Attorney General Pam Bondi was so furious with six federal prosecutors who announced they would resign rather than prosecute the widow of a Minnesota woman killed by an ICE agent that she fired them before they had a chance to give their notice.
“They wanted the taxpayers to pay for them to go on vacation because they decided they didn’t want to support law enforcement,” she said. “So, the breaking news tonight? I fired them all! They are FIRED from the office.”
Not a major point, but when an employee wants to resign they are saying that they want their PTO paid out, as they are entitled to under law or contract. That’s what those former employees were saying. Bondi is saying she fired them, but she will still have to pay out that PTO all the same.
Daily reminder that ICE is a manufactured distraction from the Epstein Files.
Correct me if I am wrong here: Are there women in ICE? All I have seen are men who look like they are divorced and not paying their child support.
Krusty Gnome heads ICE.
A quick search brings up stats from 10 years ago, and at that time about 7% were women.
No idea what the number is now, but I’ve seen recent information (news reports, vlogs, etc.) mentioning, and showing women in ICE uniforms.
I believe there are women in ICE, which isn’t surprising, but not very many.
Just yesterday, we had the story of a female journalist who claims she was admitted to ICE with no vetting. So, they at least allow women to enter.
I’ve seen posts with woman in ICE, but it’s few and far between.
I’ve seen photos with feminine appearing stature / eyes doing on the street enforcement, I would assume them to be in the extreme minority in that context.
There’s also back-end desk work where physical characteristics aren’t really going to matter.
Back to hell with that demon bitch. If she had any damn sense of justice in her brimstone soul, she’d keep her hateful maw shut
Lock her up!
There is no statute of limitations on murder, Johnathan Ross. This one is around your neck for life.
He’ll be pardoned by Trump. All of ICE probably will be.
*Supremacy clause https://youtube.com/shorts/Lk6tOvIu4qw this does not look good
Only works for federal crimes
Is murder a state or federal crime there? Genuinely don’t know as a non usian.
It depends on a lot of factors. Sometimes it is federal, sometimes state, very rarely both (Luigi Mangione being a recent high profile case where he was charged with both)
In this case state charges are probably the most appropriate since it happened in Minnesota and didn’t involve crossing state lines
State crime under most circumstances. Federal murder generally requires that it happen somewhere directly administered by the federal government or that the victim be a member of the federal government, and that last one is still only sometimes.
Border patrol agents have no jurisdiction over US citizens. They didn’t have the authority to stop her and try to remove her from her car in the first place so, what they were doing was unlawful from the start. That should disqualify him from using the supremacy clause, before we even get into debate on whether lethal force was justified or not.
Border patrol has jurisdiction within 200 miles of the border or any point of entry including airports and ports. So if they’re operating within 200 miles of the Minneapolis airport, they do have the legal authority to detain citizens. It’s BS, but that fact has stood up in courts for a long time.
ICE isn’t border patrol.
As for whether this was part of their duties, that’s the question and oh boy this is going to be messy in the courts.
Ah, I thought he was border patrol, but he’s ICE, and you’re right. ICE also doesn’t have jurisdiction over US citizens though. I think it’s pretty clear that there was no probable cause to believe she, or her wife, were potentially illegal immigrants, were aiding illegal immigrants, or were impeding the agent’s investigation in any way, given that she was initially trying to wave them to go around her.
If/When we have a functioning DOJ again, Ross is going to prison.
I posted this elsewhere and got a lot of flack, but I’m pretty certain that there was nothing illegal with Ross stopping to see what was going on as that would have been a consensual encounter.
It’s when the 2nd ICE vehicle arrived 30 seconds later that shit went sideways and became a detainment, illegal and murder.
Had he pulled her over that would be another story as the pull over constitutes a detainment, but she was already sitting there. At the start he also didn’t order her to do anything or prevent her from leaving, and didn’t turn on his police lights while stopping, which likely makes the whole thing a voluntary consensual encounter.
