I’d like to thank everyone for my most upvoted post on lemmy ever. Not only have you upvoted it to the top for like 2 days you commented the shit out of it. I’d like to take this opportunity to say fuck the mods of this instance. This was my second post coming off a 30 day ban and I want to say these fucking mods have been nothing but bitches. I’ve never been more attacked on any other instance, subreddit, forum, etc. then I have been in this fucking instance. Not only have I been attacked I’ve been told my memes arent memey enough again and again.
I’ll be honest, I do not know how to make a meme but I keep posting just to piss in these mods cheerios.
Thanks lemmy.world/politicalmemes for being the worst community I’ve ever been a part of.
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What a joke
Because half of Americans have no idea what’s going on, a quarter of them support the coup, and out of the remaining quarter, 99% are burnt out wage slaves that are just one missed shift away from losing everything. We literally can’t do anything because we are minority; just rats trapped in a maze.
Look, cards on the table, shit IS scary. We’ve got an intelligence apparatus that has every message every one of us has ever sent electronically, and probably microphone data from every Internet connected device we’ve ever been in earshot of, so organizing something a little more potent has to happen nearly spontaneously. You’re dreaming if you think our operatives (or cops for that matter) are above just throwing a bag over your head, breaking your legs and throwing you down a mineshaft. Those intelligence agencies, for most of a century, have been spearheaded by the kind of people that sponsored violent right wing reactionary movements around the world to depose peaceful communist/leftist regimes you’ve maybe never heard of. They’d gladly take this over someone even as far left as Sanders.
Half the country still thinks that everything happening is perfectly cool and normal and totally how a republic works. A lot of the people in power still aren’t convinced that Trump won’t wake up one day and just be normal; they come to each new day of horrors completely shocked and surprised that he continued to be what he said he would, and to suggest that we should maybe do something about that is scandalous to them. Those two things together mean that the meaningful support is not great. Being a lone gunman is unlikely to change much, given that MAGA is a movement, and others around Trump- the people who hand him the EOs, and the billionaires who sponsor them- will remain. Being an armed resistance is effectively a death sentence, and nobody’s quite ready to sign up for that, at least until it’s absolutely clear that the alternative to fighting is just as bad. If I go rogue and catch a bullet, nobody’s going to take care of my family, they’re going to be homeless until RFK sends them off to a camp. Plus, as others have mentioned, it’s pretty goddamn difficult to organize mass protests in DC when everyone who feels like you do is living dollar store hot dog to dollar store hot dog and DC is further from you than Moscow is from London.
For as long as I’ve been alive, the consistent message to the American people has been that help is not coming. The cops will gladly form a task force to come shoot your grandma in her living room, but routinely have argued that they have no duty to protect you. When the BLM protests were happening, a bunch of my coworkers cheered and giggled at videos of cops doing drive by pepper spraying of people who were just walking, and derided that dude (I think it was in Seattle?) who returned fire when the cops shot at him first. When the great recession happened, our government spent a trillion dollars bailing out banks instead of people. If you need assistance, you’re ruthlessly scrutinized and continuously presumed to be a criminal or a parasite, only to be given not nearly enough at the end of it. Not only that, but we’ve even been attacking the helpers. We’ve spent decades eroding the ability to join a union, eroding the efficacy of unions, fighting and propagandizing against them at every turn (it doesn’t help that I’ve had my fair share of experience with worthless unions where the rep wouldn’t even return your calls. I know more people who’ve had experience with weak ass unions than people who’ve had experience with unions that are prepared to bury your boss under a sports stadium). We’re shutting down churches that house the homeless, arresting people who try to feed them, and our authorities have the goddamn audacity to frame that and bulldozing encampments as acts of “compassion” because to not make the homeless miserable is to enable them. Every one fundamentally understands that help is not coming, we must help ourselves, and this is a really, really, really big job for an individual.
So, yeah, I’d say I’m pretty goddamn scared and I feel rational to be so.
The only thing that makes real sense, imo, is to start laying the groundwork for cold balkanization. It will break the federal government’s power, finally allow needed social, legal, and economic changes, and hopefully can be achieved without much bloodshed.
Americans are already revolting.
Bro isnt this why you have a second amendment?
We gotta wait for the people with all the guns to feel the pinch.
Guns and ammo are available in pretty much every city in America, just throwing it out there.
You would be suprised. This topic has crossed my circles, every firearms introduction and saftey class within 30 miles is sold out till april. Unless you have a friend who is willing teach you the basics and how to use them safely, you just got to wait in line.
But if Americans revolt, they’ll miss the next season of the great British bake off. They can’t risk it.
The ones passionate about guns are the same uneducated ones sucking on the propaganda tit. They’re just starting to get inklings that it might have been a bad idea, unfortunately most of them will stick their fingers in their ears and say it’ll all be just fine.
IMO 70:30 we won’t revolt, the silent majority doesn’t like it, but just accepts the Nazi overtake.
Yes it is. But unless YOU personally are willing to risk death, then it means little. The magas seem reasonably content at the moment. And progressives aren’t willing to give up the comforts of life either. Nor are they actually interested in getting their hands dirty by running for any office either. They mostly prefer to whinge on line rather than do much beyond complaints and yard signs.
If and when people are homeless and starving and believe they have no other alternative, then they might pick up a gun. But that point in time isn’t here yet.
If and when people are homeless and starving and believe they have no other alternative, then they might pick up a gun. But that point in time isn’t here yet.
Of course; as we all know, the starving and homeless are the most revolutionary element of society.
they quite literally are my guy, when you have no food, no home, no family, and no life worth living, you will do whatever you see fit.
Historically, yes they are. They are the ones with nothing left to lose except their lives. And are more likely to revolt. Anyone with a couch and xbox isn’t nearly the threat to those in power. I believe that’s called ‘Bread and Circuses’
Historically, yes they are.
Historically, they fucking aren’t. Revolutionary action doesn’t come from the starving and homeless. Most revolutions are driven by the comfortable middle class. The working class is often in support, but the working class is generally neither starving nor homeless when they lend their support, because starving and homeless people are generally worried about things other than the overall political situation.
They are the ones with nothing left to lose except their lives.
They’re also the ones whose primary thoughts of gain are centered around immediate, not long-term or abstract, needs. Desperation drives one to desperate acts - with desperate goals. A starving man doesn’t overthrow a government, a starving man steals bread.
And are more likely to revolt.
When? When has this been true? How many incidents of mass starvation have seen the quiet acquiescence of the population?
Anyone with a couch and xbox isn’t nearly the threat to those in power.
What.
What kind of inane bullshit is this.
Is this the left-equivalent of “Modern ‘poor’ are so rich they even have refrigerators”?
I believe that’s called ‘Bread and Circuses’
Bread and circuses were used to keep the middle and upper-working-class of the city of Rome from protesting the loss of their political power. Not to keep the starving or homeless satisfied; nor did such measures include the slaves of the city, who generally had much lower living standards than the established working families who attended the assemblies of Rome. It also didn’t keep the middle and upper-working-class of the city from violence and revolt against the establishment.
Is anyone into Xbox/Netflix/Amazon boycott for 2 years? Walmart? Target? I know there are a few who trulyhave no choice, his many who do are willing to go through the inconvenience? How many are doing shadow work to deal with triggers, distress tolerance/self soothing work? That’s what it’s going to be, before revo.
Been boycotting a few of those since their inception and the others for 15 + years. I talk with people about how bad walmart,target , Amazon are for our area and local business when they opine about the “good old days” and they say " wow, yeah your right , wow . But I can order a charger for my cell phone and have it at my door tomorrow".
Most people are just receivers for advertising at this point. It’s scary
Great job! Keep talking to people! These corps got rich with our meager contributions, they can get poor without them!
My Amazon boycott has been going legit since October, when Bezos quashed the WaPo endorsement. Won’t pretend that I don’t miss some of the convenience, and I sure as shit wasn’t a lucrative customer padding their profit margins, but a man has to have some standards.
Same reason why I gave up Pepsi shortly after the outbreak of the Russo-Ukrainian War. I don’t expect corpos to have a conscience, but I sure as shit still ain’t gonna back the worst of the offenders.
