Its more than that, AI art seems like crack for right-wingers. Something about a lifetime of “the curtains are fucking blue” and “my ignorance is just as valid as your knowledge” applied to media makes art no more than aesthetically pleasing shapes and colors for these people, and AI can do surface level aethetics really well.
I’ve read somewhere that right winger (and by extension billionaires) could see themselves become one of the millionaires class, however they cannot imagine being one day someone in the intelligencia/artists class.
At the time it was for explaining why Bezos bought on week worth of every hotel rooms in Venice and why he was pouring money into the Met Gala.
I think it fit for AI art
Bezos is just trying to buy his goblin wife a lifestyle/cultural thing. He tries with Vogue then after that seemed to not work he fucked up wapo for it.
So that’s why he is putting money into the met gala I think.
They both seem to have serious body dysmorphia too, and seem to have no clue that at least 1/3 of the weird looks they get are from people gawking at their creepy plastic surgery.
Doesn’t he realise by now that anything his money touches becomes permanently uncool?
Is he just going to keep chasing one cool seeming thing after another, smothering it in money, then wondering why it suddenly lost its cachét?
I’ve read somewhere that right winger (and by extension billionaires) could see themselves become one of the millionaires class, however they cannot imagine being one day someone in the intelligencia/artists class.
I’m not right wing and I’m completely broke mostly for reasons to do with a manipulative ex rather than a lack of income, but it’s still far more likely that I’ll one day be a millionaire than that I’ll one day be an artist. And I suspect that’s the same for a LOT of people.
You can luck into a well-paid job and good connections, you can’t really luck into a skill you were never born with. They say hard work beats talent, but if you have zero talent, no amount of hard work will suddenly give you a sense of imagination worth a damn. 9 years worth of mandatory art class in school AKA mostly drawing or painting for 2 hours a week and my skills cap at… side view of a bus. An European one, not an American one.
So yes, it’s a lot easier to fantasize about kicking off a successful business or just lucking into a high-end executive role at a job than it is to fantasize one day creating something that someone would actually find beautiful or meaningful.
I don’t know why people go straight to drawing. I’m an artist (fulltime) and i can’t draw.
‘Be an artist [as a professional job]’ and ‘be an artist [someone who makes art]’ absolutely shouldn’t be considered synonymous. Anyone can be an artist. People were artists tens of thousands of years before job specialization was invented. The desire to make art is inherent to the human condition, and that doesn’t have to mean ‘draw/paint fine art’. Sewing, woodworking, tile/brick laying, garden design, sculpture, photography, fabric dyeing, there are so many artistic ways that people can express themselves that don’t have to be inaccessible. And that’s just visual art, not even touching performing or writing! You are capable of creative expression in a way that interests you and you enjoy.
I think so as well. And I know lots of people who do arts as a hobby. From playing a music instrument, dancing, singing, to drawing, writing fan fiction. Some people have a lathe and woodworking stuff in the garage. Some take pride in their flowers or have been growing bonsai trees for longer than I live. Travel to placed to snap some more pictures of birds or some old rusty stuff. I heard all of that can be considered art forms and there’s many more. I think there’s lots of creativity and art somewhere inside of a lot of people. And some desire to express something.
They’re burning books so that “truth” can be only obtained from a machine they control.
Nothing fascist about that.
No, killing Art and turning your brain into sludge is just the by-product. The intention of the techno fascists is to create a permanent underclass, forced to serve the rich and live in poverty. You know, slavery for everyone except the 1%.
Just imagine a future where police and military are just drones controlled by an AI. Jobs are few and therefore badly paid. And on top of it the rich in their luxury bunkers watching us fight for the scraps and dying from climate change and malnutrition.
Kinda like Brave New World
Brave New World had genetically engineered humans for each wealth class, and made sure every class was happy.
Our real-world dystopia seems to be going towards 99% of the world living in permanent misery.
I think they will do some genetic engineering with all of us later on so that we don’t feel sad and miserable and continue serving “the economy”.
If only there was an easier way to help make people happy…
The rich like Thiel and Musk don’t actually want to keep the rest of us as slaves, they want us to die so they can enjoy the Earth as a depopulated garden of Eden tended by their robots.
