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A “six figure income” is such a stupidly relative term. What a useless fucking metric.
First of all, that could literally mean anything from $100,000 to $999,999 a year. Someone making nearly a million dollars a year is not “in survival mode”, even in the highest cost of living areas.
Second, it depends on where you live. If you live in the middle of BFE Arizona or Minnesota, having a ~$100k salary could mean you’re living like a king. Living in San Francisco or New York, you’re probably living in a shoebox apartment.
I’m barely one of these “six figure” people. I make $103k per year. However, I also am the sole income for my family of 5, which means I pay for everybody’s health and dental insurance premiums. These are over $1200 a month. I also live in a moderately high cost of housing city where the cheapest, bombed out, sub-900 sq ft house is going for 1/5th to a quarter of a million $ plus. My neighbor has a 973 sq ft home with non-working plumbing, a roof that has shingles coming off and leaks, single pane windows, and foundation issues. His house has an estimated value of $237k if it sold today.
After taxes, nearly half of my salary alone goes to just housing and healthcare and I do not live in a fucking McMansion. My house is around 1000 sq ft. And I still need to keep the lights on, pay for gas, pay the water bill, pay for groceries…Oh and don’t forget about student loan debt to get that income. Have fun paying that at $600-700 a month. If I was renting instead of having a mortgage, I could not afford to live here.
Now I’m not “in survival mode”, as this article would have you believe, but I’m also not exactly “thriving”. If I lost my job, my family would be unable to live beyond…something like 2-3 months. And with the job market cratering in the tech world (which is my career market) right now, it scares the shit out of me. Literally keeps me up at night with anxiety.
What I’m trying to say is that not even us “middle class” folks are doing super great. We’re currently teetering on the edge of a knife and, with continually rising costs, will likely fall into “upper-lower class” territory in the next decade.
Ahh, rich people problems. I don’t even know what to spend all my money on and I make £26k. I guess I could just save it and then pay off the mortgage early, then only work 1 day a week?
If you have mortgage, why not pay lump sum regularly instead of saving it first? This way cost of mortgage will come down. Unless you have a fixed rate?
Recently fixed it for 5 years at a lower rate than it was before.
Try living on 600$ a month!
So those under this figure are ‘Walking Dead’?
We already cracked. We’re all in the biggest ever bubble pop, we just don’t know it yet.
I live on benefits, about $1,200 a month, and have the good fortune to only be obligated to pay for internet, fuel, some services like VPN+Email+Anti-virus, and food. For most of the past decade I was able to squirrel away about $200 to $300 a month into an ABLE account, but the last few years that has become increasingly difficult. In fact, I don’t think that I saved any money at all for this year.
My game ‘plan’ was to just let my ABLE collect interest and use that for my annual computer after a new AMD socket has been released, buying the best endgame gear for the prior standard. I spend most of my time on my PC, so I figure a expensive computer would be my ‘big ticket’ item every decade. Never once I have had a vacation to see new things or do stuff beyond the house, because it felt incredibly wasteful for my situation. I would have to cut more of my food budget if I want to save up for the next PC in 2030. This assumes that things like buying new tires doesn’t come up, or medical issues.
I don’t feel good about the future. My circle of possibilities shrinks every year.
Six figure income? I don’t get that, maybe they have kids or something. They’re lucky, I’d dream to have a job that even paid 60k.
Here’s the thing about making more money, you tend to spend more money. If someone making $120k lived like they were only making $60k they wouldn’t be in “survival mode”.
This is more or less it.
When I made 45k and rented a room I had a lot of expendable income. I could put 6% in a 401k, pay insurance, and still go out and party on weekends.
Making 125 with a mortgage and 2 kids feels kinda rough some months. I wouldn’t call it a struggle. I have a lot of comforts and security. I just don’t have any expendable income.
I think what’s different for me now is, in the past, I could get by crashing on someone’s couch if things got bad. I’m low maintenance. Today, I HAVE to have that mortgage payment. If I don’t cover that Pre-K payment I’ve failed my family. It’s not a struggle per se, but it’s a different kind of stress.
Making $120k but living like they made $60k would mean they are living in survival mode.