Great job! Keep talking to people! These corps got rich with our meager contributions, they can get poor without them!
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Desperation drives one to desperate acts - with desperate goals. A starving man doesn’t overthrow a government, a starving man steals bread.
Yes, and a million starving men will kill the people keeping all the bread so they can eat. The Russian revolution, for example, was directly caused by the lack of food in Russian cities, and the revolutions of 1848-1849 were in part caused by the hungry forties.
Yes, and a million starving men will kill the people keeping all the bread so they can eat.
Brilliant, I suppose that’s why famines are so often accompanied by redistribution of wealth, once the rich have been killed so the poor can eat. Inequality plummets after famines, what with all of those dead elites. /s
The Russian revolution, for example, was directly caused by the lack of food in Russian cities,
The actual conditions of food availability had been considerably worse without murmur of revolution, numerous times before. And quite a few times after, for that matter. Much of the initial unrest was because of the prospect of rationing was the final irritant in a weak government’s loss of popularity, not because people were starving. Furthermore, the strata most likely to experience anything resembling actual starvation was the peasantry, which was largely indifferent to the prospect of revolution, and would end up as a primary support base for the counterrevolutionaries in the years to come.
and the revolutions of 1848-1849 were in part caused by the hungry forties.
Insofar as they caused economic distress by increasing food prices. Insofar as actual starvation is concerned, no. There’s a reason why the Communist Manifesto, itself written during the Revolutions of 48, mentions the lack of revolutionary potential of the peasantry, who would’ve been the most food insecure of the classes.
Brilliant, I suppose that’s why famines are so often accompanied by redistribution of wealth, once the rich have been killed so the poor can eat. Inequality plummets after famines, what with all of those dead elites. /s
Here’s Wikipedia on the Irish potato famine:
The period of the potato blight in Ireland from 1845 to 1851 was full of political confrontation.[84] A more radical Young Ireland group seceded from the Repeal movement in July 1846, and attempted an armed rebellion in 1848. It was unsuccessful.
Peasant uprisings almost always (or just always???) end in failure, but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
Furthermore, the strata most likely to experience anything resembling actual starvation was the peasantry, which was largely indifferent to the prospect of revolution, and would end up as a primary support base for the counterrevolutionaries in the years to come.
What? No. The Russian peasantry was having the time of their lives during WWI (well, the ones not conscripted into the war anyway). It’s a long story, but because of inflation, strained supply chains and government failures meant that while the food was there, it just wasn’t getting to the cities. Also do note that the Russian peasantry, while not as revolutionary as the urban proletariat, were absolutely not indifferent to the prospect of revolution. These were the people breaking into, ransacking and burning down their local nobles’ manors. They were also electing these guys.
Insofar as they caused economic distress by increasing food prices. Insofar as actual starvation is concerned, no.
Those are literally the same thing. Economic distress is just an expression of the human desire not to starve.
There’s a reason why the Communist Manifesto, itself written during the Revolutions of 48, mentions the lack of revolutionary potential of the peasantry, who would’ve been the most food insecure of the classes.
I don’t see why peasants would be any more affected by lack of food than the urban proletariat, but that could be just my ignorance. Also Marx’s reasons for making that conclusion were based on peasants’ relationship with private property and religion, and not about how they’re somehow more at leace with rhe prospect of starving to death.
And progressives aren’t willing to give up the comforts of life either.
they’re too busy yapping on lemmy about how some shit fuck stuff happened and now the sky is falling to actually do anything about it.
Yes. But the Dems decided that was bad and convinced most of their demographic to disarm themselves.
So now 90% of the guns are in the hands of the fascists.
Let’s be real, the issue is that a lot of people agree with what Trump does.
a lot of people
agreeagreed …Seems what they bought is not what they got.
bought is not what they got.
Yeah, that paint is just starting to crack now.
The problem is that they’re getting most of what they want and starting to get some things they don’t want. They’re not going to act until the ratio of want to don’t want is more like 40:60, many of them are of the mindset that as long as everyone is suffering, justice is being served.
Yes. And they’re the ones with the guns.
It’s very impressive how everything you do or don’t do is Dems fault. You would think with this amount of shadow leverage over the public they are actually in control, eh?
Yeah it aint the fault of the dems on the disarmament bullshit, its the fault of the fucking suburban yuppies. I will burn it all.
Aight spiteful Redneck statement out of my system. There are worse yuppies now anyways like the ones out in Palm Springs ugh.
Statistics don’t support that notion especially considering the typical demographics of the fastest growing groups of new gun owners being dominanted by POC. Its just that violence without coordination and organization will be called terrorism and they may just kill you on the spot for that regardless. See Willem Von Spronsen and Luigi Mangione.
yeah, there have been SIGNIFICANT increases in gun ownership and training among minorities lately, especially those who are queer/trans.
i think the majority of most democrats would be in favor of self defense weapons being legal to own.
We’re mostly against complete idiots having access to dangerous weapons.
So which is it? You can’t have guns and not have them be accessible to people at the same time.
Whether a gun is good or bad depends on timing and perspective. All else being equal, a gun at home is way more likely to kill a member of the household than an assailant. But things aren’t always equal.
I live alone, and don’t have kids over. I ain’t killing myself, and I have decades of experience in firearm safety. So the odds of someone in my household getting hurt by my guns are very low. At the same time, I do live in an area with 40+ minute police response time, so if there is a violent situation, I’m on my own. Guns increase my safety.
But someone with no training, small kids in the house, and in a safe area isn’t in the same situation, and firearms make them less-safe.
it’s both? You live in the same world i do right? Like we both have the same level of intelligence and critical thinking right? You can let people own guns legally, as weapons of self defense, while also preventing people who are a danger to society and other people, from owning them as well. We’re clearly struggling with the second part, and the republican gun movement isn’t doing much to improve that look either.
Whether a gun is good or bad depends on timing and perspective.
literally no? Whether or not a gun is good depends solely on whether or not it positively influenced your outcome in life. Murdering someone is obviously bad, and is going to have a bad outcome for you, using it to protect yourself against someone in a situation where you may have been killed, is obviously a good thing for you.
Timing and perspective is just what LEADS to these situations, but doesn’t actually denote any significant quality.
a gun at home is way more likely to kill a member of the household than an assailant.
due to domestic violence? I’m guessing responsible gun owners aren’t just randomly shooting their family members and pets randomly. Unless you’re referring to some sort of like, schizophrenic safety metric where if your house is on a native indian burial site you’re 3x more likely to get cancer and fucking die. In which case, that’s due to an individuals inherent incompatibility with life, not due to any fault of the gun or the gun owner. (unless they were negligent)
I live alone, and don’t have kids over. I ain’t killing myself, and I have decades of experience in firearm safety. So the odds of someone in my household getting hurt by my guns are very low.
exactly, the best kind of person to own a gun. Whether or not you have a family doesn’t significantly change that statistic, unless you don’t responsibly store them, or educate your family on them, or i guess you randomly decided to kill everyone in your house one day.
But someone with no training, small kids in the house, and in a safe area isn’t in the same situation, and firearms make them less-safe.
not necessarily, but that is a significantly increased risk for that gun owner. It’s like arguing that owning a power tool is dangerous to your entire family, and neighbors, simply because someone could get hurt by it. Which IS true, it’s just not a real statistic that people actually view.
The thing is, we can’t control for who is bad most of the time. People get murdered with guns every day, and it’s all by people who passed background checks or who acquired them by buying them on a secondary market.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/50501
they are protesting literally Nationwide in front of every Capital in every state.
Okay I’ll be blunt here: This is nothing and if this is Americans’ idea of resisting then y’all are never going to beat fascism. Historians will look at this period and say there was very little popular resistance to Trump’s regime.
I want you to understand what it is you’re talking about when you say things like this:
You are asking for what it’s the equivalent of all of Europe revolting against leadership that never leaves Prague.
America is really fucking big. I live in Seattle. I have been protesting. But my state officials are already more or less on my side
For me to protest in a way that actually causes a problem for the people in power I would need to drive no less than 41 hours if I didn’t sleep. Realistically it’s 3-4 days each way. Or hundreds of dollars in airfare or train tickets.
And of course I’d be fired for missing work.
