❌ the system is broken
✔️ the system is working as intended
abolish the senate
The AP article says the democrats “forced” a shutdown over the issue
Subtle but that’s how we know all media is fascist
Please tell me again how these fucks the FUCKS YOU elected “represent us”… y’all need to stop watching the billionaire owned media and understand how fucked up this shit is and do better use your critical thinking skills (if you have ANY) which are lacking right now and it’s savage that y’all don’t even know it!!!
“Obama’s policies aren’t gonna kill us.” It’s 100% Trump because he’s willing to put America citizens at risk of his billionaire friends!!
I am done being a millennial trying to work my ass off while I am dealing with crisis after crisis after national crisis after crisis after crisis, we can only do so much in own generation and y’all keep blaming us for this shit! It’s savage!!!
Stop telling us healthcare cannot be a thing where we are paying billions for wars that we don’t even believe in!!!
People with terminal illnesses and wounds are not bound by any law of this world. They are completely free to do anything their hearts desire with no regard to the consequences.
So what happens now? Do those Democrat senators provide their own swords to fall on, or do they get beheaded? What’s the protocol here for senators who have failed as entirely as they have?
Violence generally doesn’t get what you want out of the system.
History largely proves otherwise…
Very recent history shows Republican senators are almost entirely to blame.
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You can cause change but its very difficult to know what change will be when it happens.
Yeah, that was 200 years ago. We have better ways to handle things now.
no, we really don’t. 200 years is nothing on the scale of humanity. We have Nazi’s resurging, the south trying to rise again. We have peaceful protests trying to be outlawed and the administration regularly calling for the death of their opponents.
None of this will change without the thread of violence, and likely they’ll call on that.
The violent coup in DC a few years ago was just them telling us they were ready to be violent.
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Diplomacy, conflict resolution, etc. Not really motivated to fight against the tide of lemmy people sipping koolaid. But if you step outside the echo chamber, it’s mostly common sense.
Kinda funny how you’re talking about an echo chamber when you yourself are just repeating the mainstream media talking points about diplomacy. There is a reason why they promote peaceful solutions, it’s because they’re easier to ignore or quash.
How is wanting to avoid civil war “mainstream”? I mean sure, go and promote revolution from the comfort of your climate controlled box with modern amenities, detached from the horrors of war. The feds have tanks.
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Right, that’s why I brought up the seppuku first.
That’s still a violent thing to wish on people.
The capability for violence should peaceful means fail does
Violence generally doesn’t get what you want out of the system.
Changes made during peace only last until someone willing to be violent undoes them.
Changes must come with a small amount of fear of retribution on reversal, or capitalism/authoritarianism will come and eat your lunch.
Source?
The American Revolution, the violent uprising that gave these assholes governmental power, proves otherwise.
Though the ideas espoused for the revolution might be grand, the cause and motivation behind those who joined the revolution was purely monetary.
- Rich didn’t like being taxed so they made their slaves join the army.
- George Washington didn’t like the fact that the British having lost the French Indian war made a pact with the Indians which stopped his business of prospecting.
The American revolution was a war of businessmen against the government in England. The government was and is the same; in the past only rich, land owning white men could vote or form government. Now it is the corporations or rich white men.
Wasn’t saying they were good or bad. Just that revolution is violent and it works
I say this as an American. Half the “Founding Fathers” were slave owners and did not see a problem with subgrating other humans into forced labor. The American enterprise has been a business all the way back to the first white man setting foot on this continent. I guess I just proved you talking point.
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They’ll shamelessly fuck us over on cost of living, then turn around and whine like a bunch of little crybabies about declining fertility rates.
Hello dystopia my old friend
Chuck Schumer is a piece of shit
The leader of the minority party is a piece of shit for…not convincing enough members of the majority maga party to vote against party lines ?
If someone from the right had said this, you would think they’re irrational cultists just trying to support their cult. I used to think the left is the way to go, but after coming here, not so much.
To these people, he’s a piece of shit no matter what. They’ve decided that “establishment” Democrats are even more of an enemy than Republicans. No matter what Schumer does, they will always criticize him for it.
