abortions, etc. I sure as hell wouldn’t want NC’s legislature in control of the nation.
My great-grandfather would lose his shit if someone had told him that feds would be invading states against the wishes of the local governments. We forgot what America is supposed to be.
My grandfather fought actual Nazis, sometimes I ask myself what he would think of our political situation today.
He’d be under investigation for being a member of a terrorist organization.
My grandfather fought actual Nazis
My grandfather was in the Navy during the 1940s. My uncle was in the FBI during the 1980s. My brother is in the National Guard in the 2020s.
The times, they are a-changin’.
I ask myself what he would think of our political situation today.
There’s a joke about going back to 1789 and telling George Washington what has happened in the past 250 years.
And his first response is “Wait, you let a black guy become president?! That’s not what we fought for!”
His second response probably involves asking to see “Hot MILFs in your neighborhood”
I am older; my Dad was an older guy when he had me. He fought in WWII.
Growing up he always told me: “I fought the jackboots. One day it will be your turn.”
I don’t know what happened to all the pre Rand Paul libertarians that everybody thought were paranoid talking about government overreach in the 90s?
Federal agents dropping from a fucking helicopter to an apartment building in Chicago, kicking down doors, zip tying crying children, keeping people they just pulled from their homes in cuffs for hours without letting them contact a lawyer, and raiding the entire building like fucking pirates to steal peoples valuables is so fucking far beyond “overreach.”
what happened to all the pre Rand Paul libertarians
I was one of them. I was in deep. I’ve met Ron Paul multiple times. I know some of his former staffers.
I will tell you what happened:
- They were right that in fact the Government is spying on everyone, and bald-face lied about it (Clapper)
- They then assumed that the Government can only lie, and that everything official is by definition untrue
- A supermajority of them are religious faithful. They can be super educated but they still believe in Bronze-Age fairy stories and “personal Truth”
- … which made them easy targets for Russian disinfo
It’s so banal. But it’s the truth. I know because I watched my former friends turn into people who intentionally spread COVID, to “show up the hoax”
They’re keeping us separated by race. As long as it’s “inner-city thugs” aka black people or latinos, the majority of rural America can handle it until it’s too late especially if they only consumer curated propaganda. Well, that’s what they hope. the people in charge of this are actually pretty fucking stupid though. Let’s show them how wrong they are.
Started with immigrants, definitely moving towards targeting people in inner cities to test the waters, then based on that recent memo next is “Antifa” or anyone opposed to the Trump admin.
People still refusing to see this are in for a hell of surprise when they wake up to a swat team raiding their suburban and rural homes, and find out wanting the Epstein files released means you’re also an official member of Antifa.
I’m an eternal optimist as long as I can breathe air and feel love. I think they’re moving too fast. I think they’ve crossed their Rubicon and what’s waiting in Rome isn’t what they think it will be.
I’m an eternal optimist
Yikes, how does that happen?
Haahaha to be honest, psychedelics and a near-death experience. All I know, is that whatever happens after death (which appears to be a lot, a lot more than what happens here) as long as I can keep my soul as clean as possible, the physical comings and goings of this place are very transient. Spreading love when I can brings it back and then I can share it again. The poorest people have nothing but money.
Prolly it’s a defense mechanism too because of how fucked things are, but I have felt and seen far too much love and beauty to allow myself to be defeated by the biggest losers on the planet. Fuck that, life rocks. They can eat shit, I’m gonna rave my way to the apocalypse if that’s where we’re goin. And if it doesn’t, we don’t need to wait that long for the end, so what’s the worry either way?
But the psychedelics and MDMa were the keys tbh, would have been harder to get there otherwise.
Man, I hope you are right. They sure as hell have been moving very fast.
They are, I’m a pretty good judge of people A lot of them seem fine-tuned to the legal system in the same way that an ant is fine tuned to move sand. They don’t seem to have a lot of instinct as to human relations, and there are 330 million of us to relate to. We can’t take it forever. And I believe they think that we can. I grew up redneck as possible. My family and old friend group are getting pissed. that is a fucking pterodactyl in the coalmine if you knew those guys.