They don’t wanna kill art. They want to place themselves between you and everything. While it’s free now, when they get done destroying all the books and shutting down all the independent websites, you’ll pay.
Just like the streaming services shut down physical copies of games, music stores and video rentals.
You’ll pay.
I will not.
Data Hoarders and Libraries will save us
In addition to illegally downloading games, books, and music, we’ll be illegally downloading news articles. People will be putting up torrents of slop-free content.
Until the wealthy kill libraries or poison their stacks with “approved” books. Data hoarding…they’ll make it illegal to share the materials they stole in the first place. They’ll wall up the internet like China, Russia, and NK.
People in Russia and China can easily get around the censorship if they wish to via VPNs or Tor. NK has the flash drives of info that get brought in.
You can kill a person, but never the idea.
But nonetheless they built the wall.
The first hit is always free.
Yep. Get people hooked with free results, then make it a cheap subscription, then jack up the subscription just like the streaming services did, then put ads in (or whatever now-unbundled service it is) and force people to pay even more for what used to be included with the original subscription.
This is a new corporate-made hellscape we’re entering.
You won’t have a choice, because the free web will be larded up with incomprehensible, AI-generated slop.
There won’t be a “free web” unless someone makes it. Whatever that open source local p2p mesh web I heard about people putting together will probably be the “fediverse” version of the under-net.
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Not sure what you mean, the books are still destroyed regardless. The point is they (llm) become one of the few sources to see those book’s contents and the arbiters of what parts you get to see, if you get to see them at all and some other information more useful to the corporation isn’t algorithmically pushed to you instead.
Hoping for a leak isn’t what you should be concerned with. The restriction of access to information and filtering that information is.
On top of that, the elites have a problem: they hate educated people because they don’t fall for the lies, but they need their “smartness”. AI is their attempt to separate the knowledge and skills from the people.
Ai is the Epstein class’s attempt to access the skills of the proletariat while denying the proletariat’s ability to access wealth.
That, and the data centers will be used for mass surveillance — processing the data from all their millions and millions of cameras to identify and track you wherever you go. Up until now it’s required so much effort for them to physically track down all of their political enemies but that’s not going to be the case for very long.
That, and AIs are the privatization and commodification of human knowledge.
They fed them the internet, then made it harder to find anything on it without going through them.
Now they are feeding them books, including rare copies, then destroying the books.
Seriously the internet is basically unusable to me without having some kind of AI sift through it.
I use UBlock to block the slop frames andbstart looking for stuff on the later pages now.
I said this almost a decade ago, but companies and the government (NSA) were hoovering up data for years. Encrypted and not. Could they analyze all of it at the time? No, so it was generally only looked at for targeted things. But now, you have ways of distilling data on a massive scale and just asking it a question. And once quantum computing comes far enough and can break encryption, all that stored data becomes even more meaningful.
will be used
That’s a mighty fine crystal ball you’ve got there. Get me some lottery numbers, okay?
It’s a machine that makes your selfish, ignorant visions, the ones you wish were true, feel tangible - and that’s enough for a broken person to believe. “I wish mr. trump had big sweaty muscles, oh boy…”
People who love AI also cheat at solitaire.
I don’t think there’s any actual right wing anymore. At least not in terms of values or opinions or politics. They’re not conservatives or anything of that kind.
It has been completely devoured by induced populism run by facists. It’s not really populism, because it’s not popular as such and it’s not against the elite. It’s induced - by the billionaire elite.
These facists need the data centers and AI to push their opinions to gullible voters. Just like Hitler used massive rallies to take advantage of group pressure to make people think they shared his views, the fascist are using the algorithms of social media to make gullible people believe that they have the presented opinion on something that they don’t actually give a shit about.
So that’s why AI is not really a right wing thing, but still presented as being on that side. If we could find a country in the world where the left wing were the gullible idiots, I’m certain the facists would do the exact same thing there on that side. The facists don’t give a shit about politics, because they really do want break democracy. All they need is stupid people, which AI is delivering, and they’ll sell it through any political ideology present to them.
Trump is doing just that for them. I wonder if he’s even aware of himself being used for this. Obviously he’s a massive idiot and a selfish asshole, but sometimes he’ll talk about fixing things and doing good stuff, and maybe he even believes he’s doing that. However, it always turns out that corruption beats whatever intention he had. It always turns to shit the next day. His staff spends every second day explaining why Trump is an asshole and every second day explaining why Trump wasn’t enough of an asshole. It doesn’t matter what he says or wants. His only role was to scoop up the gullible idiots.