I’m pissed as any American but what the fuck am I supposed to do? Asking America to revolt isn’t like asking England or France or Belgium. Our leaders are in a proverbial ivory tower and we’ve been stripped of any ability to effect change through anything but a national strike, which has not been successfully organized, largely due to the scale required.
We have 341m people on 10M km² of land. Compare that to somewhere like Germany with 84m people on 357k km²
It’s a much easier proposition getting 10% of Germans to their capital than getting 10% of Americans to ours
You should coordinate strikes countrywide and don’t stop striking until conditions are met. Like the writers of Hollywood did. They reached their goals.
Everyone who needs to strike is living paycheck to paycheck. Nobody wants to become homeless in order to strike. And our media and networking are largely controlled by compromised assets.
I’ve been in and out of politics as a personal interest since the early 2000a. We’re in a really bad situation right now.
Without a central voice to organize and lead people we’re not going to be able to coordinate enough people across the country
Union dues fund a strike fund that is used to pay workers while they strike, that’s why unions are so important to be able to strike.
Unions also call for strikes as a centralized authority, which the US populace completely lacks. When France had those huge labor strikes a few years ago it was all called for by 5 or 6 unions.
I tell everyone I know to sign a strike card at https://generalstrikeus.com/ but that platform is fully decentralized. Right now it takes several days for another 10K signatures, and the critical mass we’re trying to achieve is 11 million. Yes, it’s the best option I’ve found, and YES that rate will increase exponentially the more people who get involved, but is it efficient and timely? No, but it’s the best we’ve got rn because the power of labor unions has been purposefully dismantled over decades.
Which is great except for all the people not in unions, and that most heavily unionized trade jobs in the US are somehow populated with people who both stand to lose a lot from Trump’s policies and who are among his staunchest supporters.
One huge example:
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/18/teamsters-favor-trump-harris-endorsement-00179879
A lot of those unions are politically agnostic to partisan slant because they’re trying to navigate the current political climate, where they’re basically unilaterally hated and unprotected, but also a lot of big unions exist functionally as an extension of the HR department of these companies because of how popular support for them has been drained, membership has dwindled, labor power has dwindled amongst their lower members because of increased automation, and because they’ve just straight up slowly been dismantled over time and legally gimped.
Hopefully more workers in other industries and areas that traditionally aren’t unionized take the risk to unionize, perhaps with the IWW’s help.
They can’t just let all paycheck to paycheck people die. And you can try looking after yourself, since the government seems not to care anyway
Don’t sell your crops to megacorp but give it to fellow strikers for free, for example
Don’t code for fascists, but create tools to organise yourself in a save manner
Health care workers, don’t sell the medicines and your work, steal all medicines possible and give them to fellow strikers
Don’t clean any public properties
Use your skills for the good, not the evil
They can’t just let all paycheck to paycheck people die.
Real question here - why not? If the powers that be are facing the potential of unrest in the face of their tyranny, why wouldn’t they let the protesters starve? Does this not only preemptively eliminate potential opposition? Do you think they simply care out of some hidden shred of dignity of something?
I think all of you black & white accelerationists are either ignorant or deceitful about the reality of the stakes in play here. I’m not saying revolution shouldn’t happen, won’t happen, can’t happen, or any of that, but I’m tired of listening to people acting like this choice is as casual as picking what sandwich to have and not the very real acceptance of potentially fatal or otherwise devastating consequences. Necessary action or not, that’s not the kind of thing to treat so cavalier.
First of all, you have chosen to read it as “black and white”, that generally does not exist, everything is a spectrum.
Secondly, the economy of America does not work without workers and rich don’t get richer anymore, which they seemingly don’t like
And yea maybe the way I wrote is making it look too easy, I see that, but I don’t plan the revolution, that is the job of the American people
I think we are having same or similar opinions, I just did manage to write it as good as I wanted. 🙊
They CAN let all paycheck to paycheck people die and will happily do it.
Why do you think they’re cutting medicaid and social security?
This country is fucked and the people who SHOULD be leading the resistance, the democrats, would rather whine helplessly because they are down 1-2 seats in congress.
They would not earn any money if they can’t profit on the back of Workers, without getting to be workers themselves.
Don’t sell your crops to megacorp but give it to fellow strikers for free, for example
Wait until you hear who owns most of our farms.
Crops don’t yield without workers… Plants don’t care who own them. What are they gonna do?
The people who grow the crops are still hoping Trump works out. Because whatever he’s doing is better than respecting pronouns.
With multiple tariffs looming, farmers who support Trump grow nervous
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/02/21/trump-tariffs-farmers-trade-war-iowa/
You can start to grow crops yourself, if you don’t go to work.
Americans are struggling because of a lack of socialism, basically. They can’t do this and keep the hyper individualistic and selfish society they have now. Anyone reading this, look up libertarian socialism. Socialism can co-exist with capitalism and does so successfully in many countries. Make it happen in your state and who knows, you too could have the safety net needed to assert your democratic rights in a crisis.
Agree!
Sign a strike card! https://generalstrikeus.com/
Your state officials are already on your side, but your senators and representatives are likely following the DNC’s ineffectual leadership and—among other things—confirming Trump’s nominations for office. If so that’s what you should be protesting. Make sure your state officials are also resisting Trump policies that affect the state (like California should have been doing when Trump started messing with their water reservoirs).
Our leaders are in a proverbial ivory tower and we’ve been stripped of any ability to effect change through anything but a national strike, which has not been successfully organized, largely due to the scale required.
Then organize one. Unionize, and if already unionized have your union leaders cooperate with other unions to prepare so when the time comes they can quickly organize a general strike.
It’s pathetic.
Europeans learning OpSec for the first time is the only redeeming part of 2025.
Amusingly enough, there’s more. Because of Trump’s ineptitude at negotiation Mexico got him to police gun flow from America to them, and it seems his sheer presence will spare Canada of a conservative majority in the next election.
Ride the wave. Have Denmark allow Greenland to enter a COFA with the US for a steep fee. The US already has that level of access.
Let Macron negotiate for the transfer of US bases and hardware at a discount as they leave. Use that to power Ukraine.
I don’t see why authoritarians are the only ones allowed to benefit from our hard fumble.
It’s still cold yet. Just wait til summer.
protests are not “nothing”, protests are the reason Americans and citizens of other countries enjoy the civil rights they have.
protests are a primary mover of political policy.
Lol. No they are not.
The primary movers of political policy are money or violence.
Public opinion is a part of it. Showing up supports others. It might not be what you want but it’s something visible
“No they are not.”
are you sure? it sounds like you’re going to agree with me in your next sentence.
“The primary movers of political policy are money or violence.”
organized protests like labor strikes (those influence “money”) change policies.
Glad you agree, I figured you’d get the eventually.
2 people and a horse chanting in front of some government building doesn’t change shit. That’s what the 50501 protests are.
Boycotts and strikes would be effective, those are not happening on a large enough scale.
“2 people and a horse chanting in front of some government building doesn’t change shit.”
phew, good thing that isn’t what’s happening.
it sounds like you’re completely ignorant of the protests?
“That’s what the 50501 protests are.”
ah, you are completely ignorant with these protests.
4,000 people gathered in front of Denver’s capital alone.
you are embarrassingly uninformed.
“Boycotts and strikes would be effective, those are not happening on a large enough scale.”
again, you are embarrassingly uninformed.
Why are you even making things up that are so obviously wrong?
like, just type any of those words into a search engine and you can see how wrong you are.
I promise that learning is not as scary as you think it is.
4,000 people gathered in front of Denver’s capital alone.
You make it seem like that’s a low or average number of protesters in each state, but it seems there are 100 to 200 protestors in most states and not many people even calling for boycotts to Google, Apple, or other companies which showed their full support to Trump’s dumb ideas, gave him launch money, and sucked him off.
Tesla and X have been getting a little more hate than usual, but not enough hate for it to actually matter for a president.
Nope, it’s threat of violence behind every liberally acceptable method that motivates governments.
That’s naive but completely supports my argument anyway, so thanks.
Except it doesn’t.
You can enact change with no protest and use of force.
You cannot enact change with protest and no force.
Remove protest and refocus elsewhere.
