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The system didn’t fail them, voters did.
If being convicted of 34 felony counts of fraud and civil liability for rape did nothing to persuade voters then there was nothing Jack Smith could have done to change their minds either.
This is the real nail in the coffin.
Take Trump and Republicans entirely out of the equation and you’re still left with a majority of braindead stupid Americans. That problem ain’t going away anytime soon.
Our populace simply isn’t intelligent enough to maintain a democracy.
We’re cooked.
This is the mental dead end I reach every time. It’s not even just “elections have consequences” or “voters are frustrated.” It’s that huge numbers of Americans are passionate supporters of this specific monster. Many of them have bad reasons, or are ignorant, or have been deceived, but the support that matters is there.
Things like the electoral college, FPTP, and gerrymandering are serious problems we need to fix. But fixing those will not fix the hearts and minds of the people. There is so much more that has to change.
It has had me seriously wondering if whatever hellish stuff Trump’s handlers have planned to dismantle the government is going to be the FASTER way to get to the part where we rebuild something better.
While voters do share some responsibility, they correctly mobilized and ripped this asshole out of office 5 years ago. The voters were failed by Merrick Garland, who clearly didn’t think treason or insurrection were that big of a deal.
Yeah, but that took an unprecedented situation (once in a century pandemic) and a million+ dead Americans. He absolutely would have won a second term if COVID didn’t happen.
American voters are pretty goddamn stupid and there’s really no way around that.
The US is looking pretty fucked right now. RIP
Did it to ourselves
I did not. I did my damnedest in order to try and inform everybody who was around me. I try to help bring up all of the aspects and all of the problems. Our biggest failure is all those who didn’t even vote. Not those who did but those who couldn’t even be assed to get off of theirs and go out and fill out the form. But let me Tell you what this administration did Nazi coming… My unadulterated ass now being even more bold and happy just telling them to fuck off. Might as well start feeding them the same bullshit they’ve been doing to us for the last eight years. I am now refusing to do absolutely anything involved with anything that they want done I am going to drag my dick on everything and anything I might construe as being helpful to their cause. I’m going to bitch and moan as loudly as possible . I’m going to be the most cantankerous pain in the ass that anybody has ever come across.
That orange fuck can get stuffed should have stayed in oompa loompa land maybe And I’m just saying maybe lighten up on the amount of tanning cream that he’s using or at least tell his apprentices they need to slow up cuz we all know Mr tiny hands is incapable of squeezing the fucking bottle himself. Don’t want to accidentally use too much energy might be construed as exercise and that might actually physically kill him God damn medical oddity. How can somebody eat that poorly and do literally nothing and still be walking around.
The biggest failure was the Democrats who nominated Biden in 2020. That primary was the last offramp that could have avoided a fascist takeover, either in 2024 or 2028, with Trump or a Trump clone.
The return of Trump might just have bought us another shot in 2028, but it’s not looking like the Democrats have learned much. Trump has a lot of similarities to Hoover and, as bad a President as he was, he was great for Democrats and progressivism. If the Democrats can get their heads out of their asses, the Trump Presidency might open a path to save the country - assuming we survive it.
The biggest failure
I’d argue it started with Hillary, when the dems basically ignored their constituents and put her on the ticket.
Should have been Bernie… it was rigged in her favor and they’ve been reaping the bullshit of that cheat since…
The thing about Hillary’s loss against Trump was that it should have shocked the Democratic party into reform. The way they manipulated to get Biden and “anyone but Bernie” proved that they learned nothing.
The fact that the Justice Department gave him enough time to tour around the country whining and crying, spreading his stolen election lies before they charged him is what won Trump the election. It’s almost like they were in on it.
Edit: Clarity.
If Trump were in prison it would be someone else. Trump didn’t start this fascist movement, he surfed it. Trump is a uniquely detestable person, but he’s not the worst President the Republican party could come up with.
Nah, it takes time to build up a cult of personality. What Republican could step into that role and stay in the news in the same way? Schwarzenegger? He can’t be your president, name literally one other person.
Against Biden or Harris? I think you’re overestimating how hard they were to beat. Another Republican might not win the popular vote but, unlike Democrats, Republicans don’t need a mandate to get things done.
DeSantis. Abbott.
For all of Trumps numerous flaws, he does have a type of charisma that no other Republican has. Trump manages to attract more people than just another Republican ghoul could. I honestly think without Trump we’d have had a much easier time winning.