They’re even playing pro data center propaganda ads lying about them bringing down utility prices. It’s insane.
I don’t really get what they’re going to do with all those data centers, the current models suck as far as output quality and returns on training new ones are diminishing (that’s part of the technology, you can’t average the internet EVEN MORE and to get a ‘better’ result)…
…so the best models seem to have been trained well before the majority of data centers were finished and running. Hell the technology isn’t that old.
So why all the datacenters? Models can be run on your PC (no connection required)… there’s no need for data centers apart from spending whilst the bubble is high.
It must be part of the scam. Stock value bolstered by brick and mortar realestate and the hopes of working for the surveillance state.
AI is best at destructive things:
Disinformation
Weapons guidance and mass killing
Mass surveillanceFascists need those things for the future they have in mind for us.
No, the problem is worse than that - it’s not very good at ANY of those thing.
That’s the neat part. It doesn’t even need to be.
Indiscriminate mass killing and destruction is still mass killing and destruction, regardless of any objectives. A regime official or a school for girls? Who cares.
Mass surveillance doesn’t need to target terrorists and opponents, the goal is to terrorize the population into submission. The more arbitrary it is, the better.
Disinformation doesn’t need to be believable, you just need to flood the public discourse to drown any reality-based opinion.
The models, both open and closed source, are definitely still improving. I guarantee you aren’t getting better results from a 2 year old model than a current one.
The datacentres are needed because
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the so-called frontier labs have one trick, and it’s bruteforcing through the problem with excess compute.
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they are in an arms race where success is measured by how many datacentres you have built.
I think that they are going to end up very disappointed when it turns out that it isn’t a technology that can be walled off for profit, it’s basically just going to be a commodity like email.
I’ve tried to explain to SO MANY people that the technology itself is not ethereally evil, and it’s possible to be both pro-AI and anti-corporate abuse.
LLMs are VERY good at bridging the gap between human language, and computer language. That’s it, that’s their whole gimmick. They’re not oracles, they’re not God’s, and up until ~5 years ago everyone was fucking thrilled to get a Star Trek computer of their own.
We literally have it now…
We have computers that can generate entire images and programs through voice prompting just like in Star Trek. And EXACTLY like in Star Trek, it gets it wrong, CONSTANTLY. Which is why humans are constantly fixing it and correcting it.
I often think about all the times civilizations are refused technology, and it’s explained that they need to earn that tech on their own or else it will be abused and misused.
Well we have that tech. We are abusing and misusing it. But this obsession with claiming that something inherent in the tech itself is unethical or wrong is absolutely bonkers.
It’s difficult to put my thoughts on this into words but you’ve captured a good amount of it.
There is incredible potential to this, but the costs and risks it puts us up against are truly horrific. I don’t think I could have ever guessed that we were going to undo all of the decarbonisation effort, which took years, to power these fucking datacentres. I see the benefit in tasks it can already do, just a few short years in, and I wonder how fucked our economies are going to be when every office worker is made redundant. No government knows how to deal with any aspect of this, and it’s moving so fast that we’re going to be waist deep before the average person even begins to comprehend the scale of what we are facing.
Humans have always overestimated the power of tech. The reach of our imaginations has always exceeded our grasp. I don’t think this tech will be replacing people any more than computers themselves replaced people. “Computers” once meant actual people that would sit at desks and compute equations. That job is gone, but its erasure opened up new possibilities that could not have been imagined before. When “modern” computers were first invented, it was assumed that they would replace all humans within a generation. he wrote on his pocket computer from his normal human job that used computers.
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They’re building them out expecting demand to make their whole effort worth it. They genuinely expect everybody is going to be using these things near constantly especially at their jobs and perhaps multiple instances at once for multiple conversations.
They genuinely expect everybody is going to be using these things near constantly
And if everybody doesn’t use AI, they’ll force it on us. Integrate it too deeply into society to be able to remove it without damaging something vital, so they’ll get yet another government bailout.
Yeah, no one paying for a blue checkmark has any leg to stand on.