Petty much any law enforcement officer can approach/talk to anyone as long as its voluntary and no detainment/search/seizure happens.
Edit: Just as an example, Ross could have seen the vehicle stopped in the road, and decided to see if she needed any assistance. He could have approached the vehicle, and said something like, “Hello ma’am, is everything okay? Do you need any assistance moving your vehicle off the roadway?” If she refused and said no, assuming there is no case for impeding/obstructing, the correct answer would then be, “Okay, I’ll have to call this into the local PD, but you’re free to go. I can’t guarantee what will happen once they arrive though”
This is assuming we ever had a functioning DOJ.
Presidential pardons only work for Federal crimes. It also does not protect the murderer from a civil suit (see OJ Simpson).
The state of Minnesota can wait until there is a more friendly administration before bringing charges, since there is not statute of limitations on murder. Also, the supremacy clause does not protect murderer Johnathan Ross from civil litigation.
You attached that TikTok-like video without properly reading the comment you were responding to.
EDIT:
Let’s address @[email protected] 's edit below. He is not wrong, but he is being overly defeatist and thus ignoring several key points.
- Administrations do matter. As we have seen with Trump and his failed prosecution, administrations get to install federal judges and it is up to the federal judge whether or not this becomes a federal case.
- A presidential pardon carries an admission of guilt, which is part of your permanent criminal record, which definitely affects your ability to find employment, travel, etc.
- Civil suits can be a terrible fate and should not be dismissed as Someguy3 is doing. A severe judgment against you can be an insurmountable and lifelong financial burdern. Even if as a convicted, yet pardoned murderer you happen to find a job, the civil suit will garner your wages. Own a house? Not anymore. People like OJ and Alex Jones have/had the means to avoid a lot of this, but murderer Johnathan Ross? Not likely without a very rich benefactor, in which case Mrs Good’s widow and children would be set for life while murderer Ross would still carry that albatross around his neck for life. Ideal? No, but things rarely are.
The state of Minnesota can wait until there is a more friendly administration
People need to stop saying “wait until after the election”.
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that’s over 2 years from now with a murderer free to kill more people.
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this adminstration is going to do everything they can to make sure there isn’t a “next administration.”
You missed the entire point of the thread.
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There were two parts to this. First is criminal and second is civil, you even used the word “also” to separate them.
Criminal: Again, Trump can preemtively pardon him and all of ICE. And the supremacy clause will be in play determined by the court. That’s the whole point.
*I guess I’ll try again in more detail. There are two parts to criminal. 1) state criminal charges. This is where Supremacy clause comes in. This is determined by a judge, not by the administration. Administration does not matter. 2) federal criminal charges. Trump will likely preemptively pardon him. So future DOJ (appointed by future administration) will not be able to federally charge him. Administration does not matter.
Civil: I don’t think civil charges are what anyone wants here. If you are satisfied with possible civil charges, you are missing the entire big picture. Like seriously you think possible civil charges is going to fix ICE shooting people in the face? JFC. I didn’t respond to it because you and everyone else should want criminal charges. Ciao.
Again, PEDOnald cannot pardon state charges. Minnesota can still charge Ross with murder even if he gets a presidential pardon. Supremacy clause doesn’t prevent states from using their own charges just because the feds refused to charge him with anything
The point @[email protected] was making is that the federal government can pull any state charges to a federal agent into federal court. If the federal judge finds that the federal agent was not acting in their capacity as a federal agent when the crime was committed, then the state prosecution can continue. That’s a tough obstacle to overcome under the current administration.
My point is that murder has no statute of limitations and Minnesota can wait to file charges until a non-fascist administration is in power. That could be in four years or in twenty. Again, no statute of limitations.