Yeah apparently so. -7 downvotes (and counting) for me trying to figure out why they’re blaming the minority leader for this…I am so confused.
I’m not sure if this is maga on lemmy trying to make the dems look bad, or if it’s russian trolls pretending to be dem supporters sick of the establishment or something else but whatever it is, putin has definitely got what he paid for.
The way a lot of people act on here, I hope you’re right. Because it gives a VERY bad impression of the left. It feels much more “MAGA” than I’d like.
You’re right though, if I were a Russian troll, the “stupid liberal” would be the character I’d choose.
Schumer didn’t cave.
He literally gave the republicans what they wanted in exchange for a vote that would make zero material difference in the lives of his constituents.
What the fuck are you talking about? NO HE DID NOT. He was NOT one of the Democrats who voted to end the shut down.
You know being progressive isn’t an excuse to be downright dishonest, right?
OK, if he didn’t approve of their votes, what has he done to punish the democrats who did? Nothing at all? Weird.
please, there are two options here, neither is good for Schumer. Either, he’s ineffectual party leader (whether by not knowing or not having control)… OR he orchestrated it to maintain “plausible” deniability.
I strongly suspect we have a significant number of Dino sleepers in Congress. Either outright sleepers or close enough to simply be purchasable or blackmailable.
I strongly suggest you’re an idiot that chooses to believe things without proof because it “feels right”. The EXACT same logic as Trumpers.
Well look at that, a wild block appeared
So you want a “party leader” to literally control all other politicians in their party? That’s representative democracy to you? What “control” is he supposed to have?
What a stupid fucking argument. He doesn’t have a goddamn mind control device and Senators are individuals that make their own decisions.
Just admit the truth. You criticize Schumer BY DEFAULT no matter what he does. That’s what this boils down to. He did exactly what you said you wanted him to do and now you’re moving the goalposts. You are literally incapable of admitting that he did something you agree with.
Yeah what a coincidence that all the representatives that broke the shutdown weren’t up for re-election next time. Very convenient! I’m sure there was zero coordination to decide who would break rank.
But even if there wasn’t any of that, Chuck still bears responsibility for the failure of the shutdown even if you don’t want to admit it.
Chuck led the shutdown. For better or for worse, it failed to accomplish its goal. Ultimately more responsibility falls on him as minority leader than anyone else. It’s not insane to want someone who coordinates a major gambit like a government shutdown to be capable of keeping the other representatives from breaking rank to accomplish the goal of the shutdown. Coordinating votes is literally a huge part of the job as majority or minority leader. It’s disingenuous to say expecting a party leader in the house to line up votes is contrary to representative democracy.
Just admit the truth, you’ll suck Chuck off no matter what he does. You’re literally incapable of not sucking his dick
And there it is. The promised ‘vote on subsidies in december’ that the 6 dems cancelled the shutdown for. We all new what the outcome would be.
I feel for all those whose insurance premium is about to become unaffordable
Anyone who was surprised by this needs to retire from having political opinions of any kind, to say nothing of such people who actually hold any political power.
The former should develop humility and realize they are idiots.
The latter should be maimed, defrauded of their wealth, and then forced to endure their own system.
I feel for all those whose insurance premium is about to become unaffordable
Idk. I’ve been told a bunch of them are Republicans and therefore they deserve to suffer.
Hoping this is sarcasm mocking this kind of take.
Everyone deserves healthcare. This is like the “I’m calling ICE on my neighbors that I know have undocumented family members because one of them voted for Trump”. It’s just treating politics as a team sport for entertainment; and not actually caring about it because you want positive change for the world you live in.
This is like the “I’m calling ICE on my neighbors that I know have undocumented family members because one of them voted for Trump”.
I’m sure liberal has done this IRL. The desire to punish brown people for voting incorrectly is strongly bipartisan.
Pretty sure that’s just a dishonest attempt to DARVO the people who acknowledge that republican voters don’t care about anything until it harms them directly.