Turns out they were just projecting the whole time. Oops.
Personally? I got a little older, developed my sense of empathy more and stopped associating with libertarians.
I got older, developed more empathy but especially during these times, I have more and more found myself drawn to civil libertarianism. I don’t want government overreach regardless of who’s in charge. The people (not corporations) are supposed to control the government, not be controlled by the government.
Government involvement in people’s personal lives should be minimized when possible while keeping in mind that the entire point of having a government is supposed to be to protect and benefit the people. Except, for some dumb fucking reason, we let the supreme court decide that corporations are people too.
I think if we have any chance of surviving, we have to make overturning Citizens United a nonpartisan issue (which it really should be and easily could be if all the propaganda and disinformation around it was removed).
T.L.D.R.:Government regulations should protect and serve people not control them. A government controlled by the people (bc surprise, people are not corporations) should regulate corporations and technology, not the other way around. I do not buy that human focused (as in protections for the people, their rights and their privacy) regulations placed on corporations and technology are “inhibiting progress” any more than I would believe somebody telling me we need to start cutting brake lines in all vehicles bc they “inhibit speed.”
My great-grandfather would lose his shit if someone had told him that feds would be invading states against the wishes of the local governments.
Ah yes, I recall that sentiment very common to the 1860s in certain sub-Mason Dixon line states. Also popular in the 1950s after Brown v Board.
Unfortunately, the times have changed and the Neo-Confederates are the ones running DC now.
Since they’re ok with stores banning masks, they would be ok with stores banning masks for people in uniform too, right?
Or would that somehow be discrimination?
It is absolutely wild to the rest of the western world that ICE agents under Trump are allowed to conduct their job masked all the time.
Literal secret police in failed state shit.
Police everywhere in the US have done it for a while, many people were beaten in 2020 by police wearing masks with their badge numbers covered, even in Democrat “sanctuary cities”. Not to mention DHS and BORTAC agents which have been detaining people with masks and no identification as well. People talk about defunding ICE which needs to happen but there are several agencies waging this campaign.
Literally worse than the goons in Hong Kong. At least they had badge numbers.
Anything to fight back is fine with me good work.
Amazing that demanding from the agencies to adhere to the rule of law makes some people really, really itchy.
What? They’re so refreshing!
You have it wrong, it’s actually ICE, a common acronym for “Internal Combustion Engine”. Chicago is trying to create more walkable spaces.
Nah, it’s Intrusion Countermeasure Electronics, man me and the Dixie Flatline hit some black military AI ICE when it burned me, the trodes were frying my skin before my joeboy pulled them out!
I thought ICE stood for Internet Comment Etiquette
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Putting out a giant rat trap and labeling it a “rat free zone, no rats allowed”.
States need to be putting out their own narratives and setting rules, not just letting the rump regime set the narrative (“Portland is burning to the ground!”, “Chicago is a war zone, the most dangerous city in the world!” etc). They should use their own messaging. And states should band together to take a stand.
Here’s an example of the type of propaganda and tactics that Governors, mayors, etc. should use:
"Gangs of masked criminals are running rampant, impersonating ICE officers to commit crimes against defenseless civilians, who don’t know who to believe! [give an example or two]. This cannot stand–we must have law and order!
Therefore I have signed an order that our City Police (our National Guard may be called to help them if necessary) will arrest anyone who cannot show that they are an ICE or law enforcement agent. To distinguish them from the criminal gangs, Agents must wear badges in plain view to identify themselves and are prohibited from wearing masks that hide their faces. They must show valid warrants and provide their badge numbers when asked.
Anyone who cannot show they are a legal agent and acts violently toward or violates the rights of civilians may be assumed to be a criminal and be arrested. Furthermore, citizens may protect themselves or others in self-defense. If you are an ICE agent and don’t display your badge, you have only yourself to blame if anyone assumes you are one of these criminal gang members and acts accordingly.
