cross-posted from: https://ibbit.at/post/81808
…the agents had demanded to ride along in the ambulance en route to the hospital. The driver replied that without arrest paperwork, they were not permitted to ride along. Agents continued to insist that the vehicle would not be allowed to leave until an officer was permitted to accompany them.
“I repeated again,” the driver said in their report, “that no officer is permitted to ride in the ambulance and that they can meet us at the hospital and that we needed to be let out of the facility. Officers then began walking away from me whenever I spoke. At that point, a group of 5-8 civilian-dressed men walked into the garage and just stared at me. No identification on any of them. I walked back to the ambulance and got into the driver’s seat. I flipped the emergency lights on and put the car into drive. I inched forward slowly out of the garage.”
A man described as being in civilian clothes and a neck-wrap then stepped in front of the vehicle and ordered the ambulance not to leave, according to the report. As more agents amassed about 15 feet in front of the vehicle, the driver assumed they were preparing to escort the ambulance off the property and continued to slowly inch the vehicle forward. But agents continued to obstruct the ambulance’s path. As of 9:39, a dispatch report said there were “50-60 fed agents completely blocking the road.”
At this point, the crew member in the passenger’s seat exited the vehicle to attempt to reason with the officers. After putting the vehicle into park, the driver began to exit as well. They said that as they opened the side door, “I looked up and suddenly the entire group of officers… were crowded around the open car door, some of them leaning forward towards me, inches from my face.”
The driver recalls that an agent “pointed his finger at me in a threatening manner and began viciously yelling in my face, stating, ‘DON’T YOU EVER DO THAT AGAIN, I WILL SHOOT YOU, I WILL ARREST YOU RIGHT NOW.”
They act just like the Gestapo during naziregime: use exessive force, followvtheir hunches and will not be held accountable
IDF practices…
ICE is a terrorist organization ran by a criminal.
Water is wet.
The national shitbag registry needs to be kept by whatever unions manage EMTs . These officers need to identify themselves just so their names are placed on the list and their captain can begin negotiating so that their families and home EVER get protection from fire, ambulance or cops again.
Until then, NO identified ICE member or their family gets support. Identify yourselves to distinguish yourselves or all face the same penalty. This is a targeted labour strike.
(Similarly, anyone impeding a real emergency vehicles gets on the list until a formal written apology replaces it in the file)
You do not impede real emergency vehicles just because you need to beat up and kidnap brown people.
I do like the idea of a National Shitbag Registry, so when these people move to a new neighborhood they have to go door to door warning the neighbors that they are a registered shitbag.
EMTs and Medics typically dont have unions unless the fire dept runs EMS, and they typically treat EMS as a cash cow rather than actually representing them.
This shit is just a powder keg waiting to go off. All it’s going to take is one person to decide they’ve had enough of this in a situation like this and just floor it and run those assholes over and the whole country is going to explode. It’s just a matter of time.
That’s the goal. That’s what PeeWee German wants.
Exactly as Stephen Miller planned.
I hope people at the No King’s Protest will all understand escalation is their goal, of course there’s a chance Yam Tits will make a royal decree that they’re all to be arrested to spark the powder keg. Which will happen cause Wormtongue, I mean Miller, says so cause evidently everything pro democracy is an insurrection in the US now.
Yeah, I’m convinced they are actively trying to get some ICE killed so they can take the kid gloves off and go full occupying force.
There’s absolutely some extremists who would martyr themselves.
If people never actually resist them, they already are the full occupying force.
“We are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be.”
-Heritage Foundation President Kevin Roberts
It’s not a popular take in doomer circles like lemmy, but I legitimately believe that there is a “bloodless” outcome that results in the right absolutely crumbling. Not only that, I believe anything less will inevitably result in this exact situation repeating itself every hundred years or so until we learn as a people how to build a sustainable, equitable society that prioritizes human dignity over greed.
We need to learn as a society how to identify and reject fascist ideologies the same way we can look at moldy food and know not to eat it. And I think the Internet may be the tool that gets us to that point.
Until we get to that point, all democracies will continue to fall victim to these types of attacks.
We need a society in which people are not able to obtain the kind of power that can allow for fascism to exist to begin with.
We need a hard wealth cap of something like $50 million including unrealized gains, and we need a leaderless society, where people who seek power cannot gain power. We also need all corporations to be owned by the workers and be run as democracies.
But we also need to lift up the common man by supplying all basic necessities free at the point of service, such as housing, food, water, healthcare, sewage, high speed internet, etc. along with a UBI that is livable so that people can work on the things they enjoy rather than wasting their entire lives away working for a faceless corporation for the majority of their lives.
Anything short of this will just lead right back into fascism as history has shown.