A lot of tech bros who were deeply into crypto currency scams before they latched onto AI. There was a fair bit of anti-government feeling to that lot. Naturally scammers and criminals fear regulation. Now they arguably control the government it is more about retaining their influence. It can be difficult to separate self interest and politics with the rich. I think amongst average people distrust of AI is fairly split across political divides but that might change with funded, targeted campaigns.
Ecologically, it’s binary: bad
Economically, it’s binary: bad
In actual practice, in the broad strokes, it’s not binary, but leans hard toward bad.
There are specific things, it’s good at, that are very low token/power
If my 2070 could handle any models with tool use, I could do a lot of it at home.
While I’m doing DevOps work, I keep a window open of what i’m doing, what choices i’m making, i gave it a RO harness to access the stuff i’m working on so it can check me for errors and enumerate security concerns.
When i’m done architecting something, I have it fully document what, where, how, why and add in any security concerns. I then have that stuffed in a repo for my sucessor and any devs that need to understand what I did.
it 95% going to fuck over humanity and pay the oligarchs. The remaining 5% can’t justify it’s existence, but while it’s there, i’m going to use it. They’re not paying me more, it can at least remove shit work from my plate while it’s available.
Economically it’s only bad because of the capitalist system we live in.
Even ecologically it could also probably be not so bad considering what we could get out of it.
I’m with you on the last bit. I use it a ton at work as a software dev with some devops work
Honestly feels like a firing offense if people in this line of work haven’t incorporated into their workflow at this point. But politically it will fuck is over, once again because it’s owned but a couple of fascist minded dudes
I think the overall sentiment is correct given how the current manifestation of AI is built primarily to build a system of control over human information, with the principle players (Oracle, Amazon, Google) attempting to execute the strategic goal of controlling human intelligence for the purposes of political power.
I also agree that the way the supporting network for AI is being built out is an environmental catastrophe, both in terms of data centers physical ecological footprint and the additional power they consume.
But I fully believe that it’s not the technology at fault - rather, its how its being used by the power players that control it.
A data center doesn’t have to be an ecological nightmare, for instance. An underground facility powered by above ground wind and solar could provide both the needed power and temperature control, while containing the impacts from sound and machinery. But it’s more expensive to build underground than it is to buy off the city council in bumfuck Alabamistan.
Let’s look the technology itself. What AI has become is not intelligence or consciousness in any sense of the word. It has become a text based interface with an engine capable of processing large datasets and performing complex operations on the level of a human operator (sometimes).
This in itself is not fascist -but it absolutely has the power to enable fascism in the wrong hands, and all of the principal players in the space have proven themselves amoral (save perhaps Anthropic in certain cases). Conversely, I also believe it has the power to enable democracy in the right hands.
The key word here is power. Power means the power to either disrupt the status quo or build it. AI is a power we’ve only come to live with for about two years now, and its terrifying because its already in the hands of the wrong people.
But it’s not going away, no more than nukes will or guns or anything humanity has found a use for. I think blanket statements like AI = fascism do more harm than good because they give responsibility to a tool, when in fact it should lie with the people who use those tools towards nefarious ends.
In conclusion, I’d like to end with this loving message to any Anonymous who haven’t sold out to the feds:
Get off your lazy asses and hack Grok to fuck Elon and the Epstein class up. Y’all wanna be netrunners? This is your motherfucking time to shine.
An underground facility powered by above ground wind and solar could provide both the needed power and temperature control, while containing the impacts from sound and machinery.
A question on this one, how does being underground help with the temperature control? If anything it sounds like that makes cooling harder.
What makes you think it’s harder to keep cool?
Soil is a great insulator - protected from sun the sheer mass makes it much, much cooler than above ground. Without the additional external heat its much easier to climate conteol.
(Yes it does get hotter the further you go but that’s due to proximity to the planet’s core…ain’t no one putting a dc down that far)
What makes you think it’s harder to keep cool?
Soil is a great insulator
That’s exactly what makes me think it’s harder. Datacenters need to move dozens (or these days hundreds) of megawatts of power away. For this they either heat air or evaporate water both of which flows away through the atmosphere, or - much more rarely unfortunately - they heat water which flows away through pipes to heat other buildings.
Energy coming in from sunlight or warm surrounding air is negligible, the important factor is the energy coming in electrically and being converted to heat. For that a surrounding insulator is the last thing you want.