Aren’t there thousands of well trained former park rangers that need something to do & might have a bit of an axe to grind?
I know where I live they already meet all the requirements for state law enforcement. Deputize them. Have them show up anywhere ICE is, 100-200 deep. Demand to see their law enforcement credentials, every time. If they refuse, arrest them.
If they get violent, “pacify” them.
please accept this Lemmy Gold
Tump is insane. If I were mayor or governor, there is no way in hell I’m risking my own safety for this. If he starts messing with elections, sure because he becomes a persistent threat even for me. Otherwise I’d wait it out
If you aren’t willing to do that you have no business being a mayor or governor. Protecting the people you represent comes with the gig.
Protecting? Yes
Risking your life? No
That said, if you postulate to mayor now that trump is in power, you should expect thing to get violent
We are well past the point where protecting people entails a risk. We have been since the first term, you cannot have one without the other in the current climate. If these governors and mayors can’t accept the fact they need to resign and let someone with a spine have the reigns
“I’m a pussy”
Have you killed any ice agents? No? Why not? Don’t tell me you are scared.
What would it take for you to risk you life for your job?
You’re scared, and that’s okay. Don’t try to wriggle free. Just accept who you are and know that there are others who are much more brave.
Oh. Of course I’d be scared. I think that the people demanding this form others are hypocrites. If you haven’t risked your life opposing ice, you have no right demanding others do so
Such naive hope.
I agree mostly with your message, however, a city mayor cannot dictate policy and procedure to any federal entity. They would also likely be opening themselves up to all sorts of liability, i.e. lawsuits for arresting a federal agent. Worst case scenario is CPD getting into a shootout with ICE.
Now unfortunately, before you ask and I’m sure you’ve been pondering it, I don’t have a lot of answers for you in what they should do. It’d basically be career suicide for most of these people in power and while I do agree it’s the noble thing to do, it’s also not necessarily intelligent to offer yourself up on a platter and most certainly be replaced with a pro Trump puppet once you’re removed.
America certainly has itself in a pickle. Good luck
^This is weak little bitch mentality right here.
Says a guy who’s in no position of power and is happy to sit back and dictate what people should do in far fetched situations he understands little of.
‘hurrrr he needs to sacrifice himself because I think it’s righteous’
I can’t understand little bitch language, unfortunately.
Who says who can and can’t dictate policy now? There are no longer any rules. Laws are violated continuously by the very government that is supposed to follow and enforce them. The Constitution is nothing but a piece of paper now. A right-wing authoritarian power, enthusiastically supported by at least a third of the populace, has control of all three branches of the federal government. Troops are being deployed against the residents of states and cities the regime doesn’t like. The federal funding they are owed is being withheld. There is no more “you can’t do that”, there’s only strategy and tactics on how to deal with the situation. The available options are shrinking every day.
There are no longer any rules?
Then why the fuck are you all sitting around watching?
There are no longer any rules
NYT just ran an article today, interviewing academics who study countries that have slid from Democracy into Authoritarianism
Quote from Prof. Sean Westwood :
The most permanent damage, however, is the precedent. With these guardrails shattered, the temptation for a future Democratic administration to launch its own campaign of retribution — using a weakened system for its own ends — becomes immense. This is the grim, iterative nature of democratic backsliding: each transgression lowers the floor for the next, creating a cycle of political revenge that, once started, is nearly impossible to unwind.
It’s not revenge when ICE is openly violating the Constitution. It’s justice.
Strategy and tactics tell us that your idea is not realistic. You need to understand that laws are threats of violence and the last person to speak in any situation is the person holding the biggest gun. The mayor of Chicago cannot out gun the federal government and it’s nonsense to suggest he should try.
“Resistance is Futile” is a catchy philosophy, but not exactly a convincing one.