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pardons don’t work for state crimes
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As a Minnesotan, I’ve had a lot of conversations with friends, family, and neighbors lately about what is going on
Most are pissed about ICE being here, and how they’re acting. Some, however, are 100% MAGA, and happy ICE is here
There is one thing everyone seems to agree on though: ICE being in Minnesota is political retaliation
We’re a state with ~2% of the population of the US. We have less than 2% of the immigrants due to our location and climate. Yet 20-30% of ICE agents are now here
If you’re not MAGA, you’re an immigrant.
Ohh, that explains why ICE is sitting a block from my house looking like this then. The balaclava really sells the “normal law enforcement” look
They should have just not said anything dragged their feet while at work while slowly eating up annual/sick leave to really slow everything down. Now there are 4 vacancies that could have been tied up for the better part of a year.
Page 3 in the sabotage manual.
Bingo. Drag your feet, use up time. File shitty motions you know won’t work to tie up the courts. Sabotage is hard work, but slowing the gears of the Orphan Crushing Machine is important and actually pretty easy to do when it’s the federal government.
This has to be the hundredth time I’m saying this. But no. What you are wishing for the prosecutor’s to do, is not only illegal, but highly unethical. We’re talking disbarred levels of unethical.
The right course of action is what they were doing. Resign. Make headlines. Bring attention. And if the government want to shoot themselves in the foot and fire you without cause because you wished to resign. Well, I’m sure they’re wiping their tears with their separation pay package.
Win win.
It’s better strategically but you need to have the strength to do so. Sometimes people are overwhelmed by something and just need to get out of the situation and I think that is OK too. Everyone should do what they are capable off, but it should be fine to just stop doing wrong stuff.
Exactly. It’s easy to tell people what they should be doing, from the outside.
A government derives its authority from the consent of the governed. The governed offer their consent as part of a social contract. The government’s role in that contract is to represent the will of the governed by enforcing the laws passed by our representatives.
The reason it’s easy for us to expect them to remain and enforce the law, is because that’s what they promised us in exchange for following their laws and paying their taxes.
Are you somehow not understanding that the people who wanted her to remain are saying she should have done so to commit sabotage? How is that enforcing laws?
Sabotaging illegal orders is enforcing the law.
A government derives its authority from the consent of the governed.
And the DoJ no longer had the consent of their prosecutors in Minnesota, so they walked, as was their right.
Walking out en masse and taking their combined years of experience with them was the right thing to do. Now the regime that already has a serious problem retaining legal talent has to go find some more talentless hacks to fill these empty positions, lol.
There’s a reason Pam Bondi’s truly pissed by this, and it’s not all superficial.
Ok thx
Public servants have an obligation to the general public that overrides all other priorities. If you’re not prepared to use your powers to resist fascism, or even corruption, on behalf of the public you serve, you shouldn’t pursue a career in public service.
We consent to following their rules in exchange for them representing our will; that is the social contract between a government and her governed people.
Or you find that you can’t and quit.
You write as though you have no idea whatsoever how this works in reality.
Go read up on Alina Habba and Lindsey Halligan. Great legs, mediocre attorneys, illegal appointments, and they’ve lost more for the regime than they ever even began to win.
Hell, I’ll make it easy for you and give you a TL;DR: because the previous Virginia AG refused to prosecute revenge charges for Trump against his political enemies and walked out, and was replaced by Lindsey Halligan, the resulting questionable legal moves and political drama meant that in the end charges against James Comey and Letitia James have been dropped altogether. Similar situation with Alina Habba, who is now no longer New Jersey AG.
Walking out and taking your expertise with you, forcing the regime to find people to replace you, is already working very well on the ground to fuck up the regime’s revenge prosecutions.
Public servants are not the government. They have an obligation to do what the government tells them to do.
ice is technically a public servant… stupid treasonous mother fuckers
I agree with “don’t quit, impede” philosophy, but a very public show of support against these fascist actions is not something to dismiss.
We also dont know the situation that led up to them resigning and getting fired. They very well could have been trying to drag their feet but were already under immense pressure to file charges immediately. No amount of feet dragging can help if the Nazis are literally hovering over you as you fill out the paperwork.