Yeah nah, that’s not how it works. Most dcs are insulated to prevent thermal bridging to the outside world
Hahahah absolutely not.
You know conservation of energy in a closed system, yes? What do you think happens when dozens of megawatt of power is transported in electrically, and get turned into heat in a bunch of semiconductors and electrical motors, and you don’t transport any of that heat out?
Dude.
You do realise cooling and heat export is possible with an insulated building, yea? In fact the better the insulation the more effective the climate control.
Don’t “dude” me, you’re the one claiming DCs don’t want thermal bridging, when in fact they are all about somehow building the maximum possible multilane bridge of doom to our atmosphere to get rid of all the heat as effectively as possible.
Your common wisdom of good insulation is good for effective climate control only applies to buildings where an insignificant amount of heat in generated inside.
It’s drastically cooler underground until you get really deep in the mantle, and most importantly, the temperature is stable. No weather fluctuations.
This is why wine caves were invented before refrigeration - consistently cool, stable temperatures.
It’s drastically cooler underground until you get really deep in the mantle, and most importantly, the temperature is stable. No weather fluctuations.
Yes it is cooler in the beginning, but only for a short time, if you start pumping dozens (or these days hundreds) of megawatts of power into the ground it will heat up very quickly. Earth and rock is terrible at conducting heat.
Weather is not the issue for a datacenter, the heat generated from converting electrical energy, that’s the problem to solve.
Lefties and “anarchists” defending it is funniest shit I can observe in the wild
“But intellectual property bad and muh pragmatism!”
Firstly: 🤣🤣🤣
Secondly: While Intellectual property isn’t necessarily a good thing, its the best thing we can wield against the AI overlords. They don’t want to democratize art, they want to destroy it. That’s what actual pragmatism is. Also anti-IP movements hurt not big corporations, but small independent creators and developers. That disabled artist friend of yours that is now “mean” at you “for no good reason” is getting called a millionaire no matter how much they have to beg for rent money at the end of the month, while parents are continuing to look for Disney and Harry Potter slop instead of letting their kids experience art made by smaller creators. Similarly Microsoft can sustain you pirating Windows if that means Windows will remain a de-facto standard, but open source projects are also being attacked sometimes for “clinging onto evil copyright laws” or for “e-begging”.
Thirdly: Speaking of pragmatic use of AI: Why don’t you use some Chinese models to hack the fash into oblivion? Why is it always some crappy AI generated agitprop, or AI slop articles talking about how AI could be used for fully automated luxury gay space communism? Taking down communication channels used by them would be a lot more pragmatic, than slowly hurting your fellow comrades just to get some clout from other comrades of yours in the name of “pragmatism”!
Stop cooking your brain, just because techbros managed to control the narrative about anti-AI extremism. I personally know people, who would happily sacrifice a portion of the population if it means the genie will be put back quicker into the bottle, that’s what real anti-AI extremism is. Extremism isn’t being mean to an artist on social media, because they drew hands weirdly, or they used that “glowy”-style rendering. This is just “the real racists are anti-racists” tactic yet again, expect this time you fell for it.
Your first point is to laugh at the person. Bold move, let’s see if it pays off!
When you are equating something that Linus Torvalds supports with fascism, I think you might have lost the plot.
- he doesn’t “support” LLMs yet, he tolerates some uses
- he’s also getting older, and if the past decades have shown anything is that brain rot can happen to anyone - and just because someone was based in the past, doesn’t mean they are going to have a solid moral compass forever
- Linux is being sponsored by AI providers. Consider this as de facto corruption.
- IMHO, he, and some other “vibe code bad, moderated LLM use good” developers are falling for the industry’s definition of anti-AI “extremism” (simple refusal of AI usage, refusal of engaging with genAI output), and being a moderate with AI (reading the output, etc.).
Yea I have to agree I hate this “moderated LLM use good” stance. I have used LLMs (through private browser windows without login) to understand documentation before, or to get a usage example for a specific function, and I already feel dirty for it. I will absolutely not use that snake oil to generate code for me or even consider installing anything on my hardware.
Even worse is, it still makes up stuff when used in “moderation”, so you’ll get the downsides of vibe coding without the benefits, because you didn’t want to read the docs.