Martin Luther King Jr disagrees with you, and has proved you wrong.
Gandhi disagrees with you, and has proved you wrong.
women as a gender, disagree and has proved you wrong.
they’ve all proved you wrong in the past, and they’re all going to prove you wrong again.
you are nervous, and that’s your right, but you are also wrong.
Wait, you think MLK Jr talked America into making change and not the Black Panthers, Malcom X, or “Ghetto Riots”.
And you think it was Gandhi and not nearly a century of armed resistance?
These people represent the most palatable for the status quo. It’s propaganda to teach your citizens that waiting nicely and asking is the solution to not having basic human rights.
Unfortunately, data does say otherwise. For the last half-century in the US, political decisions have almost exclusively been the will of the ultra-wealthy, with following the desires of the populace being generally coincidental, statistically speaking.
what a wealth of data you haven’t provided to support this claim.
It has been studied and published numerous times over the last decades. A good reference that I’ve been aware of, nearly since it was published is this one from Martin Gilens, a professor from Princeton University’s Politics Department. The study was published in 2004 and utilized data from between 1981 and 2002.
https://www.princeton.edu/~mgilens/idr.pdf
To be clear, I am not advocating violence, nor trying to convince anyone of futility. I think it’s all the more reason to call accelerationists out on their bullshit magical thinking that helped put us in this place and push for more engagement on political structures, supposing elections continue. If more than a tiny segment of the Left participated in primaries, instead of performative behavior and offering up vulnerable populations as blood sacrifices, we’d have universal healthcare several decades ago and actual consequences for genocide.
it would be difficult for you to be more wrong here.
“I think it’s all the more reason to call accelerationists out on their bullshit magical thinking…”
too bad you are doing the opposite of that.
those puppet-master elites you are complaining about have convinced you that asking protesters to calm down and stop fighting back Is the way to make change. it is the exact opposite.
" Don’t protest, nobody cares!"
obviously incorrect as mentioned in the uncountable examples above that have resulted in your civil rights.
" Don’t file a lawsuit, it won’t have any effect."
women’s healthcare is still accessible because of these lawsuits, the government is literally still running because of these lawsuits, Trump is now a felon and half a billion dollars poorer, Bannon and others in the Fake electric scheme went to jail.
“Americans are too litigious”
corporate safety overall Is primarily a result of civil lawsuits against harmful corporate practices.
“college kids are too sensitive”
college students are basically the front line against police brutality and the genocide in Palestine.
you are turned around, capitulating to the wrong paradigm, you are thinking how those controlling you want you to think despite the historical and factual contrary evidence that fighting back does make a change.
protests and protesters change policy.
you can support them or you can detract from their efforts, yowling at your shutteed window that change isn’t possible.
you think you are being “practical”, but you’re parroting the absorbed, objectively false strictures of your ruling class and screaming mindlessly at the people fighting for and preserving your rights.
Real, mass protests can and do move national policy as you said. However, 50501 isn’t that. Look up the civil rights movement or the late 19th early 20th century labor movement for what you need to do to make politicians listen to you. You want millions of people (ideally 3.5%+ of the population) protesting for extended periods of time (the 1 part of 50501 is on its own a deal breaker) if you want any hope of getting anything done. Compare this to 50501 and tell me the latter isn’t simply not enough.
because I brought up one example out of many going on at the same time, the frightened among you insist that you have to have a particular percentage point or protests just won’t work.
but that simply isn’t true according to all of the protests that have worked in the past.
protests have worked, they are working, and they will continue to work.
Give me an example.
we’re literally already talking about an example.
be more specific if you need help.
It’s easy to judge from the sidelines. We were suffering well before this guy was sworn in… Most of us are just trying to survive right now. We’re eating into our savings and retirements, and/or getting second/third jobs, and/or paying off medical bills. We’re just trying to get by and support our loved ones and friends after massive spikes in our cost of living, our housing costs, and out of control inflation.
You’re welcome to come raise some hell outside the capital if you can afford that trip, though. No need to wait for others and scoff - you do it. Be the change you want to see. And if you think it’s too expensive and far… Welcome to the same boat most of us are in here in America.
This is why people need to band together. Yeah, its a kind of socialism. Here we have protests in the capital city and organisations run subsidised transport so you can get there very cheap or even free if you can’t afford anything. We’re suffering too, support each other.
You’re welcome to come raise some hell outside the capital if you can afford that trip, though.
People don’t talk about it, but this is what jan 6th was. Not for a good cause, obviously, but basically everyone that was participating in that was either psychotic enough to willingly throw away their entire life based on a single ineffective and uncoordinated mass mob capital occupation on a single day, or they were small business owners who were able to afford to fly across the country first class and take several days off of work, and probably most of them were both of those things. A lot of these guys are getting arrested immediately after being pardoned because the prison system sucks and does not set you up for success, obviously, even for those wealthy people. There’s not an escape from the state, even for them, their lives will be irrevocably altered and made worse by their participation in a single ineffective day of high profile movement.
Obviously you could action a good amount of political change onto people by simply making them think they have nothing left to lose, as we see with that, but again, mass, uncoordinated movements are broadly ineffective. More organized and militant action is what you really only get when people start to collectively understand that the people around them, the things they actually do have left, are under immediate threat, and they need to do something to stop that. Maybe even more than that, you probably need a funding apparatus which is either gonna be foreign, or probably based on illegal domestic activities. So probably foreign.
I dunno at what point some of those criteria start to be filled. It’s not looking great.
I mean I’m not American so I can’t do much, but that aside you don’t need to go to the capital. You can raise some hell right in your backyard by—among other things—refusing to work. Organize protests not against Trump, but against your senators, representatives and (if applicable) state officials for not resisting Trump’s rampage more.
Finally I want to note that I’m not making a moral judgement here (it wouldn’t make sense to do that from the sidelines, as you said) but rather a statement. I’m not sure most Americans fully understand the implications here, but unless Americans en masse choose to change course y’all are on a one-way trip to fascismland. What responsibility you want to assign to whom here is up to you.
we judge cause our countries have stood against worse and understand this is the duty of the democratic citizen: to protect democracy. You in your little baby aged country do not know how bad it gonna get if you don’t. Losing out on a day of work on your shitty job is going to seem like paradise in a few years.
It’s not just a day of work if you get fired and your family starves.
Well the camps trump is building gurantee work for the rest of you and your families life.
lol I think this is my favorite crazy comment in here. You’ve literally taken on the persona of an old country and decreed you can judge because of your history. Not that you’re just a human being who probably hasn’t done shit-fuck for the country in your lifetime, but please keep taking credit for… I don’t even know what.
I’ll paraphrase to be less crazy as you are right. “You dont need to wonder what happens next cause the history is full of peoples and countries who have gone through it. It is your choice to go online and convince others there’s nothing you can do and everyone who suggests otherwise is not to be listened to, to sit idle and hope you are not going to be the victim or do what is in your power and capability.” Its just extremely ironic "the only land of the free!!! " democracy was only being held up by good faith. But seriously, even your online attitude is enough to help one side or the other. You dont want to be in the find out phase of a dictatorship that is already setting up death camps in a country already built on genocide.
Relax , your anxious feelings are understandable but we will continue to provide the best television experience the world has ever seen.
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Our government is far more militarized than our citizens by a factor of about a million.
Plus, nearly every MAGAt is armed to the teeth with guns. Starting the violence just gives them the ammo (pun intended) to start the war they want.
Everyone here on both sides knows what’s coming. One side is literally foaming at the mouth for it to happen though so they can play put all the fantasies they’ve dreamt of since they played with finger guns in the back yard.
This is not gunna be fun for the side Lemmy primarily wants to win
That is way the United States need to get a un-united. It can not be, that all those red states dictate the blue states what is allowed and what not.
Suppressed states need to free themself, in my opinion.
Yes. Cascadia now.
Thats why you ambush the forces of the government and then seize their weapons.
But i seriously disagree with this notion of the US government being a million times more militarized. The difference between gun and big gun is much smaller than between no gun and gun.
But even if it gets to the point of the US air force bombing its own citizens. Those bombs need to be build. The factory needs workers. The factory needs supplies from a different factory. These suppliers need the same…
Fighting and winning a civil war against a well armee population is much harder than fighting against a well armed conventional opponent.
