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He’s literally an alien from another planet. He was sent here because he lost his home planet. He’s always been an immigrant/refugee. Do these people have a single brain cell between all of them?
I say this a lot, but conservatives either have very poor media literacy, or are happily lying to further their agenda. Sometimes both.
I had one guy try to tell me he was probably legal.
Yeah I bet he routinely reports to the Kryptonian embassy…
Both, it’s both.
He also came here as a child.
He also fought Nazis. And turned the KKK into cartoon villains.
The story’s only been around 86 years. Relax.
No, they squished that brain cell when it caused them pain.
Yeah but he’s nice. And their president told them that immigrants are rapists and killer
And eaters of dogs and cats.
The word woke is badge of honour at this point.
Always was.
I love “insults” that are really complements
You’re smart, haha nerd!
You’re capable of empathy, haha woke!Remember “social justice warrior”? Always made me think of Superman, incidentally
I always hated it because it’s in the past tense but used in the present tense in common parlance. It should be “awakened”, but I always preferred “aware” or “cognizant” if “woke” means to describe a state of understanding of the historical patterns of predation, conquest, and subjugation along with their underlying causes between groups of people (my opinion on its definition; not meant to be taken as gospel).
However, it doesn’t matter what I think; grammatically incorrect or not, language evolves relentlessly.
If it helps, the word is about 80 years old and was coined by Black musicians in the 1930s, most notably blues legend Lead Belly, who would end concerts by telling people to “stay woke”.
So it’s not just a contrived way to say “awake”; it comes from natural speech.
Your definition is pretty much the same as the original definition. It means being aware of the existence of systemic racism, and for Black people especially to be aware of the threat that entails.
That definition hasn’t really changed. If someone says they’re “anti-woke”, assume they mean that they don’t want people to be aware of systemic racism. Not that they’re denying systemic racism exists, but that they want to protect it by reducing awareness of it. You’ll find that this definition makes perfect sense in that context, and they’re using “woke” to mean the same thing Lead Belly meant in 1938. They’re just against it.
If you never break the language by being playful, the language will stagnate.
Human communication works better when people can creatively express themselves, regardless if is “correct”.
My opinion is that language can and does regress sometimes, or more specifically put, sometimes it gets harder to parse and determine meanings due to changes in common usage, irrespective of how it’s creatively expressed.
I think the lesson from that is to understand that the phenomenon is relentless and inescapable because it’s inherently a biological adaptation. It’s a fool’s errand to attempt to uphold linguistic purity, and thus, it isn’t a terribly important hill to die on, so to speak.
A synonym for ‘anti-woke’ is ignorant, so if that’s what people want to reveal themselves to be, it’s fine by me and that’s what I’ll call them.
I’ve slowly distanced myself from political communities so now I see nonsense like this and wonder what’s going on out there.
The new Superman movie basically had the message of “Don’t be a shit person”; people are outraged.
lol, you could have said this at any point in the last 50 years and I would have believed you completely
Well you see, the movie’s message was “Don’t be a shit person, including to brown people”. You can probably tell what got conservatives so outraged.
Oh I can hear them now:
“Oh sure, and next you’ll be telling me to be nice to my dog and my kids, <slur>!”
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James Gunn said Superman is an immigrant, which he of course is.
But I guess some people thought he was born in the USA.
Once upon a time the slogan used to be “truth, justice, and the American way”. Guess which part people wanted to keep, which parts they wanted to throw out the window.
It used to be Truth, Justice, and Peace. That is until the US went into marketing mode and recruited all superheroes into ‘the American way’ for WW2 propaganda.
You prompted me to look up an article, and it’s an interesting history. Apparently, “the American way” didn’t actually appear in a comic until 1991. It’s almost exclusively a phrase for radio and television.
You should also look up the images… Nothing like Batman and Robin on the front lines while still telling kids to buy war bonds in the ads.
He wasn’t even the first to call him that so publicly. This is an official WB documentary which got released with Superman Returns in 2006. I forgot when exactly but I’m pretty sure the narrator called him that within the first, maybe 20 minutes or so.
Well yeah, he is an alien character from another planet written by two Jewish immigrants, and often deals with issues about fitting into his adopted society. This is not a new revelation, it’s a founding cornerstone of his character.
In the comics, for a while, they tried to pretend he was by retconning his origin to have his ship give birth to him. Happened in the '80s so you can probably guess why they did it.
