…or “female presenting”
In the army that’s what they say
I’ve had a few conversations with my wife about this. Not army but military. We said either male Marines or female Marines depending on the situation or planning out movements and counts.
She said as long as you call the male version male then it’s less problematic. The problem is when you use the adjective female as a noun and call them females instead of female _________. That’s one persons opinion anyway.
It’s no different than any other group. If you refer to a Black person as “a Black” or a trans person as “a trans”, that’s not the polite way to say those things. It’s not like saying a slur or anything, but it is as the comic suggests a red flag.
We did the same we said either rank, or what they looked like and then male or female type. That’s literally just how we were talked to in training and then while in garrison or down range that was still something they said especially in situations with similar names/ranks. I never used it civie side though so I guess I can see how it is offensive to just group people like that. But in the military when we’re all dressed the same sometimes it just works?
Maybe that’s a sign of something.
And that would be?
Aa much as some people do use it in a dehumanizing way, I am gonna get angry at anyone who unleashes their anger to random people, someone might not realize their error or even have english as their second or third language which does create a problem; please before getting angry, consider their intent and situation.
They also might be doing it because woman and female satisfy different grammatical properties. It bugs me when people say “woman president”. It’s just bad grammar. No one would say “Bill Clinton was a man president”. It makes people sound like they are in preschool.
Female as an adjective isn’t frowned upon, is it? It has a misogynistic connotation when used as a noun.
Exactly. Female is an adjective to describe an aspect of a person, so the argument above you is disengenuous. Saying someone is a “black woman” is also not offensive because a woman is a person. Calling someone “a blackie” absolutely would be offensive, just like referring to women as “females” reduces their humanity to a sex organ. Its not complicated until people start trying to normalize mysogeny. Pretending “female president” is equally respectful as “a female” is rediculous.
There is an implied “and” and it serves a different purpose. Female president is basic adjective noun. Woman president is a dual identity and richer concept. Man president, like “human president” sounds awkward because it is entirely redundant.
The correct term would be “presidentte”
I thought that was Italian for president
“Presidentess” then?
Common sense, you say? How dare you!?
Nuance!? On the internet!?!?
I learned English as a 2nd language and was always confused why Anglophones call women females. My language calls them women, full stop. Stop protecting it.
Remember, it is okay to use “female” as an adjective when it comes to women, but don’t use it as a noun!
And especially don’t say “Men and females”!
Also, don’t say “Male and Womens” is also wrong too by the way!
To be more inclusive I recommend Men and Nonmen. /s
Correct, males and females are sex designating terms. Men and women are the byproduct of social uses of biological terms (the sexes) which resulted in social characteristics we wound up calling genders. Recently we have added genders following historians discovering that other cultures, aside from our roman/pagan one, used more than genders than the binary ones. This being an obscured fact due to the colonial age, during which European settlers destroyed the cultural patrimony of the majority of other societies on this earth (often now referred to as the third world or global south). And before someone makes the mistake of calling these ideas woke, these ideas are the product of decades of work from historians, sociologists, archeologists, anthropologists and other doctors of the social sciences and are contested due to a gap in education between the average working class human and the average academic.
Not really, male is just the adjectival form of man. I’d absolutely describe a trans men’s meetup as an extremely male space, even if everyone there was assigned female at birth.
You’re confusing transgenderism with transsexuality. This man can have a vagina and be he/him, it s really his business if he wants to take testosterone and grow a beard whilst having a vajayjay. Meanwhile, a MtF woman can have a dick if she did not go through sex reassignement surgery. In this instance, both are not transsexual. The trans man is female (vagina=female) whilst socially being a man. The woman has a penis (male sex organ). This confuses some people and is why it is still a debate.
The real reason this all makes social practical sense is because a lot of males in society are not very manly and a lot of women are not very feminine. In the past the words to describe these people would be faggot, queer, dyke, or other slurs. Simply because they did not fit what society defined as “a real man” or “a real woman”.
It’s also important to highlight that a lot of transsexual men and women do not believe in transgenderism because it leads to non-binary genders, genders which are unclear or vague (like the "they/them which means the person feels equally masculine and feminine). To these trans men and women, sex reassignment is acceptable but since they do not understand the nuance between gender and sex (or they do not accept it) like a lot of cisgender people who lean right politically, the debate keeps occurring because of willful ignorance whilst this debate has been closed for over 20 years within academia.
Yes, I’m aware of the cissexual trans people, and the political conflict within the community revolving around them, though I think you’re certainly confused about the modern understanding of a lot of this within the trans community. If you’re going to draw a line anywhere, hormones are a much better place than bottom surgery, speaking as someone who’s undergone both. Hell, there are even nonbinary bottom surgeries these days, with both and neither being on the table.
All of this is however generally unrelated to the fact that how people use the words male and female right now is kinda a shitshow. You’ve got people like me using them as the adjective of gender, others using them like you, then still others using them to refer to assigned sex at birth (especially among those who reject the idea that most aspects of sex are mutable or that sex is a bimodal distribution of many traits, most of which are bimodally distributed themselves, but instead argue it’s a binary based on a single trait).
As I noted the previous time this was posted, that is a sail, not a flag. They are different things, and I can’t get past that.
No problem with the overall joke, but it is a sail!