Try taking a look at [email protected] or [email protected] for a while, watch some Ukraine war footage, and realize that as bloody and horrific that war is: Both side are nearly at parity in military strength, and neither side is capable of air superiority.
Now imagine civilians with hand weapons going up against the most advanced, funded, and well trained volunteer military in the world with an unlimited budget and legendary logistics.
Your suggestion is only remotely possible if the military and the industial complex behind it fractures and joins the rebellion in a sizeable amount, otherwise it’s suicide.
Conventional armies fighting against each other cannot be compared to fighting against guerilla/insurgents.
Look at the US failing to create a stable occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan. Look at the US failing in Vietnam. Look at Israel annihilating Gaza and committing mass slaughter, yet Hamas has the same number of fighters today, like it did in 2023.
Of course the US army has the means to genocide all of the US population. That is until they run out of food. Of course they can terrorize the civilian population by cutting power, starving people and denying fuel, healthcare etc. That worked great for Bashar al Assad in Syria…
Ones you have a popular uprising, the disproportionate use of force by the regime usually fuels more resistance against the regime. That is why they try to react disproportionately hard even to the earliest signs of it. Why did they make all the fuzz about Luigi? Because they are scared, that if it is not 1 Luigi but 100 Luigis, the system would be at serious danger and with 1,000 Luigis it could collapse already, because no Oligarch would feel safe anymore. And 1,000 Luigis in a country with 340 million people is not that much.
You didn’t mention guerilla warfare in your other comment, you said the US isn’t that much more militarized than anyone else, and that there isn’t much disparity between small and large weapons.
Could America sustain a resistance similar to The Troubles? I think so. But any sort of conventional warfare, like along the lines of the Russian or Spanish civil war, is quite unlikely, which is what I thought you were implying.
Lmao this is an absolutely hilarious take
“You’re a pussy” says the person behind the monitor.
Of course, I, as foreigner, fly to America to save it… /s
They would put me in prison before my plane touches US ground, lol
Yeah, Americans never traveled anywhere to save anybody from nazis. Never.
American came veeery late and way after sovereign countries got invaded.
A country attacked from another is something different than going to waste from within
I mean, thousands of international volunteers traveled to Spain to help during the Spanish Civil war. The same is true for Ukraine and to a lesser extent, Rojava.
Yea, helping may be OK, but you can not simply walk in a foreign country and start a revolution there, or, wait, was that not done by America and Russia all the time?
Well, I, as Swiss person, have the opinion, that a country should not interfere in in-boarder stuff of another country, if it not directly affects first country.
Of course, Swiss government and Swiss organisations are allowed to state their opinion on what is happening but not interfere.
Ukraine is not an in-boarder event according to the international boarders that were agreed upon at that convention I forgot the name from 😆 but there, basically all countries agreed to the boarders of each country, that they don’t change them with violence and that each country is sovereign, iirc.
Huge amounts of Americans support what Trump is doing and welcome a dictatorship. There’s no unanimous opposition to what Trump is doing. That is the reality. This is same as the Russia situation with Putin where Russians who sided against the country and fight alongside Ukraine are the minority actually willing to do something.
I see you are unaware of all the armed protests and demonstrations going on.
what you are whining about is already happening.
There seems to be a media blackout on those do you have any details ?
there is no media blackout, you’re trying to be cynically hip, which is very cowardly in this situation.
here are thousands of people in Denver alone during the 50501 protest.
here’s a thousand people at Stonewall
there are Nationwide protests happening constantly, and pretending there aren’t political events happening that you are choosing not to join because you want to be blissfully ignorant or are afraid of the consequences of fighting for civil and democratic rights is simple cowardice.
own up to your apathy.
Mate it’s a bit bloody hard to join from the UK so shove your insults up your arse. I’m not American and I can assure you that this isnt making it on to the major networks (US or international) in any meaningful way. Hence the “media blackout” comment - because that’s how it looks.
“Hence the “media blackout” comment - because that’s how it looks.”
you are either blind and deaf or have never used the internet before.
If you are actually British, and the BBC is not covering these protests, that does not mean there is a “media blackout”, it means that Britain specifically isn’t covering the protests in the US.
The protests are all over the telly in the states and other countries.
but I guess you guys do have that police state thing going on right now, so I can see why the BBC wouldn’t want to report on civil rights movements.
websites and news organizations are reporting on the 50501 movement hourly.
I don’t know how you’re managing to miss all of the information being disseminated about these protests, but if you type in those numbers, you’re going to find all the information you could ever want about the 50501 protests, there’s nothing remotely like a “media blackout” happening.
Won’t speak to all your statements around the protests, but as a Canadian I haven’t heard anything from our news about your protests. The only time I’ve heard of protests are from Lemmy and Reddit comments, not even posts. Donalds and Elons shenanigans are plastered over all our news sites and social media platforms.
It’s good to hear protests are happening though. Good luck and best wishes on all your protests!
I googled 50501 from the info on here. Not a single entry from major US media, every single one is a regional paper - with one exception - there was an AP article 2 weeks ago.
I’m afraid I don’t usually turn to the Baltimore Sun or the Staunton Register for my US news - first two entries - where the hell even IS Staunton.
No, the BBC isn’t covering it (typing 50501 into the search bar got me “Is American cheese really that bad” from 2019 (no I dont understand either)
The last coverage by majors such as CNN and APnews and reuters who ARE who I look to for US news was two weeks ago (16days to be precise) so if there have been many protests since then as you claim then it does indeed look like they are ignoring it
A search on AP news for “protests” sorted by new has me scrolling down about 70-80 items before I find out that 300 people are protesting being sacked from the DHH.
Then another 2 pages to find a rally in california a couple days ago.
None of these were on the AP home page headlines, none of these come up in the RSS ticker feed. If it’s not a media blackout they sure don’t think these protests matter
Standing in a street? No one cares.
The 1776 energy died with the people who made it happen.
ah, so you don’t know how policy works.
protests very frequently change policy. protests are why you have 8-hour days and firefighters.
these ones are making a change as well.
That wasn’t just protests. Unionists and syndicalists paid for that dearly in blood.
the protests and work stoppages changed policies, not the occasional fistfights.
That’s what you’ve been gaslit into thinking so that you don’t get rowdy.
you are historically and factually incorrect.
as for your backwards insult, I am advocating for change through protest, which Is historically relevant in changing policy, while you are whining that nobody should “get rowdy”.
you are hiding, you have been cowed into believing you can’t make a change.
stand up. have some pride.
which Is historically relevant in changing policy
When?
while you are whining that nobody should “get rowdy”.
That’s the exact opposite of what I’m saying.
you are hiding, you have been cowed into believing you can’t make a change.
Again, that’s the opposite of what I’m saying. We can make a change, but protests aren’t how it gets done.
this feels like it’s conflating strikes and protests
it might help you to recognize that an organized strike is a form of protest.
yes, a strike is a subset of protest, but the person you were responding to said “standing in a street? nobody cares” because they are accurately saying that the current protests are not labor strikes
not at all.
they were inaccurately saying that protests do not affect policy.
that is flatly incorrect.
protests do affect policy, regardless of the form of protest.
they did not say “the current protests are not labor strikes”, which would be a bizarre non-sequitur.
they said that “standing in a street? no one cares.” can you dospute that? is standing in a street what got us 8 hour days, or was it the labor strikes?
Y’know I think we’re arguing pointlessly here. Put that energy and anger you have into getting people onto the street, enough people (100s of thousands) does have impact, but just maybe try taking on board what everyone is trying to say which is that you need more than protests, you absolutely need strikes, and possibly more.
You don’t need as many people as you’re afraid of, but don’t worry, I am getting people out there.
“…everyone is trying to say which is that you need more than protests, you absolutely need strikes.”
This is my original point that “everybody” is angrily agreeing with me about, so…sure.
I still agree with my original point.
Inertia is a human force of behavior, I get that. But the landscape has changed. The methods of pre-2024 will NOT work, they will be summarily ignored. Standing in a street will now be summarily ignored.