It was very weird. Luckily he’s back to his normal origin now.
lol, like every Superman media ever? Superman is super, man. He’s always stood up for the little guy, the underdog, the (dare I say) immigrant.
Superman is literally a Christ figure. He’s basically a god, he loves humanity, and he constantly sacrifices himself to save us. Naturally, the religious right hates him.
Every superman media save for the Snyder films.
hopefully superman 2’s message is “immigrants are better than racists”
I wanna hear that in a condescending satire waltz opera
The bad guys have a military to gun down brown unmarked families to take over a neighboring country.
Zionists: and I took that personally.
If the US ever wants to become a normal country it will have to ban fox news and all like it
No, news organizations shouldn’t be allowed to lie to you, yet fox news literally sued (and won) for the ability to do just this
At this point, fox news is far enough that it should be labelled a terrorist organization and anyone working there should be arrested and jailed for life for trying to destroy US democracy
fox is too tame for the younger righties, its OAN AND NEWSMAX, plus listening to right wing grifters is thier preferred media now. fox is there to reinforce boomers, gen-xers and older milleneals.
They claimed they were just entertainment and no-one is stupid enough to believe them…
Yet they also claim to be a news channel. All they do is news, very onesidedly. I can’t understand why no one sued them into oblivion over this, it should have been easy.
Yet now we’re here
I’m a 6’3" man weighing 230lbs. I couldn’t hold back tears with that little kid (who obviously represented Palestine) holding the Superman flag in the face of tanks and an army.
Like, fuck me dude. I have been looking for some level of solidarity after 2 years of hearing a death count repeated every morning from Amy Goodman.
It’s just a film. It’s not going to change anything about our garbage world. But if anything it made me feel a little less alone when contrasting my time spent at protests with my time spent having to listen to idiot coworkers.
It’s chilling just how accurate that is.
If you showed that image to people in the 80s and 90s, I guess essentially pre-9/11 america, when I was young and taught america was called “the melting pot,” it would feel like a joke rather than a warning.
America has never been a melting pot. Every new group of immigrants to this country have been horribly abused and hate crimed. Not just brown people either.
Yeah we’re funny like that. The world’s richest nation which consists solely of immigrants and stolen resources, and everybody always wants to pull the ladder up behind them.
You aren’t wrong about the abuse, but that doesn’t make it any less a cultural melting pot for those who, you know, don’t partake in hate crime or are themselves immigrants. Believing such has been taken or never existed only assures that they will in fact take that from us, as we do not have something which to continue fending for.
Finally some good commentary.
yup often segregated from white areas, through GENTRIFICATION, usually the first steps and signs of gentrification is coffee shops. its not like segregation of missisipi blacks from whites.
Superman … who is a literal alien immigrant … is probably immigrant? Really!?! No wonder the Superman writers dumped using “Truth, Justice, and the American way”
I never wanted a black superman so bad to see some heads explode
You mean like the one that already exists in DC? Calvin Ellis
If they are going to bitch that much might as well make Superman gay
Isn’t that what the pink kryptonite does?
Make a movie about his son, who’s canonically bi
I thought his only “son” was his clone.
And if it’s a clone, that means Superman is also bi.
No, son-son. Have one with Lois.
There was this bs controversy about someone in a comic book not being straight:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/11/entertainment/superman-comes-out-bisexual-jon-kent-cec
And if it’s a clone, that means Superman is also bi
…because of comic book logic on cloning? Or is there some genetic factor underlying a person’s sexuality? I’m guessing the former, but if the latter is true, it’s the first I’ve heard of it, so I’m curious!
If it’s not genetic, is that not implying it’s a “choice”?
Let me start with a clear statement - homosexuality is clearly NOT a choice! I can see how you got that from what I said though, so I apologize for phrasing my comment poorly!
I always figured it was biologically driven without much in the way of genetic components. It seems like homosexuality would be pretty tricky to pass on if it was just linked to a few genes, yet from people’s experiences and examples in nature it’s pretty clearly biological. I’m curious about the mechanism in general, and from your phrasing, thought you might know something I hadn’t picked up yet.
Johnathan Kent (Clark & Lóis son) is gay and has a boyfriend, he had a comic run as Superman while Clark was off-world, so he was a gay Superman (now is back to Superboy or just Johnathan)
They already had meltdowns because his son has a boyfriend, and being fake fans they confused him for his son.