That’s not what I said at all. He is resisting. But he isn’t talking about arresting Federal agents like an online idiot who doesn’t know how anything works.
Pardon me for living in reality.
Don’t forget I also said a big part of the strategy is in the messaging, which needs to be ramped up exponentially. Loudly and repeatedly using strong rhetoric and deliberate propaganda, which is (usually exaggerated) messaging designed to achieve a goal, and what trump has been doing effectively for years.
Notice how trump backed off after Pritzker talked tough? Then Nosferatu (Stephen Miller) talked him into it again. Miller is the driving force behind how they’re using ICE. trump is continuously being manipulated by whoever has his ear at any time, and that includes --or can include-- his opponents if they know how to handle him.
That sure is what it sounds like you’re saying, and while votes on lemmy are largely meaningless, they do seem to indicate that most people share the interpretation of your message that I’ve arrived at. Is it possible you’re not expressing your position as clearly as you think?
I can see how my first comment might not have been clear, but surely I can’t get much clearer than “That’s not what I said at all”. It sounds like you’re suggesting that your interpretation of my comment is what I meant regardless of what I was trying to say.
The mayor’s plan of “Ice free zones” is a great strategy because it sets up the inevitable court case. Regardless of what anyone on Lemmy thinks, the guy talking about “There are no rules anymore” is the doomer, not me.
There are, in fact, rules, and we either use the courts or [redacted so I don’t get banned]. Police officers arresting ICE is not on the table both due to federal supremacy and also because cops are fascists anyway and most are pretty happy about what ICE is doing. If you think cops are going to save you, you haven’t been paying attention.
Seeing what is happening reminds me of Eisenhower seeing the concentration camps for the first time and immediately calling for the media to photograph everything and for members of congress to view the atrocities in person. He knew that there might come a day when the world wanted to pretend that it never happened and insisted that there be enough evidence that there was no way anyone could deny the holocaust.
It was the greatest act by a president (in my opinion) before he even became the president.
The lesson being, everyone in these cities need to be recording everything, so that when the blatantly criminal administration and its enablers are finally held to legal account (and they will), there can be no denying what they attempted to do in America in 2025.
We need a EU Edition archive.org. Upload all evidence there. Someday Google search engine will become like Baidu and you can’t find any of the massacres anymore.
wwhy not decentralize it entirely.
I mean, problem is, its not a wikipedia that takes only 100GB, archive.org is in the TB and PB range.
If the funds can only sustain a max of 500 PB (for example), if you split that funding to 2 sites, you reduce it to 250 PB, if you want a EU site, a US site, and a Australia site, for example, you’re splitting the same pool of funds to just 166PB. I highly doubt people that usually donate $50 to one site is suddenly gonna find the money to donate $50 to each of the 3 sites, so the natural course of events is to split their donation to 3 sites.
(I mean, if you wanna make a personal backup copy to “decentralize” it, you can already do it yourself, just start downloading. I’m talking about a 100% clone of every bit of data, I don’t think individuals are gonna be able to maintain 500PB all by themselves and constantly check for data corruption)
To be fair, you definitively can decentralized parts of it using protocols such as torrents, which work great for that purpose. It ensures multiple locations having redundant data, a means of retrieving that data again, and constant checks for corruption
And actually come to think of this, this already does indeed happen, though only for a subset of the data. It’s much more tricky legally when it comes to copyrighted works.
If anyone has some spare terabytes of storage space, I do recommend you to see where you can contribute that space with torrents of this sort. It’s better to use that free space for good than just letting it sit idly by
A government that detains and assaults its own citizens without justification or warrant is no longer a legitimate government and must be dismantled and replaced with a government that serves the will of its citizens.
The article said they repelled in from helicopters to raid an apartment building. What a bunch of cosplay losers. Lol. Intimidating your own residents and citizens for daddy trump.
The will of citizens comes second to the rights of all people. It wouldn’t matter if 90% of the country wanted this. It would still be an unconstitutional infringement of rights.
