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An FBI investigation is underway after an ICE officer fatally shot a woman in southern Minneapolis on Wednesday, in an incident characterized very differently by local and federal officials.
Renee Nicole Good, 37, was shot behind the wheel of an SUV near the intersection of 34th Street and Portland Avenue just before 10:30 a.m. CT. U.S. President Donald Trump and Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem both described the woman as an agitator who had been interfering with ICE agents on scene.
Noem, a central figure in Trump’s immigration crackdown, said Good ignored officers’ orders to get out of her vehicle and “weaponized” the SUV by deliberately trying to ram into the officer. She said the agent shot the driver three times in self-defence.
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“After a thorough 12-hour investigation, we have concluded Good fired 3 shots into her own face, committing suicide after being apprehended for committing violent protests and shooting 44 ICE agents”
fascists: “we murdered her because she was a terrorist”
reality: fascists label her “terrorist” because they murdered her
Well, I mean, murder creates martyrs. Martyrs drive revolutions. By supporting a revolution, she is a terrorist. There is a certain shitty logic to it.
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I believe “I feared for my life” are the magic words the cops use.
Why are those words only magic for cops?
Because cops have a state sanctioned monopoly on violence
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Neither are Kyle Rittenhouse or George Zimmerman.
Skittles and skateboards are less life threatening than an ICE agent.
In many cases, self-defense cases end up finding the killer innocent, because the killed person isn’t around to tell their side of the story.
Just make sure they don’t survive, you’ll probably be fine.
Better off getting a sentence than getting dead. Don’t take the risk.
That is what they did here.
They blocked all first responders from bringing her to the hospital and possibly saving her life because a dead person can’t sue you.
Her wife will
We’re getting to the point where courts won’t be involved. People are pissed.
I have no idea why you’re being down-voted, but you’re correct.
We citizens don’t enjoy
qualifiedsovereign immunity, A.K.A., “rex non potest peccare”. Neither should law enforcement, if the world was fair.We go to jail, or worse, if we try the “I feared for my life” defense.
That’s not what qualified immunity is. QI only protects them from civil litigation.
You’re absolutely right and I will correct my previous comment.
I hope my comment didn’t come off as hostile; that’s just one misconception I feel compelled to correct.
Not in the slightest, at least to me, anyway.
Even though the current administration and many denizens of Lemmy don’t give a shit about legal definitions, philosophies, and frameworks, I still think its valuable to strictly define terms and concepts.
Bullies’ confidence whithers in the face of precisely demanding accountability.
Thanks again for the correction.
Exactly! I think when arguing against something, being accurate strengthens your position greatly.
I agree that cops never being held criminally liable for blatantly violating the law is a cancer on society, and I appreciate you now using the right term to not give opponents to the argument ammo to use against you (not that it’s a likely thing on Lemmy).
I also agree that qualified immunity shouldn’t be a default protection, although it does need to exist to some extent. Even when they’re doing their job exactly as they ethically should be, people can get injured and property damaged. But it should be something an independent review board awards.
What I should have said was “sovereign immunity, A.K.A. rex non potest peccare”.
This. Does no one here know what sarcasm is?
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FBI is there to cover for the fascists, to make sure it stays a federal issue. Pedo can only pardon federal cases.
Worst part of all of this is no one is asking who the murderer is, name, titles, address, etc. Ofc the victim is identified and plastered everywhere in the news, but not the murderer.
Someone snapped these from the vid on another Lemmy post
Do you have a reliable source for these? Unsourced media can’t really be trusted, especially in the AI age.
These are stills from the video of the shooting.
The video [NSFW/NSFL]: https://xcancel.com/maxnesterak/status/2008961959731859757#m
The state can still technically charge the murderer even if the feds don’t, though. They’re definitely there for propaganda and to muddy the water either way, so still to cover for the fascists.
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Im so glad Kash Patel and the gang are on the case! We will certainly have justice now. /s
The FBI has absolutely NO credibility. The woman was unarmed. Her murderer closed in and acted aggressively.
THIS IS WHERE WE ARE!“We have investigated ourselves and found no evidence of wrongdoing.”
Fascist investigate fascist.
I’m sure they will get to the bottom of this case. Fast.
The FBI just kicked the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension off the case as well, which means it’ll be a cover-up of massive proportions.
Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension withdraws from ICE shooting investigation, says FBI blocked access to evidence The Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension (BCA) – the state’s top investigative agency – announced today that it would be withdrawing from the investigation into the fatal shooting of a 37-year-old woman in Minneapolis by a federal immigration agent.
Yeah, I’ve seen this video and sure the driver was at their worst causing a nuisance to ICE. I’m not convinced that should be crime worthy of a death sentence by an “agent” that thinks he’s a street judge.
What I saw entirely contradicts the narrative the US administration is trying to pedal.
The ICE agent was at no point under threat. Rather than move out of the way of the vehicle (which was turning away from him anyway), he stayed where he was and drew a firearm. It’s clear this move was designed to make them stop and get out of the car. Instead she (and I think in quite a valid way) panicked and tried to drive away. He fired, THEN moved out of the way and fired more. A clear, calculated move on his part.
Objectively it’s an attempt to completely rewrite the narrative to say she weaponized the vehicle, that the agent was run over, or that he was in fear for his life. These are all very obvious lies.
Now, I’m an outsider here. But I have to say this does make me think of other dictatorships and autocrats of the past and present. They need citizens to fear for their lives when they encounter agents of the state. This was true in Germany of the gestapo, and they want it to be true in the US of ICE. If they are successful in protecting this agent. If this does not go to trial (and it MUST be a State trial, for obvious reasons) then I fear this is the reality you will face.
The rest of the world cannot help you. We can only watch in horror as events like this unfold.
The rest of the world cannot help you.
Talk to your lawmakers about making it easier for people to obtain asylum
Yeah. We have our own problems. I’m not going to argue about that at all. But if you want to place our problems even close to the same level as the US situation, I don’t think you’re being rational.
if you want to place our problems even close to the same level as the US situation
I don’t, no argument that the US is a total shithole right now. I’m literally just saying that vulnerable people are going to need places to flee to and basically every country on the planet makes that process far too difficult.
I think in the case of refugees from the US (which I guess is the implication here?). I think most countries won’t accept that. Not because deep down they don’t (or won’t soon) recognize that there might be good grounds for it. But that they don’t want to poke a stick in the direction of what is a very volatile government over there right now. Especially one that has shown they’re not above just invading another country for their own ends.
The UK will especially be unlikely to do so bearing in mind our current leader has done his best to avoid any criticism of the administration and is generally going out of his way to appease the US president. Our next leader (oh I wish I could say it won’t be him) is more likely to side with the US administration AND make asylum harder to claim.
This seems to also be happening a lot in Europe right now. Hence why I say, you cannot count on us. Militarily we can’t do a damn thing, our leaders are doing their best to keep crosshairs pointed elsewhere, and things are only likely to get worse and not better over here.
Their point was that the rest of the world could help, not that they will.
Agreed. I just don’t think we (the plebs) can influence our governments in this case. Appeasement is going to be the way most go I’m afraid.
He needs to be prosecuted at the state level because no federal agency can be trusted and Trump has the power to pardon. Every ICE member present needs to be prosecuted as an accessory.
Kash Patel’s FBI? That one? Yeah… no thanks.
Can we get a serious person to do a real investigation instead of a bullshit self-assessment by the Trump administration. A woman was murdered in broad daylight you fucks.
The federal bureau of there are no Epstein files? I’m sure they will be REAL thorough with this one!
I am sure this will go well.
Why is his right eye looking forward, and his left eye looking right
The eternal question.
The very same FBI that is protecting pedophiles? Greeeeat.
Remember they want the FBI to make it a federal crime so Trump can pardon them. State level prosecution is necessary to avoid this.
Walz ordering the National Guard to shoot ICE on sight is what’s necessary.
He could just put out an arrest warrant
Federal officials aren’t immune from State laws
maybe in theory, but not in practice so far
they’re not immune to getting shot in the face, though
Not just in theory, it’s very much a thing in practice as well
The states are semi-sovereign legal zones. They have extradition and their own court systems and everything
Also, the FBI is currently run by Kash “Bug Eyes” Patel, another one of Trump’s picks. If he gets put in charge of any “investigation” he’s going to say that ICE did nothing wrong.
Tim Waltz needs to send in the guard yesterday to protect the people from ICE
and who will protect from the National Guard? Holy shit, USA, you have a lot of police and military.
Is Patel’s girlfriend providing entertainment ?
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