Or forcefully dispersed. Remember, in his prior admin, he wanted to know why we didn’t just send the national guard out to kneecap people.
“Inertia is a human force of behavior, I get that.”
great.
“But the landscape has changed.”
boy, has it not.
“The methods of pre-2024 will NOT work, they will be summarily ignored.”
this is incorrect, and is much more a symptom of anxiety than any sort of legitimate statement.
“Standing in a street will now be summarily ignored.”
again, incorrect and a simple anxiety.
I’m sure things look very scary or daunting to you, but you don’t have to take part in making the US a better place, these tens of thousands of people are doing that for you.
“Or forcefully dispersed.”
this one’s definitely not happening.
there were 50 protests a few days ago that were not dispersed, and countless others defending civil rights Nationwide in the past week that were not “dispersed”.
you have the wrong information, or more likely, no information.
again, it sounds like anxiety.
Street protests are one of several necessary activities for a change movement. They can help build awareness and let off some steam, but need considerable mass to affect change on their own.
More change happens when paired with organised political action, strikes, obstruction, PR and ofc violence/terror.
The trick is to coordinate the sides towards the goal. Only street protests or only terror won’t do anything, but pulling together you did get 8 hour workdays,or more recently grain import regulations (in Poland).
Then again, a million protesters over three months, including transport striking and uncoordinated violence, did not affect the French pension age.
Street protests are one of several necessary activities for a change movement
Yes, name any successful movement for political change that didn’t involve street protests.
✅ French revolution ✅ Suffragettes ✅ Indian independence ✅ The Boston Tea Party
And, I would imagine that it’s extremely rare to have big protests without first having some small protests. People need to know they’re not alone. It’s really hard to be one of the first people at a protest. But, the bigger they are, the easier it is for people to find out about, and to feel confident in attending.
Add to that that everyone knows that to be effective these protests have to take place in DC, but the US is huge and DC is relatively small (and very strange as a city / metro area) so it will be a while before you can have mass protests in DC. The logistics of just getting there are difficult and expensive. In many countries, the capital is the biggest city in the country: London, Paris, Berlin, Madrid, Tokyo, Bangkok, Seoul, Mexico City… And, in countries where the capital isn’t the biggest city, it’s at least normally a very big city, Beijing: 22M, New Delhi: 28M, Ankara: 5M, etc. The Washington DC metro area spans the District of Columbia plus parts of 4 states, but is still only the 6th biggest metro area in the US.
I imagine there will be huge protests in DC. It will just take a while for all the logistics to be worked out.
you are incorrect that only street protests (I have a dream) or only terror (9/11) “won’t do anything”, but you are correct in agreeing with me that the more forms of protest occurring simultaneously, like the protests happening now, the more likely a movement is to effect change.
You’re over simplifying the first, and conflating the other.
The MLK protests made change on the back of decades of campaigning together with multiple organisations applying different types of pressure and activism for the same goal, including president Kennedy, and several PR disasters for the opposition.
As for the 2001 attacks, what would you say was their political goal? Was it fulfilled by those attacks? If not, I’d scratch that up as a failed attempt.
“You’re over simplifying the first, and conflating the other.”
incorrect.
you are claiming that protests do not affect political change.
you are wrong.
“The MLK protests made change…”
that’s right!
“As for the 2001 attacks, what would you say was their political goal?”
to destroy an important symbol of the US, terrify the US population and force them to waste resources chasing an unseen enemy.
which, since none of you seem versed in history, is exactly what happened and is still happening.
“Nuh uh”
nope
to destroy an important symbol of the US, terrify the US population and force them to waste resources chasing an unseen enemy.
Are you implying the ‘inside job’ conspiracy theory, or suggesting these were the goals of Al-Qaeda?
I’m not saying that to reject the former, it has some debatable credibility, but if you’re proposing the latter, “to destroy an important symbol of the US, terrify the US population and force them to waste resources chasing an unseen enemy” doesn’t make sense from Al-Qaeda’s perspective, contradicts the choices of targets, and contradicts their stated motives both years before and after the 2001 attacks. (quick wiki summary to launch from)
'Are you implying the ‘inside job’ conspiracy theory, or suggesting these were the goals of Al-Qaeda?"
…how? do you get to these non-sequiturs.
If you don’t know something, just ask.
On 9/11, a bunch of Saudi terrorists destroyed two very tall buildings in NYC in 2001. The quote of mine are several of the explicitly stated goals of that terrorist group that were successfully carried out.
I can’t help you if you don’t “believe” in 9/11, that’s…what happened. You can just read about it. Like, everywhere.
This is token protesting and does nothing.
you clearly don’t know how to use the word “token”.
protesting is the reason many civil rights you take for granted exist at all.
protests cause huge policy changes constantly and consistently, you are simply ignorant.
I think they’re talking about these specific ones that are happening atm, not like in general.
Correct. There’s only one type of protests fascists understand.
where can i see more media of the protests
you can just type 50501 protests into YouTube or any search engine and see the most recent coverage, here are a couple examples from a few days ago:
Alabama More than 200 protesters gathered outside Alabama’s Statehouse
Alaska An estimated 123 people gathered outside Alaska’s capitol building
Arkansas Approximately 200 protesters gathered on the outside Arkansas’s capital
California During the February 5 protest, over 1,000 protesters gathered near the west steps of California’s capitol building
Florida Around 300 protesters gathered outside the Florida State Capitol
…I mean seriously?
Denver had 4,000, Boston had a thousand, over 50 states(even your red ones), you have tens of thousands of people taking part in these protests simultaneously across the Nation.
and this is only one of the many protests going on.
this single protest is getting tens of thousands of people while other protests are happening.
so yes.
seriously.
I just took the first states alphabetically. In Germany we have protests against fascism just before our elections, the fascists are at 20% in the polls and we get 10,000s of people on the streets with protests in more than 60 cities.
But don’t get me wrong, I don’t want to downplay the US protests, I am glad about every single soul on the streets. It’s just that I am shocked about the realities across the pond.
“I just took the first states alphabetically.”
I know, that’s why I pointed out that your numbers were totally off.
“we get 10,000s of people on the streets with protests in more than 60 cities.”
Cool, so do the Americans.
“I am shocked about the realities across the pond.”
Germans are usually very well versed in history, what about a fascist dictator rising to power surprises you?
I know, that’s why I pointed out that your numbers were totally off.
I looked through the numbers of the other states in the article you shared and they all look the same. 4,000 in Colorado was max, most of the others are “a few hundred protesters”
Cool, so do the Americans.
Maybe, but this is not reflected in the article you shared.
Germans are usually very well versed in history, what about a fascist dictator rising to power surprises you?
No idea what you are talking about. I am just saying it seems that most of the US seems to be paralyzed.
“a few hundred protesters” ,
incorrect, but if it were correct, it still doubles the numbers that you were claiming.
“most of the US seems to be paralyzed.”
you have multiple protests going on literally in every single state, every few days, with dozens of active lawsuits filed against the federal government, citizens going door-to-door informing people of their rights against ICE, Judges literally blocking his executive orders, and you think Americans are paralyzed.
active protest is nearly as opposite of paralysis as you can get.
you should get up to date on your information!
you are way off.
I just quoted the wiki article you shared, so that’s where I got my information from. I already said I am glad about every single person protesting. No idea why you are being so aggressive.
I would like to end the discussion at this point. So if you like you can formulate an answer, but I will likely not respond.
Historically successful protest campaigns need people in percents of the population to have an effect. Tens of thousands dividend by 350 million is… uh… not that.
boy, your education system is rough.
you don’t need some particular percentage, you need to exert the will of the people to effect political change, as has happened many times before, as is happening now, and as will happen many times in the future.
protests work, factually and historically.
You’re butting your head against reality.
If your claim is true, where does that leave these guys?
folks. search engines. then you don’t have to prove yourselves wrong through your easily remeded ignorance.
your question is “does literally every single protest ever immediately achieve the exact aims it set out to?”
no.
Why would you think that?
also, it’s not like that battle is over.
Why don’t you Google these things first?
France is literally reassessing the pension move from 2023 right now, as of 3 days ago, because it isn’t going to solve any problems.