Thanks Hillary and the DNC for signalboosting this piece of shit because you thought he was an easy opponent to beat…
President Musk would like a word
The biggest failure was the Democrats who nominated Biden in 2020.
Wrong.
The biggest failure is the American electorate.
We can put that on the Democrat’s tombstone, for all the good it will do.
Most voters are woefully ignorant. That’s nothing new. It has always been that way. The job of the politician is to reach voters. One party does this effectively and one doesn’t. The Republican message ends up being the only message ignorant voters are aware of, and they live in a different reality from political junkies.
This doesn’t excuse the voters but, if “voters suck” is all we get from it, then what do we do with that information? How does that help us win next time?Blaming voters is a loser strategy.
Let’s use hyperbole correctly.
The biggest failure is the failure of becoming a nazi. By about a trillion percent.
Sounds truthy, but no. Becoming a Nazi creates one Nazi. Becoming a neoliberal can create thousands of Nazis.
The fact that you think Democrats and Republicans are two seperate competing parties is laughable. As if the Democrats did all this by mistake to give tax cuts for their corporate overlords.
So edgy.
We haven’t had any agency in this for a long time. The two parties run the show on behalf of our billionaire owners.
One party fought tooth and nail to get cheaper healthcare for the vulnerable. I was one of them in my 20s. That same party regularly votes in favor of the middle and lower classes and doesn’t take our rights away. Reduces prescription drug prices. Bans medical debt from showing up on credit reports. Forgives student loans.
Americans chose to give total power to the party that does the opposite.
Not. The. Same.
We can have a better future and inch towards things like universal healthcare by electing the only party that can be influenced. We’re actively choosing not to.
Didn’t say they were the same, I said that we have no control over what they do in our names
Rather, the parties and their owners control us as they have for generations, by owning the newsmedia and steering public opinion as they see fit.
Ah yes, the “both are the same” trope. Remember when Biden threatened to invade Sweden? I think it was the day Hunter Biden was working as secretary of commerce.
Didn’t say they were the same, I said that we have no control over what they do in our names
Rather, the parties and their owners control us as they have for generations, by owning the newsmedia and steering public opinion as they see fit.
I said that we have no control over what the parties do.
One party can be influenced and there is abundant proof of that. The other cannot.
Yeah, that’s the problem. The Republicans are being influenced by rich assholes and Democrats are too busy blaming the voters for their failure to listen to them.
Yes we did… as was said a long time ago, the only thing that can destroy America is America
Well that’s not true. 49% of voters voted against him. Many of us did a lot more than vote. We failed to stop him, sure, but that’s a different thing.
Well, that’s democracy. The fact that Donald Trump, famous dumbass, got even 20% of the vote would be embarrassing, but he actually won the election. Twice. As a convicted criminal (once).
I had pity the first time, but this one is totally on you guys. This time I’m here to browse /r/leopardsAteMyFace and I brought popcorn.
What percentage of your adult population vote for him? Isn’t it something like 1/6th of your population?
Part of living in a democracy is accepting that 49% isn’t enough
The first thing in democracy, I would say.
Let the Gleichschaltung begin.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleichschaltung
https://www.annefrank.org/en/anne-frank/go-in-depth/germany-1933-democracy-dictatorship/Good luck USA. Don’t stop fighting.
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The only thing that Americans can do is obvious and yet all I’ve seen online is finger wagging and “hot takes”. Fucking embarassed for you.
If we protest we lose our jobs which means we lose our healthcare. Are you beginning to see how they have us by the balls?
If someone has you by the balls and they won’t let go, then cut off their hand.
Wouldn’t that even more of a reason to protest? It’s almost a meme at this point, but the US is the only developed country without universal healhcare. But people keep voting for the party that countless times has threatened to cut even Medicare.
And if a random dude in Germany knows this, every voter in Bumfuck, Nebrahoma should, too, but here we are.
Almost half of Americans live paycheck-to-paycheck. One day of missed work means that their kids could starve.
It’s just not that simple. Believe me, we all wish it was.
It could be as simple as voting for the right person (Bernie Sanders in the past, maybe AOC in the future), but the fact is most Americans believe what billionaire TV told them and don’t want Universal Healthcare.