Not just Republicans. Most voters are fixated on local and personal issues. National politicians typically have a free rein on foreign policy thanks to the significant disconnect between international affairs and voter household issues. To add to the problem, Presidents can’t be recalled. Judges serve for life. Senators hold office on six-year stretches. The only people who really face the wrath of a disgruntled populace on a regular basis are House Reps (and gerrymandering blunts that knife most election cycles).
If you really get under the hood of the GOP and ask what makes them tick, one thing that sticks out is the degree to which the fossil fuel industry’s presence in a district/state influences the number of Republican voters. Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania are great textbook examples, with rises and falls in the profitability of petroleum products neatly tracking their success at electing conservative leaders.
One question you might want to ask, as a liberal who claims to love universal programs like health care and education and housing and public transportation, is why your own state leaders suck at it so much. California’s the 7th largest economy in the world. And they’ve got broad control over their Medicaid dollars, same as any other state. Why aren’t they doing Public Options or State Run Hospitals like their peers in Canada and the UK?
FFS, blood red Kentucky has a more leftwing health care system than anything in bright blue Washington State or New Jersey.
‘blood red’ Kentucky has one of the highest dependencies in federal programs in the country.
also, Mitch is just an awful “human”.
‘blood red’ Kentucky has one of the highest dependencies in federal programs in the country.
It’s home to a large military base and two of the nation’s twelve federal prisons.
Besides, if we’re being critically all-inclusive in the beneficiary of federal programs, the two biggest winners have been Silicon Valley, California and Lower Manhattan, NYC, with bright-blue
LangleyArlington, Virginia and Boeing HQ / Secondary Financial Capital Chicago, IL running close behind. The $22B Kentucky’s economy sees pales behind our Pentagon spending, our international shipping, and our multi-trillion dollar trade in US Treasuries.also, Mitch is just an awful “human”.
Like so many other powerful Senators, McConnell’s real power flows through his wife’s billionaire family. Her family ties to the lucrative Taiwanese shipping magnet, the Foremost Group, has made her husband’s support for US operations in the South Pacific pivotal to both their family fortune and American geopolitical dominance.
McConnell is actually a military transplant from Alabama, with family tied into the Redstone Arsenal and its attendant social circle. He’s been a political chameleon for most of his adult life, slipping seamlessly between Democrat and Republican circles through the Clinton and Bush Eras. He dumped his lefty-liberal activist Sherrill Redmon the same year Ronald Reagan won the presidency, then matched with his current anti-communist beau through Ambassador to Nepal under Bush 41, Julia Chang Bloch.
So much of Mitch’s position and policy have been directed by this political marriage. It’s got virtually nothing to do with the political character of Kentucky voters.
California has MediCal. It’s a weird system, but it works better than KY. I know I moved here from KY in 2016.
As someone who used to work at a pharmacy, Medi-Cal works because it’s allocated as part of the state budget along with Medicaid and they actually pay on time (with minimal 3rd party middlemen). Given the shit going on with Medicare Advantage now, that’s about the best you can hope for public coverage :)
If they brought it about then yes, they do.
Did they bring it about? I seem to recall “Entitlement Reform” as bipartisan issue.
FFS, look at the Michael Bloomberg campaign. And he’s practically running the national party at this point.
Did they bring it about?
Did they vote for the clowns running this circus?
I seem to recall “Entitlement Reform” as bipartisan issue.
Always laughable to hear republicans call for ‘entitlement reform’, because the reform is always ‘fuck you, you don’t get this anymore’. Or they sell the service to a private company who gets to wring you for every cent, then tell you ‘fuck you, pre-existing condition, go die’.
Did they vote for the clowns running this circus?
Giving every die hard Ted Cruz supporter a free pass
Did they bring it about?
Yes, clearly. They put these people in power. They happily voted for a guy who had a health care policy that amounted to “concepts of a plan” for like a decade now.
The people who didn’t vote for Republicans don’t deserve it. The children and dependents of Republicans don’t deserve it. The adult voting Republicans do deserve it. They did it to themselves, I have zero guilt nor sympathy for them specifically.
I seem to recall “Entitlement Reform” as bipartisan issue.