“those guys” you mentioned are in a pretty good spot since everything they said in 2023 is being proved correct now.
your question is “does literally every single protest ever achieve the exact aims it set out to?”
Your claim that protesting works period would logically lead to that conclusion. If not all protests work then there must be effective and non-effective ways of protesting, and just the “will of the people” can’t be enough. In hindsight the Iraq war would’ve been a better example here.
Considering the gravity of the situation, those numbers are devastatingly low.
Two weeks ago in Munich 250000 people protested against a fascist party – before elections even started. Just to put things into perspective.
you are uninformed.
you are, like everyone else, referring to a very small percentage of a single new protest movement that I used as one offhand example that doesn’t include any of the other protests simultaneously happening.
The US had 50 million people nationwide protesting racial unrest and Police brutality as recently as 2023, tens of millions in the US marched against gun control, feminism, environmental protection, lgbtq rights, in the last 5 years.
those tens of millions of people are a much higher percentage of the US population than the 250k you cite out of Germany’s population.
“After several smaller-scale protests, in the evening of 12 January 2024 around 2,000 protested against the AfD at its Hamburg headquarters. The next day, a rally in Duisburg against an AfD new year’s reception attracted around 2,400 protesters according to police, far more than anticipated by organizers at the time of registering the rally with authorities, which was before the Correctiv revelations. Also on 13 January, around 650 protestors …”
If your number is accurate, those protests started out much smaller than you are pretending, and 50501 has them beat hands down in their first week by scale and organization.
I am not saying that the US is better at protesting. I think Germans are very politically aware as a people and Europeans in general are more culturally open to and willing to protest, and don’t shy away from it.
I’m trying to shed some light on how inaccurate your assumptions and conclusions about American protesting are.
That is fantastic and it is factor of a trillion better than no protests.
No wonder there is nothing on the Dutch news about this, the name is shit
haha, I had the same thought. and completely agree! it is a terrible name to remember and catch on.
Good
I was told this is what all the guns are for?
Which is often advocated as a reason by conservatives who are absolutely delighted in dictatorship with their favorite God King, so have no reason to use it. It’s been the blue states who’ve advocated more strongly in favor of gun control.
I wonder how police will respond when groups start arming themselves.
So many Americans have taken the oath of defending the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. They should all be on their way to the White House to actually follow this oath.
If nothing else, there have been countless Secret Service agents and military personnel around figures like Trump and Musk - every single one of them who had the opportunity to take the shot but chose not to, has violated their oath, and are complicit in this country’s downfall.
I’m a vet. I’m unsure why the DoD hasn’t put a stop to this yet. There have been clear violations of this oath by elected officials. At the very least, letting Elmo wreck shit.
We have a problem though. The retired boomer vets, and some younger ones, voted for this. Conservatives tend to be the ones that raise their hands. They seem to have forgotten the oath and think that all of this is A OK. They’ve been guzzling the kool aid. Hell, my base still shows Faux “News” at the base hospital on some TVs. Even though a base commander banned news channels during COVID.
Those of us that do recognize this as a violation of the constitution do not number enough to do anything. Rising up involves getting rid of the entire GOP, plus multiple billionaires, multiple media moguls, SCOTUS, lower court appointees, appointees of many other government agencies, and on and on. It isn’t something even a couple thousand can accomplish. We saw this with the attempted coup on J6.
What we’re doing is making sure we’re armed enough to defend ourselves in case of a civil war, or violence from the lunatics who still think this is all fine and good while we scream towards fascism. I hate this. I wish I could go do something. With every fiber of my being I do. My nervous system is fucked. I can barely leave the house many days. Especially in the winter when the cold shoots pain and fatigue through the roof. I can defend my own, probably my own neighborhood if it came to it. That’s about the extent for me.
I live in a place with a bunch of these nut bags as it is too. There is a crazy trump church in my town with heavy ties to a christian nationalists extremist group. It’s the largest church in the small town. Those people concern me. There is a crazy guy 2 houses down from me that thinks the local base dropped COVID on us with the tankers. I think I broke the gerbal wheel in his brain when I told him I’ve seen them inside and out and there isn’t anywhere to even put a “bag o covid”. We had a major wildfire hit and he blamed the firefighters for not flying in heavy smoke, at night and in super high winds. We’re talking 70mph+ gusts and 45 sustained. There are some that still have trump/pence signs up. That’s the type of crap I’m working with. Many are vets as well.
I get how it looks from the outside. We’ve been claiming that our firearms are for exactly what is happening. Thing is, those that support this. Those that voted for this, have the vast majority of firearms in this country. The last statistic I saw was from 2022 and republican firearm owners numbered nearly 2x democratic owners. That didn’t even count the amount of firearms owned. That percentage is the same for individuals who live in a home where firearms are present. The left has slowly been arming up due to increased violence from the right against the left, but we’re in no position to rise up.
If the right does end up realizing that they fucked up and need to finally rise up with the left, then you’ll see it at a local level first. Other countries poke fun at us for not taking vacations because we don’t have the days or money to do so. Yet they expect us to travel across country, with absolutely no guarantee others will be there, to maybe get a shot off at 1 person? It’s over 2500 miles for me to get across the country. That’d take me at least a week and a half. I wouldn’t even be able to do that solo due to the medical issues. People can’t afford to do that. So the local level would be the target. Local congressmen (most of whom live in DC over half the year as it is). Local senators. State capitals, provided they’re red states and are following suit with the fed govts.
This got long, I’m sorry for that, but this is a much more complicated issue. I seriously don’t think people realize just how fucking far it is to get to DC. Just how useless it would be without some serious backing by the right and the military, or at least enough of the military that remembers their oath and don’t fire on us. That combo could hold off the cops, but remember as well. We’re dealing with police who are militarized now. They’ve been eating up old military equipment for at least a decade now. Some even have old APCs. They have no qualms over shooting everything all the way down to your dog just because it looked at them funny.
Can’t do shit when tens of millions of citizens would go batshit insane if anything forceful was done against this new breed of Nazis.
I’m confused… Who are you talking about? What oath? Are… Are we talking about our mandatory “pledge of allegiance” we indoctrinate kids with?
You people can’t be real…
The oath to defend the Constitution applies to most federal workers, the military, and (I think!) law enforcement.
https://bensguide.gpo.gov/j-oath-office
https://www.army.mil/values/oath.html
https://police-brutality.usattorneys.com/do-police-swear-an-oath-to-the-constitution/
It will have to get a lot worse domestically before this happens
Revolutions don’t happen because there’s too much suffering. Revolutions happen when people think there’s no other way to force change, and when they think they can win.
It will get worse domestically. But this will not contribute to any uprising. In fact, it very likely will make it harder.
If you look at the French revolution, sure, there was suffering.
But look at who took over when the revolution had taken the heads of the monarchy. Was it the peasants who had waved pitchforks? Was it bollocks. It was a bunch of nobles who were sick of their lot under the old regime.
Revolutions happen when wannabe new leaders instigate them. Hordes of angry people are a force to be reckoned with, but without leaders they ain’t organising shit. They’re a tool for takeovers.
The bourgeoisie, rather than nobility, and the peasants were largely reactionaries; it was the urban proletariat which provided the enthusiastic manpower of the Revolution.
But yes, I agree. Organization and leaders make revolutions.
Revolutions don’t happen because there’s too much suffering
That’s because the people in charge (historically speaking) have made sure that not enough universal suffering happens to create a revolution. This administration is a new kind of special, and I wouldn’t count it out.
That’s because the people in charge (historically speaking) have made sure that not enough universal suffering happens to create a revolution.
Bruh, I can point you to some very universally-suffering societies, both modern and historical, which did not provoke revolutions; and every revolution I can think of was very far from universally suffering, compared to prior or later conditions.
Suffering is only marginally related to revolution, at best.
both modern and historical, which did not provoke revolutions; and every revolution I can think of was very far from universally suffering, compared to prior or later conditions.
Suffering is only marginally related to revolution, at best.
I’ll make a note that you are an expert in revolutions and move on with my life.
I’ll make a note that you are an expert in revolutions and move on with my life.
There are quite a number of revolutions in history, which is my field, yes.