Don’t forget that while middle class people have some tiny wiggle room before financial collapse, they are still very vulnerable compared to the millionaire, billionaire, and now trillionaire classes.
I spent years living with off making about 400€ monthly as a student with a part time job (most of it going to food and housing with family), and now that I have 800€ monthly I find myself immediately overextending with plans. New furniture, console, TV, actual PC instead of a budget laptop. If I didn’t live in a big city I’d consider saving up for a car.
It’s easy to forget almost anything besides a roof, homemade food and healthcare is a luxury. (Or even the last one, if you want good healthcare, or live in America)
No, they’re not.
That’s correct. Everyone here making six figures will have some form of asset they could cash in if the chips came down. I sometimes feel underwater, but if I made painful cuts, I could survive. Real Americans are living day to day knowing if things get bad, they might have to sell more blood.
This was some years ago - even before the first Trump presidency - I read a perfectly reasonable sounding piece from someone about how he’s struggling as a dual-income family making $400,000 a year. There’s the mortgage for the house and the summer home and the vacation condo and the kids’ tuitions at prestigious schools and family vacations and the 401ks and the kids’ college tuition funds and how there was NOTHING LEFT after the bare necessities!
Yeah, I live more in the realm of having emptied my 401k twice after leaving different jobs because the only other option was homelessness. Have I made bad decisions in life, never intentionally… but owning a home is being taken off the possibilities for me. At 36 it’ll be years before I ever have 1000s in the bank, let alone the 20% of 400,000 or whatever a small house will cost in future. Shit they turned me down to get a car loan and buy a used Kia which left me with a broken down vehicle and losing my job because I couldn’t transit 104 miles a day to the decent paying job I landed. So now I’m getting paid 1/3 to half of it on a job I found I can work from home. I’ll make rent and food, but retirement is likely out of the picture.
If they’re on survival mode, I’m on Hardcore Ironman mode.
“Survival mode” was basically my family’s first few years as new immigrants before we managed to move on from that stage. I don’t think we even had “6-figures”, far from it.
Now the entirety of America get to experience what is it like to be an immigrant lol.
Still remember in Brooklyn, I was in elementary school. I was in an afterschool program than ran until 6PM, I was just waiting, as the clock ticking… minute and minute goes by, other kids get picked up from school. Until there are only a few kids left, then someone enters the cafeteria where us kids were waiting, I thought is that mom?, but it was someone elses parent… this goes on and on… until I was the only one left. But my mom still hasn’t come. 6:30PM. I was so afraid CPS was gonna get involved. Authorities were terrifying for me as a kid. I mean, who knows, immigration status could’ve been at risk. This scene repeats itself very often.
Mom had work until very late, so get picked up very late. Not always the last one, but always very late, the last few, but then there are days where I get very ublocky and end up being the last one to get picked up.
I get so anxious and scared and felt so alone, until my mother shows up.
You can guess why I eventually end up with depression.
I’m not going to give them the benefit of ‘survival mode.’ If you’re breaking even in a million dollar home you are not the same as someone breaking even in a studio.
My siblings and I have slept in a car. We have slept for weeks in a hotel room. We have been to shelters and we have lived with grandparents while mom got on her feet. We had Christmas in the back seat of a 90s Lunima. While I don’t wish it on anyone, I won’t give someone that has to reduce spending an inch in terms of hardship. Even in this economy 6 figures is manageable if you live frugally.
Hey, it sounds like we’re twinsies! Right down to having ‘Christmas’ (if you could call it that, haha!) in the back seat of a '90s Lumina! That’s a wild coincidence. I understand where you’re coming from.
I genuinely hope things are better and more stable for you all nowadays. I’m sorry for what you’ve been through. Internet hugs to you, if you want them. 🫂
Maybe you are actual relatives?