I don’t. I can’t think of a single time from last election season where this was agreed upon as a bipartisan issue. Also, health insurance has never been lumped in with this. Your argument that both parties wanted to end ACA subsidies is absolutely asinine and totally divorced from reality. More lazy “both sides” nonsense usually originating from people who want to feel superior to everybody while also not having to do any work.
FFS, look at the Michael Bloomberg campaign. And he’s practically running the national party at this point.
What Bloomberg campaign?
They happily voted for a guy who had a health care policy that amounted to “concepts of a plan” for like a decade now.
They were the same guys voting for Romney in 2012, the man whose health plan was good enough for Obama to crib wholesale.
I can’t think of a single time from last election season where this was agreed upon as a bipartisan issue.
Joe Biden Has Advocated Cutting Social Security for 40 Years
What Bloomberg campaign?
He’s the thirteenth most prolific campaign financier in 2024
They were the same guys voting for Romney in 2012, the man whose health plan was good enough for Obama to crib wholesale.
Yeah, and then you fucking dumbasses started calling it “communism” and yelling about “death panels”. Did you forget? If you’re proud of that achievement, why did you reject it entirely four years later?
You’re seriously trying to act like we stole what you think was a good idea after the way you acted? You’ve got to be fucking kidding me. Are you seriously trying to pretend that Republicans support nationwide universal healthcare? No one can be that stupid.
I don’t understand what you think you’re supporting with the Biden link. Your assertion was Republicans somehow didn’t bring about the situation they currently face. Did you forget, you fucking dumbass?
You seriously just some random thing that in no one supports your argument. You’re to pretend you never made that argument to begin with. I don’t even know what to say, how the fuck does that dispute the text you put it under?
You said that he “runs the party” and your link his 13th? How fucking stupid can you be? How is being 13th give him unilateral control over the party?
Stop making ridiculous you can’t even remotely support, it’s just fucking sad.
you fucking dumbasses started calling it “communism”
Oh sure. That was half the joke of 2009. Insurance lobbyists going on TV and predicting America would become Venezuela for getting subsidized private coverage.
And Democrats were happy to play along. Lieberman filibustered the Public Option from within his own party because the TV news made the bill so unpopular
So every person in the US deserves no health care and to die penniless, regardless of how they voted? That is what you are basically saying.
Imagine if the government was still shut down and we still didn’t have these subsidies.
I would approve. The government shutdown was serving my interests.
Some people rely on SNAP.
And if it never comes back, they will need to find alternative means of acquiring food. Maybe their state decides to go “fuck it” and replaces SNAP outright despite what the feds say. Or maybe there’s a grassroots movement that creates a new SNAP.
The important thing is, the longer the shutdown goes on, the less people will depend on the Trump regime to satisfy their needs.
Don’t see a lot of libertarian arguments around here.
Four upvotes on Lemmy for a right-wing “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” political position. Incredible.
I think the thing that people like you don’t realize is that government shutdowns almost never lead to legislation changes. It is basically just a political gesture that is meant to move public opinion only.
Dems maintained positive public opinion for a while, but it wasn’t going to last forever. Republicans were not going to cave on the issue, and after the longest shutdown in history, it’s possible their internal polling showed public opinion was starting to sour.
Your opinion (and a lot of others in this community) is to keep the government shut down forever and magically that’ll lead to all your legislations getting passed and nobody will be harmed by this shutdown and only republicans are viewed negatively. It’s a great fantasy, but in the real world, you don’t get everything, especially when you are not in control.
What I see here is the Republican Party voted to get rid of these subsidies, and you guys just want to blame Democrats because they didn’t want to shoot themselves in the foot on top of being smothered by the party in power.
Oh, I am fully aware that legislation changes are impossible even under the threat of a continued shutdown. What I’m interested in is usurpation of Congress by the states. Illinois governs a lot better than the feds do, and I very much desire Illinois, California, and other agreeable Democratic states to ignore the directives of the three federal branches and recognize a new three that they all favor.