I think you’re underselling the effects of fifty years of deliberate, targeted propaganda a bit. This isn’t the result of measured thought, this is what happens when you allow a right-wing media apparatus to operate unchallenged for generations. (Not alone, other factors like our national narrative of self-reliance and an erosion of resources and respect for public education are significant. As well as racism since we never properly dealt with the losers of the Civil War)
Good luck on voting for anyone that isn’t a token in future elections.
Don’t worry, neither party gives a shit about healthcare. It doesn’t matter who we vote for.
Bernie Sanders thinks otherwise. But people seem to prefer Clinton and Biden.
neither party gives a shit about healthcare
Were you born in the last decade or do you not remember Democrats moving mountains just to get Obamacare passed? Which gave me affordable healthcare when I had none.
I worked in health insurance when that happened.
The insurance companies were ecstatic about Obamacare. A big ole fat blank check from the American public, backed by the US government. They had to cover more but the feeling was, and it ended up being true, that they’d claw back their exclusions in court.
Obamacare was a health insurance scheme in a healthcare costume. Maybe at inception it was about healthcare, but after the Democrats spent months trying to negotiate with Republicans and giving them pointless compromise after compromise, and the Republicans still refused to support it, they passed health insurance reform, mandated everyone buy it, and paved the way for the fastest increases in health insurance costs in history.
I mean, the democrats haven’t given us healthcare either, despite having had the opportunity more than once. Best they’ve done is make a nationwide marketplace and told us we have to buy healthcare from one insurance corporation or another, or we get fined in the form of additional taxes for not contributing to billionaires.
I mean, the democrats haven’t given us healthcare either
They gave me affordable healthcare when I was younger (Obamacare). It isn’t always about getting exactly what you want, because you never will in politics. It’s about scraping and clawing and fighting to get anything, at all. And in my lifetime I’ve gotten WAY more out of Democrats than Republicans. Respect where respect is due. It took a monumental effort for Obama to get that shit done.
Baby steps to universal healthcare.
But we just lost dozens of baby steps by electing Republicans. Good job voters.
They didn’t have the votes to pass anything better, and even this the Republicans tried to undo.
Now without McCain (or some similar with some convictions), you can kiss Obamacare goodbye. And I’m 90% sure they will repeal it without a replacement.
And I’m 90% sure they will repeal it without a replacement.
Oh absolutely. Look what happened when McCain shot down the last effort. They didn’t go back to the drawing board and re-work it and try again. They just gave the fuck up. After spending years saying they could do better than Democrats.
And our homes, meaning our family members also become homeless
organize, unionize, the second best time is now
There’s a reason every American was raised on the mantra of “violence is never the answer” and “if you fight back you’re just as bad.”
Peaceful protest against tyrannical governments only work if they’re seen as an opening offer backed by the potential for non-peaceful escalation.
Too bad one party decided that guns were bad and spent the last 50 years disarming itself.
First of all, “one party” simply asked for regulation instead of bending over for the NRA without it even reaching around to return the courtesy. Second, there is a reason why lone gunmen shoot up schools and not military bases.
The NRA, which has been proven to be fu ded by Russia.
What are you gonna do when the government comes after you with your scrawny ass weapon? It’ll work against a neighbor, sure, but the military can see through your walls using wifi alone. There’s a literal helicopter above your house tracking your every move. They know more about you than you realize. This is the strongest army in the world we’re talking about.
And, even if violence sounds tempting, there are so many things to do before any of that, like resist and organize. You can definitely fight back in man other ways besides a picket sign and a gun. I’m not sure why those are the only two options.
You don’t get in a tank fight with a pistol. Pick your battles.
United Healthcare just lost 80 billion in value when some rando took out its CEO.
What are you gonna do when the government comes after you with your scrawny ass weapon?
The same thing al quaeda did in Afghanistan I presume
No way that would work here. We have like, grass and stuff. The sand helps to… slow them down or something…
It’s not that funny but I’m poking at the anti 2A people who always ask what you plan to do with your rifle against an apache helicopter. There’s good examples to point to as you noted, but I’m more interested in the obvious counter point, which is what are you going to do to that apache without a gun? I never hear an answer to that one. Obviously nobody on the ground is going to be having a good time in that situation but at the end of the day I’d rather be taking shots at it than throwing rocks or just lying face down and hoping they miss me.
efore any of that, like resist and organize. You can definitely fight back in
resisting and organizing are necessary steps.
Do you really think they’ll be effective against the man that will happily mow down the people resisting?
When one side is ready to use violence and the other side is not, the other side always loses.