If this is the same situation I read earlier, senior attorneys have quit because 1.) the government won’t investigate Good’s murder and 2.) The government wants to investigate Good’s wife instead.
“Oh, yeah, you see how they checked this box here? That means we also need a DD-2319 form signed in triplicate here. That’ll need to be approved by two levels of management, so we’ll need to form a committee to assess its suitability before raising it for a vote during our Change Control Board meeting, which only occurs monthly. Sorry about that. Don’t worry, I’ll get it fast-tracked for you.”
You do realize they likely don’t care about doing things the right way, as they’ll just have Trump approve any bypass, whether legal or not.
even moronic lawyers betting on trump over the constitution have to know there’s no way that bloated sack of animated cholesterol is going to make it to 2028, and then where are they? working for couchfucker?
Weren’t these the people earlier this week who supposedly resigned, of which people were complaining about. Now it comes out they were actually fired before they even could…
Maybe people should realize there might have been more going on that we aren’t privy to.
All this ‘not good enough’ thinking does is breed toxicity and in-fighting. Both of which are not good when trying to form a solidarity.
Weren’t these the people earlier this week who supposedly resigned, of which people were complaining about. Now it comes out they were actually fired before they even could…
The prosecutors announced their intent to resign, and would have done so after using up their allocated PTO. A fairly standard practice in professional environments. Pam Bondi fired them in retaliation for announcing their intent to resign
She claimed it was because they wanted a tax payer funded vacation, but anyone who understands the basics of unemployment, especially in Minnesota, can tell you she just gave them even more tax payer money (if they want it). Not only will they be entitled to their PTO, but they are now also entitled to unemployment
Edit: Fixed typo
You typo’d and it changes the meaning of your last sentence to effectively be the opposite of what you said lol. Just wanted to point out for anyone else reading who may get confused.
“they are now also”
Fixed, thanks!
They aren’t going to be able to fill these because fed attorney jobs pay dick and there is zero prestige to these postings now.
Well, maybe true for qualified people, the job title is no longer prestigious.
But for the scum of the earth? That job title legitimizes them, by comparison.
I think I know which type will be the ones applying…
Right, but the defining characteristic of those people is that they are also bad at their jobs. Look at what happened to their prosecutions of former prosecutors that charged Trump. The guys that left were undoubtedly CONSIDERABLY better at their jobs than whoever will replace them.
That’s fair, and I’ll take any silver lining at this point.
Some people just don’t want to eat shit for a living.
not everyone seeks “lowering the bar” transgressions for feels
these people want to change the world not troll their boss
Dumb of her. You have more protections when fired than if you just quit. It’s almost always in your best interest to have a shitty boss fire you and have those protections than leave voluntarily and have almost none.
What? They want to prosecute the widow? What for? Fucking monsters.
Can they sue for wrongful termination or something?
The need to dehumanize the victim because even some Republicans are upset that they are shooting white ladies.
Yeah but they’ll let it slide because she was LGBTQ… /s
This, but not sarcastic.
“After a brief investigation over mimosas and a cheese platter, we have found credible evidence that Good was a member of the Alphabet Mafia. The agent was justified in his use of lethal force against a dangerous criminal. No charges will be filed.”
It’s true but it’s getting close to where they are beginning to feel uncomfortable about it. Not quite unhappy yet but they’re getting there.
I’m sure I read some suggestion of charging her with felony murder; as in she committed a felony (anyone’s guess what that would even be) and as a result her wife got shot, which somehow makes it her fault.
Almost certainly the felony murder rule. This is a first-year law school concept that they are twisting and perverting - par for the course for this administration - but it basically means that a group committing a felony are all liable for any murders that happen during the course of that felony.
The idea of using it on an innocent murder victim’s wife to feed into an already ludicrous narrative that the victim was the perpetrator is outright evil. It’s not surprising that these people resigned, because if you have morals, you will feel your skin crawl at the very idea of doing that.