My sister, who earns several times the average income of the city she lives in:
- constantly complains about taxes. She says she wants to pay, believe it or not, zero taxes, because “what is she getting in return for that money anyway? Nothing”
- complains about how she “has to” work “four jobs” (she means 4 clients) then she casually drops something like “I saved up enough to buy two apartments. I want to buy and rent and quit my job”. She sees herself as someone who HAS TO work multiple jobs for rent and food
- she constantly complains about how poor people “pay less taxes” than her and absolutely hates anyone who works a low-income job as if they’re “dirty” or something. I assume if “no taxes” is her wet dream, then “everyone pays the exact same amount regardless of their income” is something she’d be ok with
- this is happening in the EU, with free healthcare and all that, so she’s getting plenty out of the taxes she pays (or would, if she didn’t insist on using overpriced private clinics instead and hell knows what other “rich people” alternatives)
She’s not poor. She’s practically a one percenter. She’s just upset it’s a lot of effort saving up to buy property to turn her favorite hobby of “fucking the poor” into a job by becoming a “professional landlord”. I don’t need Trump. I have Trump at home.
Most rich people I’ve met are disconnected assholes… I’m sure some are cool, and where I’m at they tend to vote liberal (but not progressive), but goddamn I have not a thing to share or discuss with them. Bless’em and may I never wait on them or paint their house or be their nurse or anything like that, cause I’m not putting up with their attitude.
Sorry if I sound like a dick. Just blowing off steam.
She says she wants to pay, believe it or not, zero taxes, because “what is she getting in return for that money anyway? Nothing”
I like to tell libertarians that express such to move to a developing country for two years.
Your sister is a piece of shit.
Thank you
And a dicknosed douche-canoe.
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What have I ever gotten from paying my taxes?
Except the roads of course, that goes without saying
And okay, okay, police keeps order and makes it we have a lawful nation
And sure, sure, firemen will always be there to protect my house from burning down but that’s nothing!
And I had free education, but come on, isn’t that what you’d expect at the very least?
Nothing!
And okay, they did get me free healthcare too, fine, but that’s nothing
Investments to promote local businesses? Fine…
So aside from the roads, police, firemen, education, healthcare, investments, what have taxes ever done for me?
Nothing!
People like that feel like a Monty Python sketch
Well, if you’re living in the USA, you have the largest military budget on the planet and now your paying for the Orange Fuck Nut to play golf.
Yes, What have the Romans ever done for us?
…the aqueduct!
You will never sound like a dick mouthing off about rich people, because we know they all deserve it.
4 clients
who are these clients? what’s her job?
She works in IT. Her main tool is Salesforce. Some of the clients she’s mentioned are universally known. Volkswagen and IKEA are two I remember.
I don’t know what she does exactly. But, to be fair, she doesn’t know what I do either, cause I have a Film & TV degree and our latest argument was about her insisting that I use that degree to “become an influencer, because influencers make money”. That conversation would have been hilarious if I wasn’t part of it. Like listening to a tween tell you what she wants to be when she grows up…
Survival mode?!?! What happened? They had to cancel Netflix or you just had to have the $90,000 Chevrolet Tahoe and a $90,000 Ford F-150.
If the “six figures” people are in survival mode then what about the other 90% of the population with 5 figures or less?
The point is that even six-figure earners are struggling.
And there’s something to that. People with 6-figure incomes tend to work in more metropolitan areas where housing is very expensive. I make about 80 grand, and the only reason I’m getting by at all is because my drive to work is about 2 hours with traffic. A modest 1br apartment in the city where I work is about $3,000/month.
Cost-of-Living matters, but I think what you said is part of the point of the article.
Who cares, only people who make six figures are important, the others are useless eaters. Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what you can do for your local billionaire. /s
Well. I made 35k in 1996 so apparently my salary has kept up with inflation, maybe? Google says that is like 75k today. 106.4% increase.
Together we do hit that 6 figures but
Housing cost increased by 500%
Grocery cost increased here by 500%
Electric bills by 300%
Those are the essentials, right? Other things, clothing and gas, didn’t go up as much but I drive less and (except for menopause, damn you) stay pretty much the same size and bought some items that last well, so it’s more discretionary.
I figure I’d have to be making closer to 200k to be making my 1996 salary with regard to essentials. Maybe more. I’m certainly NOT making that.
I think a simpler way of pointing this out is that the median US household income is $80k. A $100k household income is only 25% higher than average. It’s a pretty normal income. We just have “a six figure salary” as part of our cultural memory as some huge amount.