It’s a really big red flag when a cartoonist refers to a sail as a flag
Yep. You just can’t use sails to tell things to others on the sea.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theseus
On the third occasion, Theseus volunteered to talk to the monster to stop this horror. He took the place of one of the youths and set off with a black sail, promising to his father, Aegeus, that if successful he would return with a white sail.[iv]
Theseus forgot to put up the white sails instead of the black ones, so his father, the king, believing he was dead, committed suicide, throwing himself off a cliff of Sounion and into the sea, causing this body of water to be named the Aegean Sea.
Should we boycott @rusty.creates? Apparently he’s a red flag.
Rusty sail!
Rusty nail
Yummy! 😋
“I refer to sails as flags”
It’s functionally a flag though. Like it’s both a sail and a flag at this point. Imagine a pirate ship with their entire sail being the black flag; now that’s what I call intimidation
I agree, but also understand that it’s probably done because of the comic format. If they were to do it properly, it would’ve required an additional panel to show an establishing shot of the whole ship and then a close up showing the flag.
Looks like a sail to me
That’s not a flag grumble grumble
Is referring to a red sail as a red flag a red flag?
Closer to a red herring maybe?
did you just assume that flag’s pronouns?
check your privilege!
She was living in a single room with three other individuals. One of them was a male, and the other two? Well, the other two were females. God only knows what they were up to in there. And furthermore, Susan, I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised to learn that all four of them habitually smoked marijuana cigarettes… reefers.
oh gods did you know susan is one of them females
I woke two joints in the morning.
I woke two joints at night.
I woke two joints in the afternoon.
It makes me feel alright.I think you need help
Nah, theyre good
They’re just alright
that s is really what does it
Pluralization bad?
“The other two? The other two were a female and another female…”
Better?
That looks more like a sail, than a flag
Nautically accurate, but the visual gag would be a lot less funny that way
That’s why sailors used monoculars…
Ypp, the third frame could be the guy lifing the telescope to his eye and the fourth could be a close up on a flag.
I must disagree, something about having Cap’n Incel perched proudly on the bow with the red sail’d words large and also in frame is Objectively Funnier
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Is it a ferengi ship?
Hoo-man females
Together with: “I’m not racist, but…”
It feels like there should be a different category for that and “Females.”
Like, “I don’t like to talk politics” or “I only believe in traditional medicine” are red flags.
“Females” and “I’m not racist, but…” are howling, screaming, nuclear meltdown sirens.
A.k.a. the “but(t)-Nazis”
I’d like to see a chart that explains which circumstances are suitable for using the word “female,” vs which circumstances are unsuitable tor using the word “female.” It might be an entertaining chart.
Fairly simple:
Female as an adjective: acceptable, except when used unnecessarily to suggest their being female is an “other” category or otherwise seems irrelevant (e.g. “I went to the female podiatriast to get my ingrown toenail taken care of” or “I got cut off by a female driver on my way to work.”)
Female as a noun: unacceptable, except in descriptive reports or scientific/medical references where the use of “female” can essentially be short for “female subject”, (e.g. “white female, five foot seven, blonde, with a tattoo on right forearm” or “the female of the species tends to be larger than the males…”)
Basically, adjective: yes, when relevant
Noun: no, unless your are specifically supposed to by policy or convention.
Statistics does also often have reasons to utilise male and female, rather than man or woman. If their sample size is large enough, then further categorisation might make sense, but ultimately it depends on what the statistics are about and whether it’s related to biological features (male/female) or social features (man/woman/non-binary)
@[email protected] and @[email protected], why did you downvote @[email protected]’s comment. I found it very helpful and informative. Do you disagree with the explanation?
*Edit: upon further investigation, seejaypeeko’s account is 3 years and 3 months old and has no posts or comments. They sure do like to vote tho.
Who hurt you
It is weird that there’s people who only vote and never post or comment.
Oh, it’s actually very common. 90% of users never post or comment at all. Welcome to the 10%!
Why even make an account then?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
They may like pressing the up/down button. Personalized feed. Being able to block people/instances, etc.
Yeah, mate you shouldn’t really bother calling out downvotes or upvotes.we all vote for our personal reasons and you won’t be able to infer that at all from a single ± 1.
Also it’s just rude
Not sure, but I think of woman as a noun and female more commonly as an adjective.
Basically like most things if you’re a white male it’s not acceptable lol
Saying this as a “white male”: you sound like a whiny little loser.
White cis males, truly the most oppressed minority.
You’re just so opressed. Poor little baby.
Sorry master i was just answering the question
Now you’re literally comparing yourself to being a slave just because you aren’t immune to the judgements and criticisms of others. Nobody is putting you in jail, you’re not on trial, your freedom of speech is fully uninpinged, you can say whatever you want, but if you can’t handle criticism then maybe keep your coward mouth shut. Pathetic.
but if you can’t handle criticism then maybe keep your coward mouth shut. Pathetic.
so it would be less pathetic if they took your criticism and just ignored it?
It would be less pathetic if they dropped the victim complex, but pathetic will always be inseparable from that specific argument.
Your criticism and judgement just proved me right so it was quite welcomed actually.
Hi I’m an impartial observer of this exchange. I can say objectively, and without bias that no you were not proven right.
Hi, I’m a partial observer o
f this exchangePack it up yall, the fully unbiased and impartial Lemmy trans woman said I was wrong.
Sure.
Fuck off
Log off, loser