100%. The whole point of the document was to put guardrails to override the “3 wolves and a sheep deciding on dinner” scenario.
Laws/rights are just thoughts and words. If 90% of the population wants something—barring some extreme use of force—they’re going to get their way.
Simply declaring something unconstitutional or illegal is a paper shield.
That’s not to say that there isn’t value in codifying these things. It helps maintain long term positions/policies when the government swings across the centrepoint, but they only work because the majority of the population agrees with them.
~90% of Americans wanted universal background checks after Sandy Hook. That didn’t happen.
Good point. I guess it should be “90% of the population takes any meaningful step towards”
Law and rights are only valid if you can enforce them by force of arms. In the end, might does make right and the biggest gun wins.
Most specifically, it’s to provide a framework so that small changes are orderly and big changes deliberate.
Laws provide a framework that tries to resist change to the maximum degree possible, with the benefit that it’s generally agreeable enough to enough people that it’s preferable to the danger and force involved in not having them.
Waiting for the first politician with power of a police department to say this. The police will likely turn on that person. But it needs to be done. States/Cities need to defend their citizens. Or at the very least show how the existing systems have failed and fallen fully to fascism.
It seems ICE tear gassed some Chicago cops. Good timing, Mayor
Link? On purpose or out of incompetence? The later is just as likely lol.
Edit: Read that in reverse thinking the cops tear gassed ICE. I know what incident you’re referring to now.
replaced with a government that serves the will of its citizens.
What are we going to do about the 20 to 40 percent of people who support ICE and other horrors?
edit for clarity: replace “this” with concrete
Realisticaly, unless we are doing forced deportations or removing their voting rights, they are unfortunately gonna still have a voice in the process, but its society’s job to educate the next generation to make sure they don’t become those idiots. As long as the idiot’s party never attain a majority, or try to overthrow the democratic process, its just a permanent minority that is loud as fuck, but has no teeth. There’s always gonna be those types of regressive people, even in the best fuctioning democracy.
shows up to that movement with pitchforks
While we’re on the subject, how DID pitchforks become the universal symbol of rioting and revolt? As a weapon, I mean it’s decent I guess. You could certainly kill someone with it for sure, but it’s not some ultimate weapon. A chainsaw certainly has more raw terror inducing imagery. You see someone with a pitchfork in a 1-1 setting, and you could fight them off. You could grab the pitchfork as it’s being used against you and have a chance to fight back.
But a chainsaw? How do you fight a guy with a chainsaw??? Or a gun???
I guess what I’m saying is, if we happen to pass a hardware store along our march of revolution, could we pop in for a sec, so I can buy a chainsaw???
Nunchucks were originally used to thresh grain before they became a peasant weapon.
Because when the peasants would revolt, they’d grab the closest thing to a weapon they owned. This imagery predates the chainsaw…
You also want a weapon you’re familiar with and that you can control. In medieval farming communities, chances are everyone’s used a pitchfork. Axe less so.
Pitchforks also work better as infantry; they’re kind of a mini pike so they’re useful in a mass and against horses. Swing an axe in a mob and it’ll hit your neighbour.
They were plenty familiar with axes too. Medieval peasants would have to chop wood pretty much daily as fuel for cooking and heating. Also most medieval pitchforks were made from wood since that would be way cheaper, while axes were metal.
But yeah in case of revolt, unless it was a very impromptu affair, they would usually have blacksmiths which could modify their tools to make better weapons.
Bill hooks were also common agricultural tools that adapt well to warfare.
It was also common to quickly forge rudimentary pollaxes (halberds, etc.) because they handled intuitively enough to people used to farm implements.