We’re still monkeys with sticks over here.
Is he mowing people down? He’s purging and people are resisting, as they should. And despite that the only threat has been towards us foreigners. You have more to worry about your fellow bleeding heart patriots. Arm yourselves against those first if you must.
Let’s let this post sit here and we’ll see who rusts first
Alright, fine by me.
This is such a crazy assertion. I know plenty of democrats who own guns. They just generally don’t make it their personality.
It also ignores the massive arms difference between a government of today and its citizens vs when the constitution was written.
Lots of change has happened in the US as the result of protests that go violent, but none have ever succeeded using guns.
The point of the second amendment isn’t to go toe-to-toe with the military and never has been. It’s to make every citizen a potential threat to those in power, and to allow for guerilla warfare.
A pistol can’t beat a tank, but it can kill a politician or general if it’s weilded by the right random person at the right time and location.
True. The original point was for ordinary citizens to return escaped slaves at gunpoint.
https://www.npr.org/2021/06/02/1002107670/historian-uncovers-the-racist-roots-of-the-2nd-amendment
Americans can vote, and a majority of them voted for this a short few months ago. This is exactly what he said he would do. This is what he did the previous 4 years he was in power. Americans want this. They don’t even have the excuse of popular vote this time around. They fully committed to this.
thinking that voting is the only necessary political action is how you all boiled the frog
I’m not fighting in a violent revolution against an insane retarded fascist controlling the most powerful military on earth because some people explicitly chose to not prevent the fascist from taking office out of their sense of virtue pearl clutching.
I’m not fighting in a fucking violent revolution against an insane retarded fascist controlling the most powerful military on earth because some people explicitly chose to not prevent the fascist from taking office out of their desire to pressure me to fight in a fucking revolution (left accelerationists), I hope they have fun getting shot/tortured by fascists.
I owe both of these groups nothing. I did not choose to be born and I did not choose their revolution, I’m out. I hope they’re happy with the shitty world they’ve enabled.
Violent revolution isn’t option 2 but it might very well be necessary, and I don’t blame you for wanting no part of it but we’ll all be thankful if it happens. People have had to make tough choices in the face of fascism and evil throughout history and it’s only thanks to them that those things have been rebuffed in the past.
Yup.
As an American I can confirm that Americans are fucking stupid.
Hope you’re comfortable with us having the most powerful military to ever exist. I’m certainly not.
49% of voters, about a 3rd of eligible voters
49.8% (so rounding it would be 50%) and 3 million people more than in 2020. And a whole a while 14 million more than in 2016. Eligible voters who didn’t vote made an explicit choice and are equally complicit.
They had a choice of a dumbass and literal criminal and a prosecutor and they made their choice.
All the 2A nutjobs who have been waiting their entire lives for this turned into fucking crickets.
The nutjobs still think he’s on their side, unfortunately.
If only there was an amendment for that very situation…
Huh, fired? For what cause?
Attempted justice.
A criminal is the head of the governing body that makes the laws. Why even bother asking why he’s not following them?
“cause what are you going to do about it?” Apparently
Fascism is here. Causes aren’t required anymore.
Oh don’t worry about that -they’re reclassifying then as at-will first. Which is the crookedest hiring policy ever. We have it here in Illinois and it’s total bullshit.
Its US. You can be fired at any time. What do you think this is? Europe?
Literally, from the article:
It was also not immediately known how many of the fired prosecutors intended to challenge the terminations by arguing that the department had cast aside civil service protections afforded to federal employees
That tells me federal employees have different rules and they may have a path to make things uncomfortable for a while. Whether that’s worth the effort is up to them.
By private companies. Federal employees have a lot more protections.
I live in a at-will
right to workstate, so I understand that. But not every state is an at-willright to workstate, and surely the way federal employees are treated is legislated differently and not on a state level. Do federal employees have zero protections?Right to work means non-union employees can’t be forced to pay dues in a unionized workplace. It has nothing to do with at-will employment, which allows an employer to terminate an employee without cause at any time.
The only non-at-will state is Montana.
Right to work means they have the right to fire you for any reason. Sure you can also quit for any reason, but who really needed that?
Right to work means they have the right to fire you for any reason.
It literally and definitively does not, hence my prior post.
No, that’s “at will” employment. “Right to work” is a completely different thing related to non union members paying into the union.
I’ll stand corrected
On paper or in practice?
Because seems like whatever president says goes.
