The comparison to rape is probably not apt here. 60% of rapes are committed by someone known to the victim. It’d be more helpful to tech your imaginary kids that they can come to you no matter what, that their bodily autonomy is important, and where it’s ok for others to touch them. If you’re going to tech them elements of safety for the remaining percent, maybe focus on location, situational awareness, safety in numbers etc. Often it’s just as easy to assault someone in frumpy clothes as in more revealing clothes, and that goes for both known and unknown perpetrators.
Regarding the premise of your comment, though I don’t think it’s surprising, technically it’s the only way to know for sure what would happen. I’m not suggesting the results are groundbreaking, but there’s now at least something we can point to if we wanted evidence based reasoning to support what we all believed would happen.
Well yes, I didn’t think I had to list all the different things I’d teach my kids but that wasn’t my point anyway. I was mainly saying that I don’t blame people whose image is abused like this, even if they “should have known better than to show your face on the internet” - just like I wouldn’t blame a rape victim, even if they “should have known better than to wear that skimpy dress”.
You can’t say ‘I’m not victim-blaming but she should have known better’. That’s just victim-blaming with extra steps. The other commenter tried to point out to you that most rapes happen from someone the victim knows to point out that it won’t really matter what they wear. The “mark” is that women shouldn’t be objectified no matter what they do or don’t do. The author of the article might have expected that with blocks on nudity and other obviously explicit content, that she would be safe. You’ve come into this thread to say ‘she should have known better’. Like, let’s put aside AI for a second. This sort of thing has been happening to women who
upload photos of themselves to the internet for a long time as well, with regular old photo editing software. Do you think they should refrain as well?
You can’t say ‘I’m not victim-blaming but she should have known better’.
And I didn’t.
You’ve come into this thread to say ‘she should have known better’.
I didn’t.
Do you think they should refrain as well?
They need to know that bad shit can happen to them if they do, that’s it.
What I did was put “even if they should have known better” in quotation marks, just like I did just now, because that’s what people MIGHT say about victims and I don’t agree with it. I honestly don’t know how I could’ve made that clearer without straying even further from the original point.
You’ve come into this thread to say ‘she should have known better’.
I didn’t.
You’re right, my mistake, you said:
You can choose settings that make your likeness private, or open to just your friends — but I figured, why not?
Because this is the internet?
She basically said “take my face, do whatever with it” and now seems surprised that people did whatever with it to get their rocks off.
Which is basically saying ‘she should have known better’ but with extra steps.
It doesn’t actually work if you say stuff that is victim-blaming but add a little disclaimer that says “I’m not victim-blaming”. Like I said, you’re thiiiis 🤏 close to getting it.
The comparison to rape is probably not apt here. 60% of rapes are committed by someone known to the victim. It’d be more helpful to tech your imaginary kids that they can come to you no matter what, that their bodily autonomy is important, and where it’s ok for others to touch them. If you’re going to tech them elements of safety for the remaining percent, maybe focus on location, situational awareness, safety in numbers etc. Often it’s just as easy to assault someone in frumpy clothes as in more revealing clothes, and that goes for both known and unknown perpetrators.
Regarding the premise of your comment, though I don’t think it’s surprising, technically it’s the only way to know for sure what would happen. I’m not suggesting the results are groundbreaking, but there’s now at least something we can point to if we wanted evidence based reasoning to support what we all believed would happen.
Well yes, I didn’t think I had to list all the different things I’d teach my kids but that wasn’t my point anyway. I was mainly saying that I don’t blame people whose image is abused like this, even if they “should have known better than to show your face on the internet” - just like I wouldn’t blame a rape victim, even if they “should have known better than to wear that skimpy dress”.
You’re like thiiiis 🤏 close to getting it, but you still managed to miss the mark.
Um. Okay? What mark? I’d appreciate if you even gave me a hint, maybe?
You can’t say ‘I’m not victim-blaming but she should have known better’. That’s just victim-blaming with extra steps. The other commenter tried to point out to you that most rapes happen from someone the victim knows to point out that it won’t really matter what they wear. The “mark” is that women shouldn’t be objectified no matter what they do or don’t do. The author of the article might have expected that with blocks on nudity and other obviously explicit content, that she would be safe. You’ve come into this thread to say ‘she should have known better’. Like, let’s put aside AI for a second. This sort of thing has been happening to women who upload photos of themselves to the internet for a long time as well, with regular old photo editing software. Do you think they should refrain as well?
And I didn’t.
I didn’t.
They need to know that bad shit can happen to them if they do, that’s it.
What I did was put “even if they should have known better” in quotation marks, just like I did just now, because that’s what people MIGHT say about victims and I don’t agree with it. I honestly don’t know how I could’ve made that clearer without straying even further from the original point.
You’re right, my mistake, you said:
Which is basically saying ‘she should have known better’ but with extra steps.
It doesn’t actually work if you say stuff that is victim-blaming but add a little disclaimer that says “I’m not victim-blaming”. Like I said, you’re thiiiis 🤏 close to getting it.
Okay.