I am aware of the Logan Act, and I don’t care. The new three branches will serve the people far better than the old ones. Hell, I would like Illinois to deal with Canada directly so the US’ allies know which states are friendly and which are not. This is also the only way to overthrow the current SCOTUS in our lifetimes.
Sounds like you’re looking for civil war basically.
Sound like all my Republican friends.
So your friends are Republicans and you think the Dems did the right thing backing down on healthcare subsidies? Sounds like you are your Republican friends bud
It serves my interests so we should do that. That’s some Republican ass mentality.
Yeah, totally republican ass mentality to want to keep subsidies for people instead of caving on a vote that will totes happen. You ever think ‘their interests’ is having healthcare subsidies? Or do you assume the worst unless someone breaks out the crayons?
Fucking copium, my dude. My family has snap benefits and medicaid, and it would have been in my best long term interests for the government to stay shut down until the republicans caved and let the democrats help people. It was going to be a hard couple of months, but I was hoping my reps would have the stones to fight for their constituents, instead of rolling over (as is tradition) and letting the republicans have another win and take more from the people who have the least.
But hey, good thing they thought of the best interests of the economy and wall street. They’re the real ones hurt during these shutdowns. 🙄
It’s a Republican ass mentality to say it serves me me me. If the user had said it was for the greater good because of subsidies and Trump and what not, I wouldn’t have left the comment I did. But they said it serves me me me and they don’t care about any of the people genuinely affected by the government shutdown.
The opinion is not republican, but the behavior is 100% republican.
Edit: It’s also worth noting my original comment that started all this.
Imagine if the government was still shut down and we still didn’t have these subsidies.
So the user’s reply to that comment was to say he didn’t care about the subsidies or shutdown cause it benefited them.
You’re either lost or misinterpreted the comment, or don’t understand what the shutdown was about.
Nah, my Republican friends are selfish and would say something like “it serves my best interest” so we should keep doing that.
You’re turned around here bro, we all wanted the shutdown to continue so we could continue to have affordable healthcare, we wanted it for everyone, the wording above is throwing you because it’s one person saying that the shutdown was something that could have benefitted them, but it’s not a matter of selfishness, it’s literally a broad, life-saving program. (The ACA tax subsidies.)
If you were against the shuttdown… well it must be nice to afford premium healthcare or be on someone else’s policy.
You’re turned around here bro, we all wanted
You must be turned around cause that’s not the words the user wrote. If it was, I wouldn’t have written my comment.
I don’t. It’s going to hurt the red states more. Even in the areas that aren’t red, more people went so far to the left they chose to support Trump or sit out the vote which helped secure his house and senate wins.
People are finally waking up to realize that elections have consequences and the latest elections are showing it.
Until it hurts someone you do like. My dude, that is the exact republican mentality we need to overcome eh?
Eh, at this point I’d be happy just to see a lot more graves with a red baseball cap hanging off them and an epitaph inscribed saying “I didn’t vote for this”.
They had, what, almost a decade to read the writing on the wall? Maybe two if you want to go all the way back to Bush (or four for Reagan)? I used to try to link resources for education when discussing with these people, explain the consequences of our own and others’ actions, and where have we ended up now anyway?
Fuck 'em. The more of them that die, the less problems my generation and my family and friends have to worry about in the future, and hey, maybe I can nab a cheap house at their bankruptcy auction.
MAGA ignorance is the result of the oligarchs war on the working class via destroying public education among a litany of other things.
Nothing about magas dying will prevent the cycle repeating.
Then the clear solution is that there should have been grassroot organizations that took charge and emphasized the importance of an educated citizenry…
Oh wait, there were. The response was that they banned books and criminalized areas of study (Critical Race Theory) that would give the citizenry the ability to reflect on history and their abuses. All of this occurred within the last 13 years, by the way.
Brain drain has already taken effect from those who took the emigration route out of their state to a place that valued them. If those of sound mind need to escape but are unable to afford, let I be the first one to donate to their plane or train ticket. As for the rest of the state, let it fail. Let it self destruct. Allow the Kansas Experiment to repeat until nothing is left but the hollow shells of buildings.