Chainsaws:
- Tripping while carrying a pitchfork is less likely to result in a fatality than a chainsaw
- Chainsaws rely on external power sources before they become heavy abrasive clubs
- Reinforcements won’t hear you engaging your pitchfork from a block away
- A pitchfork is lighter and longer, making it easier to wield and have a potential for higher force with lower torque
- Chainsaws don’t like being used on fluid-filled fleshy bits, which can result in a tangled nightmare bogging down your weapon while you try using the “stuck shopping cart” maneuver on something noncompliant and screaming
- Pitchforks can be quickly shared between targets. Chainsaws quickly share bits of targets between you and anyone nearby
Guns:
- Requires training
- See issue about external power sources
- See noise issue
- Friendly fire
You could grab the pitchfork as it’s being used against you and have a chance to fight back.
Push harder
- ❌ Pitchfork: Long, unbalanced weight, gets stuck when embedded in a solid medium
- ✅ Softball bat: Less cumbersome, well balanced, doesn’t get stuck in squishy
- ✅ Miracle Blade®️: Abuse as desired and Chef Tony will hand-deliver you free replacements, CHEESE CHEESE
Spears, and (pun) by extension Pitchforks, being long is not a draw back. It is a stabbing weapon you could take out someone with a baseball bat before they even get in reach to be a risk.
There’s only one real way for us to be sure.
-Grabs a bat menacingly and takes a practice swing that connects with my own one knee-Just like me frfr
The police use Roman legionary techniques to force protestors back.
If you take the mindset that you’re preparing for a nonlethal war and prepare beforehand by bringing tasers and attaching them to very long wooden sticks, or topping the stick with pins that may get stuck in skin but will break when stuck in skin, or even just use the very long sticks, all you need to do is find enough people to drill in classical battle formations for a while. I think the phalanx did good against a Roman shield wall if it didn’t have to maneuver much, which is perfect for city steeets.
Hell, you could go the whole nonlethal bullets route with 3d print guns, but I think firing weapons may result in very much and very lethal escalation, so while I wouldn’t recommend it I don’t see why 3d printed guns couldn’t be used in a staggered fire formation like they used in the 1800s, except you’d just keep preloaded single use pistols in the back pre-loaded with nonlethal rounds. It would be inaccurate as all fuck but that’s the beauty of infantry formations in the 1800: the guns were inaccurate as fuck. At least in the beginning.
If they’re safe enough to use against protestors then the police shouldn’t have a problem, right?
Spears (pointy sticks) are the oldest weapon. They might have been created by non-humans. They helped us come down from the trees and vanquish large prey with teamwork.
Eh, would not the club be the first weapon? Followed closely by our evolutionary omgwtfbbqhax: the accurate and powerfully thrown rock?
Miracle Blade!! And if by some chance the rebellion is ruthlessly put down with military force, “it’s the last knife you’ll ever need!”
I’m pretty sure it’s an old trope from early horror films. The villagers would arrive with torches and pitchforks to drive out the monster. This clip from Frankenstein (1931) actually has a mob with torches and clubs, but a similar clip from Bride of Frankenstein (1935) shows a mob with seemingly all kinds of tools including pitchforks and a pickaxe. (I can’t find a full clip from Bride of Frankenstein, just this quick shot in the trailer.)
A similar mob appears at the end of The Adventures of Hucklberry Finn (1939), coming for Jim.
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Peasant farmers revolting against the monster being created in the nearby castle of the mad doctor 🤷🏼♂️
I’m sorry, but lots of governments do that.
Makes me think, however flawed the American democracy is, the federal set up does indeed hamper the attempts of tyrannical consolidation. Diversity is not without issues, but having enough diversity allows deviation from enforced thoughts. So diversity is indeed a strength. This is what the MAGA wants to rid.
they’re still black bagging people off of streets in broad daylight, in plain clothes with zero identification, and sending them to whothefuckknows…if your federal setup cant stop that then what the fuck is it for?
I said federalism hampers attempt at tyrannical consolidation of power, not stop it completely.
just saying…all these supposed roadblocks seem to be wide open…
Half the ICE agents I’ve seen have been Hispanic so I don’t know how much diversity is helping.