An utterly moronic law in the first place. I remember reading a case where a cop responding to a bank robbery negligently discharged his firarm, killing a colleague, and the robbers got charged with that murder instead of the cop.
Imagine being able to kill a coworker you don’t like and someone else goes to jail for it. I’m not saying the cop who pulled the trigger did it on purpose, but this is literally precedent if you wanted to.
It is asinine, but the person convicted of felony murder doesn’t take the place of the actual murderer, it is in addition to. The felony murder has no impact whatsoever on a person more directly responsible for the death.
Since ICE was there in the first place and shouldn’t have been, shouldn’t we charge them with the murder?
I mean if we’re playing cutesy baby games with the rules, those motherfuckers shouldn’t be operating armed terror squads on US soil and they have no jurisdiction over US citizens, so any assault they make on a US citizen is 100% a felony so I think we should charge Kristi Noem and Pam Bondi right away
Oh, I think that’s what all reasonable people agree on. ICE, and at least Jonathan Ross, the murderer, should be charged. But qualified immunity is the reason why this guy and ICE more generally hasn’t already been charged.
Edit: I misspoke, see TipRing’s explanation below.
Qualified Immunity is a protection against civil suits. Committing crimes never falls under its protections. The current issue is that the Federal Government can use the Supremacy Clause to pull any criminal proceeding into Federal Court by making the argument that Ross was executing his duties as a federal agent, if successful the co-opted DoJ can just spike the case or Trump can pardon the crime.
The state has to prove to the court that apprehending a US Citizen is not within ICE’s jurisdiction so the Supremacy Clause should not apply, this is a largely untested situation so we can probably guess how our current Supreme Court will rule on this.
I stand corrected, thank you.
As I understand it, by law there should be an investigation into any time an ICE officer fires a gun.
Naturally, the Trump DOJ has refused to even investigate any instance.
I guess they should have used that one on tramp’s many crimes…but instead they need RICO?
It’s always different for them. For some reason. Somehow.
It’s Wilhoit’s Law:
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition … There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
That doesn’t mean they’re not accountable for their actions.
Im preaching to the choir, I know.
Technically it does, since the law not binding them would mean total impunity but yeah, we’re agreed that it SHOULD bind them 🤷
Morals aside, I’m not sure on a practical level what felony they would be able to even try and argue the wife was committing here.
Attempted murder of a federal agent.
The exact same completely bullshit story that they lead out with.
Also felony murder is a bullshit law exclusively used by power tripping assholes. John Oliver did a story on it and how there was a guy who let his roommate borrow his car for a night, his roommate committed armed robbery, and the guy who unknowingly lent his car out went to prison for life.
Wait so by that logic every motherfucker with Ross should be charged with murder
Who is that?
Damn hes got a great hairline
A reporter that asked trump some easy, direct questions during his first term and got substained crazy back. His expressions have been memed.
HBO reporter that interviewed Trump a few years back
Be warned, it’s extremely painful to watch: https://youtu.be/NmrEfQG6pIg
She was:
Murdered!
Damn Pam. Ok,you broke up with them. Not the other way around. We got it.
Somebody literally needs to remind this lady to stop and take a breath before she passes out mid rant.
Or maybe we get lucky and she has a stroke.
I’m not surprised that Hannity finds it “almost impossible to comprehend” that someone would resign to uphold their principles.
Both of these talking heads are puppets with the hands of the same puppeteer up their asses.
FOX news needs to be destroyed. Preferably with everyone still inside.
I had the chance to give the staff diarrhea but I felt bad for people like the camera operator or whatever… I worked for a company involved with Dairy Queen and Carvel ice cream and at the start of the “ice cream season” fox does a morning show with them as a advertisement. I was so close to putting exlax in the mix but I decided against it… I still kick myself for not doing it but it wouldn’t have reached assholes like Hannity anyway.
I so want to see her on the stand at some point. Under oath, and not in an environment controlled by conservatives, either.
You can’t quit! I fired you first! LOL