I would like to know what your idea is to get out of fascism without any kind of violence, though, because with fascism, there is no democracy available to allow for a vote to replace the fascists. Fascists are not known for willingly giving up power.
I agree with the first statement, the rest feels to me like an arbitrary list of nice things that I don’t believe is backed by empirical data, so I can’t agree that “Anything short of this will just lead right back into fascism as history has shown”. The “$50 million” number is arbitrary. And workers tend to not have capital to start/run a company, nor do they want to assume the risk associated with it failing. Is there a specific historical example of all those things being successfully guaranteed in some society that you’re thinking of? How is it going for them now?
I would like to know what your idea is to get out of fascism without any kind of violence
To stick with my original analogy, the same way I “get out of” food poisoning without puking my guts out for a time: I don’t eat it.
To relate it back to your first statement which I agree with, “We need a society in which people are not able to obtain the kind of power that can allow for fascism”. How do we do this? Democratically! We need a society of people who detest the signs of fascism:
- appeals to palingenetic nationalism
- the enemy is “strong and weak”
- “fake news”
- zero-sum social hierarchies
- fear mongering
- money as speech
- basically any attempt to combat economic hardships using any means besides addressing weath inequality
- etc.
Personally, I think we need to agree on a charter of some kind that has a feedback loop built in: as wealth inequality is relatively low, allow more capitalism, more risk, more innovation; and as wealth inequality rises, so too do corporate tax rates, guarantees on worker compensation, all the bells and whistles. If you’re a corporation who doesn’t like the tax rate, tough, we’ve all agreed that until the state of the society gets better, your ability to capitalize on it is handicapped.
“But why not always socialism, workers own all the things all the time?” The world is a big complicated factory of interconnected systems. We can’t hope to control it all even if we had a One World Govt running everything, much less hundreds of independent nations and cultures. At best we would create unintended emergent phenomena like black markets. I don’t think we should aim to control everything, we just ensure society sets up the right incentives, and the one thing that should underscore every incentive should be human dignity.
Homelessness should be illegal, in that we as a society should not be allowed to let people be homeless. It should be a crime against humanity for any society to allow one person to take billions more in tax breaks each year, while another person dies in the streets. Same for starvation or lack of healthcare. I would even go as far as to say, giving someone a job that is too mind numbing should be a crime. It’s one thing for you to work for the weekend, it’s another thing for it to be psychologically demeaning in its mundanity, which seems to be the ideal end game for many jobs: optimize out any way for the employee to mess anything up with the way that they are.
The part I don’t like to admit though is (without going down a second rabbit hole), I think the best way to achieve this cultural shift is through religion. We need a religion that emphasizes human dignity above all else. No other mechanism has proven as successful at shaping the behaviour of large groups of people.
This fucking Nazi needs to go meet Kirk in hell.
This is 100% the plan. It’s a ‘when’ at this point, not an ‘if’, despite the extraordinary restraint displayed when dealing with these fuckwits to date.
extraordinary restraint
Docility*
Just saw them gas the chicago police for at least the second time while they protected ices retreat from protestors. then trump. gotta bring troops in because the chicago police aren’t protecting ice. and yeah the gas was thrown as they ran away. that is how they deployed it.
Look… okay, gassing the cops is fucking hilarious. But they didn’t do it intentionally and were aiming at the protesters so I don’t think they should be commended for that.
I think they are. They did that bait vehicle to get the protestors in the street in broadview. They want someone to get injured or killed and sure its acceptable to the administration if its ice but even better if they get someone local. I mean hes already talking about the need to “defend” the ice agressors but his argument will finally have some tenous substance if they can atually point to an injury or better yet a death.
They want a Reichstag fire.
Are we still pretending our Trump supporting neighbors aren’t cheering this on?
I know I stopped years ago
People opposing oppressive crackdowns obviously deserve death. Fuck around and find out. /s
I would like to present the lug nut rule: The vehicle with the most lug nuts wins.
Sounds like the whole street was filled with nuts, and guns. What could possibly go wrong?
Shoot ice. They aren’t human
Okay, what if it was someone in ICE they are responding to? Do they deny the compassion to heal wounded people just because they think a EMT might pick political sides?
They would 100% do that if the roles were reversed, and thus they assume that yes, the EMTs would.
It is very difficult sometimes to remember these are people, too. Tells you a lot about how fucking stupid we can be.
Yeah, they think we are lying when we say we don’t want to hurt them, even though we disagree with them. There is a reason they always think they are being threatened, cuz they would be threatening if they were in the same position, so they see our actions through that filter.
They are also fed a steady diet of lies about “left-wing terrorists”.
We should strive to be better people, despite how much we dislike the organization or the people in it.
Depends. Is the EMT in question white?