Fair question. On paper. On paper is what actually matters, long term… So long as the checks in balances in place aren’t all totally neutralized.
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The BS reason they gave is in the article. We all know the real reason is that they aren’t loyal to Dear Leader.
Probably because they think he is incompetent and should be in jail. If your employees don’t respect you and think you should be in jail, then they might not be a good fit.
We aren’t even close.
Virtually every last American in the middle class, what’s left of it, will need to have a very sharp decline in their quality of life before we stand up in solidarity and force change. So, when their “Dancing With The Stars” gets taken away or their morning cup of coffee is so extremely expensive they can’t afford it anymore. Basically, when they stop getting their fix.
We’re headed in that direction for sure, but we ain’t there yet.
Americans are pussies. We let creature comforts make us complacent well past the point that we should have done something.
I’m probably going to get downvoted into oblivion but it’s the white middle class that won’t do anything until they lose their conveniences. Asian, black, latino, Indian, and middle eastern know they aren’t wanted here and their thoughts and opinions are often left ignored or hardly represented in government. They’ve had the bare minimum for decades and times of political and economic strife hit them first and hardest.
White America rather vote for a con-man that tells them what they want to hear than even fathom the idea of an “undesirable” sharing the same luxuries they enjoy. I got mine fuck you
Of course, it’s more than just losing their jobs. What employer would hire someone with a target on their back from the President of the United States?
Their entire careers are screwed.
At least all that stuff about a weaponized DOJ is over right?
The only thing worse than Russia is a wannabe Russia that had a feasible choice.
Sue him. Inundate him with lawsuits regardless of the fact he’s already gotten away with being a criminal so that the courts are forced to give attention to the numbers of wrongfully terminated gov’t employees
This is just the start. He’s going to purge every competent person who believes in the national mythology / shows an ounce of backbone and replace them with incompetent yes men. These people tend to be very intelligent, resourceful, and well-connected. I don’t think this will be the last we see of them. Something tells me that giving a whole lot of people who plotted the overthrows of multiple foreign governments lots of time off together maybe isn’t his most brilliant idea yet.
Straight from the Project 2025 manual. It’s crazy that I tried to get people to read it before the election and I got called a conspiracy theorist, but here he is actually executing the plan and these same people just deny it’s happening. I can’t help but think they prefer to be ignorant.
Unfortunately it’s always a conspiracy theory until it’s put into action. But by then it’s too late…
It’s exactly like the Nazi problem. To most people they aren’t officially Nazis until we’re literally being shipped into death camps. Anything that happens before that is just “awkward waves” and “political disagreements.”
:(
I guarantee that they STILL won’t be Nazis to those people even then. There is ALWAYS an excuse.
Welcome to 1930s Germany.
A bunch of ignorant, uneducated people experiencing economic hardship that vote in a proto-authoritarian out of desperation because their minds were warped by propaganda and hatred.
Expect things to get much worse.
Yep, had republicans I know believe Trump when he said he knew nothing about P2025, now here they are following it to the letter.
Its infuriating because his “Agenda 47” was basically project 2025 with less words.
Fired on what grounds? Can a suit, perhaps many, be filed for wrongful termination?
Ordinarily you’d need ground for dismissal, yes. But one of the first things Trump did was follow the plan for Project 2025 which included, amongst other things, reclassifying a fuck ton of government jobs as political jobs, enabling Trump to hire and fire people for political reasons.
In almost everywhere in the US, you can fire anyone, at any time, for any reason, or for no reason at all, as long as it’s not because of membership in a protected class (age, sex, gender, national origin, etc.). (Or, obviously, if there’s union or other rules around it.)
Government jobs are like the one place where that isn’t true.
Not anymore :(
Yeah… :-(
It’s gonna be a long four years.
Hah… four. I see you’re an optimist.
Lol aww bless your heart thinking it’s over in 4 years.
There is a process for suing the federal government for wrongful termination, but idk how it would work when you’re dealing with the actual Justice Department
The Justice Department can be sued. You don’t need them on your side in order to file a lawsuit. How far the Supreme Court will go to rubber stamp it is an open question. And by the time it gets resolved one way or another it’ll be way past the firing.
“The horse has fired the horse catcher.”
“I didn’t know he could do that.”
Up is down, black is white. I hate this country. Rather, I hate a lot of my fellow citizens.
I’m on the country-hate train. Shit’s garbage.