Lets Keep going,
Hopefully they’ll get an aneurism
they got mad he is an “illegal space alien”
But who will be his bottom?
Me?
Great catch
Looks like a headline from a fictional news segment in The Boys
That’s the one that conservatives thought the villain was the good guy, right? I’m not sure if that’s a thing that really happened or just a satire of conservatives famously poor media literacy.
In the show, the conservative population eats it up.
If conservatives IRL don’t get that The Boys is making fun of conservatives not understanding satire that’s a bonus.
they call it woke, and they lost thier minds with GEN V series. because the jordan characther gender bends.
They are it up IRL, too. Took them until like season 3 to actually realize they were the butt of the joke. The character names Stormfront (one of their right wing media companies) being a literal Nazi supersoldier didn’t tip them off
I’m not sure if that’s a thing that really happened
Yeah I think you’d be right to be suspicious. There’s at least as many people who pretend to think something dumb on the internet for the lulz, as there are people who actually believe it.
Trolling is a art form.
Hi! Nothing in your short post was offensive or stupid so I apologize for the wall of text I’m going to dump on you. And I’ll caveat what I’m about to say with “People find ways to be clever in all kinds of situations, so you’re even kind of right.” But…
I’m going to take a stand, on a very subjective topic, and say loudly; No, Trolling is not an art form. I hate this fucking take. Trolling takes all kinds of forms but its unifying element is to make other people ‘upset’. Sometimes mad. Sometimes sad. Sometimes confused. Sometimes depressed. You know what else does that? Existing at all in this fucking ghastly, unjust, terrible world. People start pissed off, and Trolls dog pile on and take credit. Trolling is art in the same way painting a freshly painted white wall in more white is fucking art- you accomplished fuck all.
Being kind is fucking art. More than art it’s fucking design, and craft and construction. Making someone happy. Hopeful. Joyous. Inspired. That takes fucking art. It takes hard work, sometimes sacrifice, and always intellect. And you have to do it in direct defiance of the whole fucking world.
You should probably know that ‘trolling is a art form’ is kind of a meme, because the statement itself has an obvious language error in it that people feel the need to correct.
thats where kripke gets his material, from trump/ and his administration, he was inspired by trump. Homelander is a fictional representation of trumps behaviour.
right wingers got thier panties in a wad over GEN V characthers.
As a non-American it just surprises me so much that Fox News can fool so many people, especially when “critical thinking” is touted as one of the things kids learn in school, as pictured in popular media like TV shows and movies. 🤷♂️ It’s just so obviously propaganda. You can tell by just the way they behave. You barely even have to listen to what they say. 😆 (But doing so surely makes it all the more crystal clear.)
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
What is that quote from? Sounds interesting.
If you’re not being facetious, then you should 100% read 1984 like… right now.
Followed up with Animal Farm, also by Orwell
Got’em! Not sure if these are good editions but we’ll see. They were like $2 each.
Animal Farm is the easier read out of the 2.
Enjoy.
I started 1984 last night. Very nice world building so far. Trying to pretend that the technology described so far is out of the ordinary and futuristic. 😅
Easier read, but kind of meaningless without knowing the context of the Soviet revolution since it’s just an allegory.
Worth reading, but I don’t consider it required in the same way I view 1984.
Thanks for the tip!
If you do read Animal Farm, you’re gonna want to read the wiki or something first, since the entire story is an allegory for the Soviet revolution in Russia using talking farm animals. So if you’re not familiar with that history, you’re probably going to be confused.
It’s a good book (and short) when you understand the context, but I wouldn’t recommend it to everyone the same way that I recommend 1984.
The former is looking backwards at historical events, while the latter looks forward, and describes (with disturbing accuracy) a potential authoritarian future.
Yeah I got the history and allegory part, thank you! 🙂👍
Not at all! I’ll check it out, thanks! Been eyeing it for a long time but I’m not really a book person. But maybe it could be an exception. 😁
It’s a very important book, and every adult should be required to read it.
I’m approaching 10% finished, including the foreword about Orwell’s life etc. I keep imagining what the film(s) will do to picture all of it in their own unique way. Will be fun to watch those later with the Mrs. 😊
Also from 1984:
“There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of the process of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed. But always— do not forget this, Winston— always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face— forever. ”
When I was in school we read Animal Farm, but instead of 1984 they had us read Brave New World. It seemed like a more accurate commentary at the time. Just everyone blissfully unaware and high on “soma” and trivial entertainment. Bread and circuses as it were. Crazy to see what a sudden turn to 1984 we’ve taken in just a few months.