Exactly. These people are probably producing lots and lots of mini-mes. Cons may rebrand out of being “maga” into something else, just like they tried to make “tea party” a thing, but it is the same old shit in a different box - the oligarchs will whip up division - the old favorite is of course along racial lines, but lately, there has been a big helping of anti-trans rhetoric, and also a huge addition of inter-generational conflict, and I see lots of the so-called “left” buying into that, and… holy shit is that stupid. But I digress. Anyway, the oligarchs whip up this division, get a lot of idiots voting for Republicans so they can “hurt the right people” or lots of tankie type morons sitting out or lodging protest votes for the unelectable because “gerontocracy” or whatever the fuck, and then, of course, get lots of policies that funnel more money and power upwards…
People keep thinking the younger generations will save us and I want to believe it, but just don’t see the evidence. If anything, I see them getting sucked into a vortex of red-pill bullshit on the various platforms at very impressionable ages and with very little life experience or wisdom to counter it. At least when boomers or gen-xers or older Gen Y were/are getting exposed to things like this as well as Faux, they had experience prior to encountering it…
I definitely think many have even less media literacy and less critical thinking skills than prior generations, since conservatives have been doing everything possible to chip away at anything like that in public schools. Texas Republicans even had opposition to critical thinking in their platform…
As a Gen Z who has gone to great lengths to ensure I have the education needed to engage with these issues honestly, and who is surrounded by colleagues of a similar level of understanding in my state (California), I heavily dispute your statement.
That’s great, but that’s anecdotal. Please show me how education has improved in the areas of critical thinking and media literacy in the aggregate. I’d love to be wrong about this.
Its OK to dispute it, but you understand that you’re basically describing a filter bubble, right? You’re well educated and surround yourself with well educated people, but that’s not something that will describe the average person. Its a bit naive to assume that because you understand these topics and surround yourself with others of your ilk, your peers are doing the same.
Millennials had plenty of people who were well educated and could engage openly and honestly about hard topics. But they’re outnumbered by those that choose not to think too deeply. Just like Gen X, Boomers, etc. And unfortunately, without any evidence of the contrary, its a safe assumption that your generation will run along the same lines. I really hope I’m wrong. But as they say, hope in one hand…
Fuckin A brother. I grew up on the hopium of making changes and leave the world a better place but giant swathes of people would rather see it all burn just so they can show the other side they were right.
Me n mine are doing what we can to survive whatever the hell happens and just be happy in our little slice of heaven as independent as we can be.
When one side is hellbent on criminalizing your existence, why would you give a shit about trying to appease the other side and shake their hand lol.
But hey, if you got a place where people accept each other and are willing to work together for a better future, good for you. I’m just hoping I don’t get dragged away from my family, and to outlive those who try.
When one side is hellbent on criminalizing your existence
The bipartisan war on drugs is decades old.
You sound exactly like them eh.
You sound exactly like the type that would rather attack people than look for common ground or understanding. Peace.
well then if it’s hurting the right people
If they don’t understand why, then their suffering will just embolden their anti Democrat beleifs though.
put this on top of the fact that the trump admin also announced they were forcing large amounts of student loan borrowers in missouri (misery) off the save plan
healthcare should be free
My employer provided insurance didn’t go up much this year, I can’t wait for it to go up 40% next year.
This is all so dumb. We need socialized healthcare. If we did that and took all of the unnecessary grift/overhead and put it into research, we would probably be even better off.
Yay, Senate Dems caved for absolutely fucking nothing!
Time to start framing it to the idiots that the cost increase is from “kickin all the illegals off of insurance” that they were never on.
If ya wanna get real racist with it, talk about how they grew up fighting mosquitos to get a drink of sewage water so they come to america and never get sick and just pay into the system.
Hey everyone, just buy TWO pencils for your kids. Having 37 pencils was obviously keeping you from being able to afford health care. THANKS, OBAMA!
Also, if you are not a billionaire or at least a centimillioniare, it is your fault! Too much avocado toast, having a daily latte, a large screen TV, a smart phone, and Netflix, I think.