We ended up with the worst bits of both.
Good one. Yeesh. 🥶
That last sentence in particular…that’s indeed what it feels like the foreseeable future is in the US.
1984 / Orwell
Yeah, conservatives found out long ago that the more education a person gets, the less likely they are to support conservative politicians. So they have literally sabotaged their own future by gutting education, and we’re now reaping the rewards.
It’s not just lack of good education either, they also found out long ago that misinformation is a powerful tool.
People nowadays have no idea how much support socialism had and was gaining in the first half of the 20th century. Then along came J. Edgar Hoover who used the violence of the state to label leftists as ‘subversives’ and infiltrated and destroy the movements from the inside, created the ‘Red Scare’ and the blacklists, and kicked off an anti-left propaganda campaign that Fox news is continuing to this very day. And to a lesser extent the mainstream media in general.
When I was a kid (I’m 51) none of us know what communism/socialism actually was, but one thing we all knew, it was very, very bad. People are just starting to wake up to the fact that socialism isn’t from the Devil actually, but I’ve seen a sickening amount of ‘leftist’ content creators confidently giving incorrect definitions to both just this month.
What we all have to realize that it’s now on US to do the educating. We have to tell our family, friends, children, and members of the community what those things actually mean and why they are good things. No one else is going to do it if we don’t.
Is it really fooling anyone if the people watching Fox News already follow that hateful ideology before they even turn on the TV. It’s just confirmation bias and Fox News is happy to provide it. They watch it to feel righteous and not to learn anything.
Where do they find these ideologies before they turn on the TV? Curious to know as an outsider.
Either way, if I believed something and my fellow peers within this belief spoke like this, I’d fucking start questioning my beliefs. 🤨
Depends. For lots of my Southern family, oldschool racist and Confederate roots are deep, and tied to church culture. And I’ve seen examples outside of that where things are ‘learned,’ like a macho, sexist, homophobe jerk kinda ex-friend who’s Dad was the same.
Also, talk radio was like this long before Fox got so extreme. Rush Limbaugh was huge, people like him were a staple across the rural US and can still be heard if you tune in.
In the richer eschelons (like in my private school), libertarian-mindedness is more common, and extreme social conservatism bleeds in from there, as counterintuitive as that seems.
In other words, the Fox environment has been cooking for decades (if not a centuries), and I agree: they’re catering to (and stoking) the market that’s already there.
Interesting, thanks for sharing your insights!
Where did you go to school? I went to school in Texas and critical thinking was not taught. I routinely got in trouble just for asking questions.
I went to school in Sweden, where I live. “Critical thinking” was not taught as a subject per se, but I get the feeling the curriculum somehow managed to put in our heads regardless. Or maybe it’s only my own circle of peers, I suppose I don’t know for sure.
Fits right in with The Boys
At this rate then boys will end up like the onion, cannot parody something that’s already crazier than parody
I wish it actually had been super woke since it’s getting so much flak for literally just being Superman.
Fantastic movie though.
At this point anything that doesn’t literally praise
HitlerTrump is considered woke, so Superman was super woke.I have the opposite opinion. I think it was woke in some pretty bold ways, but I just found it kinda boring. I like what they did with Superman, I like the baravia stuff, I like the whiny bitch boy Luther (most of the characters really), I think they did some neat things visually
It’s very comic-like, but to the point I struggle to feel anything. I thought it was ok, it had good moments, but it was very hard to suspend my disbelief. I don’t understand the rules of the world, at every moment Superman was infinitely strong but also constantly on the verge of death… They did the overpowered protagonist trope really badly IMO
But I did like the messaging. It’s very woke, and entirely unapologetic about it. I really liked how they showed it through story in a very heavy handed manner, but never did a preachy monologue… The message was not subtle at all, but it didn’t come off as condescending at any point
I think it was very bold and based, but as a movie… Meh
Really was a great movie. Telling who thought it was political, and who hated it.
They all know that Trump would deport superman ya? He literally is an illegal alien.
He can try. Superman isn’t a fan of Nazis.
Really shows how the US truly is a backwards country.
An alien form outer fucking space being called an immigrant is apparently bad in the minds of brainwashed crazy people and the ghouls brainwashing then.