May I ask,what would be that thing? Because its seems like your all well over due for a bit of a revolution
People are seemingly waiting for “the thing” not realizing that there’s never “the thing” in a successive authoritarian takeover.
I think most people thought that “the” line was crossed at some point several lines ago, but when there wasn’t an obvious consensus that “the” line had been crossed at that particular time, people kept looking around and waiting for others to say that “the” line had been crossed. That’s how we’ve all allowed it to get to such an insane point. We’re all waiting for a revolutionary instead of being the leader we need. I don’t think any of us feels qualified and capable.
Well that’s extremely sad
The thing is probably a leader for the opposition in this case.
The people who don’t care/understand politics will have to get hungry.
You know what they say, a society is one 4 meals aways from complete chaos
Thats the string holding it all together imo. The majority of people still feel secure enough in their next week of meals, let alone next four. Yeah they cost more, yeah food pantries usage are trending up so much that it threatens their stocks of food, but the foods still there and obtainable for most. Many of us who see the writing on the wall are ready for whatever but we can’t simply start shooting and hope things get better.
Well sure for now,but your seen the price of eggs,Healthcare, transportation, education, Internet and about dozen other things,prices for food is already going up,how long will take? By the way,I don’t think revolution is the answer,j think politicians need to grow some back bones. Give aoc or burnie a chance.
1929 crisis lasted more or less 10 years and nothing happened
over due for a bit of a revolution
Ohh indeed.
Here’s the playfield:
We have cities full of poorly armed people who are on the edge of readiness. Then, we have thousands of miles of rural country with a sparse number of well-armed people who are quite happy with the turn of events.
Nearly all news coverage is now directly/indirectly state-controlled. Nearly all social media coverage is directly/indirectly state-controlled.
We’re seeing protests come up around government buildings, but it’s barely a pittance.
The people who would need to start the coup are poorly armed and largely reluctant to be violent; they’re also not ready to give their lives for the cause. The people who are against any form of coup are well-armed and would LOVE to go in guns blazing.
The inklings of resistance are present. They’d need someone to organize and lead them,
Another concern I have is, historically, you have a coup, the military is called in to take it out, they refuse, and a new government is installed with their blessing. What happens when, instead of the military getting called in and refusing, the old government hires private industry to put guns on drones and starts murderbotting protestors? Tech isn’t like it used to be. They don’t need to get their hands directly dirty anymore or risk any of their own lives.
I’m not certain you could have a revolution against well funded oligarchs dug into a country.
Look here Europe. I don’t know how well y’all understand the states, but it’s unfathomably large. People in the big cities can definitely organize and revolt. But, against who?
The power is concentrated in Washington DC. It’s in an extremely inconvenient location to get to, and I’m starting to understand why.
The last person who was able to amass a large enough following to organize people and march all the damn way to Washington DC was assassinated by the FBI - more specifically J. Edgar Hoover, one of the OG Incel MAGATs. The last president that was able to advocate for the same rights was assassinated by the same group.
Malcom X could see that the only way the US government would change was through speaking the language it knew, but he, too, was taken out by the FBI.
The billionaires in power speak the same language. They wear children as meat shields. They spark violent rhetoric. They won’t hesitate to take out a figurehead before he becomes too powerful like King, JFK, and Malcom X.
Meanwhile, trump’s army of inbred rednecks, drunk karens and incels managed to storm the capital, and get away with it, while being livestreamed TO THE WORLD. The more i see messages like this the more i feel disappointed with americans. Too fat and diabetic to break into a sweat I see.
Trump will tell them to open fire immediately in a Jan 6 like scenario.
It’s faster to just write “I’m too scared.”
It’s okay, we’re disappointed in you all as well. I mean, jeez, how many dictators have you all had? History tells us a great deal about you lot.
Please learn from our history. And if not, don’t try to be USA and want to do it greater than any one else.
Yeah but it’s impossible.
Excuses, excuses…
It’s like asking why you guys don’t just kill putin
Because Europe is not Russia?
The distance from the UK is significantly smaller than from me to Washington DC.
Sure, but do you know what border checks are?
Because weapons are not sold on every corner in Russia.
Russia has higher murder rate than any European country and higher than US. And with how corrupt the military is all, anyone with the equivalent of 100usd can bribe a logistics officer to lose an AK in the paperwork.
You dont need guns to murder people.
Also Russia has plenty of windows.
Those are marked as suicides.
You aren’t going to hit anything with an ak47.
Because russians dont spend most of their time bragging how they are the only free country in the world since some toilet paper with bullshit written on it says citizens must use guns to protect against tyranny.
Youre gonna fucking love the gestapo raids with the new head of fbi btw.
Getting into Russia is difficult, getting out again is next to impossible. Besides anyone in Russia who doesn’t speak russian would be immediately arrested long before they got to Moscow. It’s a dumb comparison. If the country I live in fell to fascism I absolutely would take the fight to them.
The fact is that you people allowed this to happen and you’re allowing it to continue. Europe would not give a single solitary fuck if it weren’t for the fact that the USA has been ingraining themselves into all parts of international politics for decades, and your recent fuck up is causing problems for everyone.
How many dictators are closer to you than Trump is to most of us?
What a stupid fucking argument this is. The person you’re responding to us 100% correct. Educate yourself.
If the government is this centralized that makes it easy to revolt. Just topple the state government and make your own rules. Then the “power” has to first get into their cars and drive all the way to you.
Revolutions moetly dont start in the populated areas where the government has many of it goons. They start in the thinly populated areas, where it is easy to seize local control.
Guess who those thinly populated areas voted for…
Also, “just topple the state governments” as if most US states aren’t larger + more dispersed than many European countries. And state (and sometimes local) police have access to second hand military equipment.
Then even putting that aside, the US interstate system was quite literally designed to expedite military logistics. The Federal government could have tanks rolling down the streets of any major city in single-digit hours.
However, the size of the country is a double edged sword. Locking down areas outside of populated cities would take a lot of sustained resources. Combine that with the sheer volume of firearms in the hands of private citizens and you have a recipe for festering unrest. Actual violent resistance in the US would be a different beast from what you see in other countries.
Yeah. i should clarify “easy to revolt” is only in relative terms. Any uprising against a regime that doesn’t crumble right away is a bloody and difficult endeavor. That is why usually people only get to that point, when their basic livelihood is in immediate danger.
Still i think that the US has the unique situation of having relatively well armed civilians. So where in other countries you have unarmed mass protests that get shot down by the regime, followed by improvised weapons until the people manage to arm themselves from seized government stocks… In the US you have a mayor head start. Finally when it comes to the regime cracking down on people, the risk-reward calculation of police and soldiers can quickly change from shooting at the crowd to joining the crowd, if the crowd is armed.
In the end after each regime falls, the lessons is “if we had banded together earlier and fought them right away, a lot of bloodshed and destruction could have been prevented.”
I live in California… Why the fuck would we topple one of the few good governments in the US?
Is this thread full of people pushing propaganda? These are such stupid suggestions…
ITT: A lot of Europeans who have functioning mass transit systems and countries smaller than a lot of our states.
Yess, this is the way, try to get your state creating an ultimatum and if conditions are not met, leave the unity of states and get independent.
Concur - I don’t think a lot of people outside of the US and Canada truly grasp how large the landmass is. It would take me 3 days to drive to DC and over a week by train. I’m sure as shit not getting on an airplane right now… and even if I did, they’re not letting me bring any guns.
The worker should just all stop working at the same time and demand politicians to work for workers and not for billionaires to start working again…
noo but then they might lose out on a bit of money now instead of live in a nazi state and fear for their life for years!
This is the real solution.
Dr. King even stated as much.
If everyone said “enough, we’ve endured enough” and stopped letting the grinder do its thing, change would occur.
I can guarantee that it would be met with violence too, it has been met with violence. The only thing worse than union labor, is no labor.
Mario Savio, another activist in the 60s, revealed to have been illegally spied on by the FBI in 1999 ended one of his speeches with this: “There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part! You can’t even passively take part! And you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels … upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you’ve got to make it stop! And you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!”
That’s no reason not to try. Try while you can. Get organised. Use existing groups and band together, safety in numbers. How about the occupy wall St people? Trade unions? I think people are kind of in disbelief about what’s going on, but this is happening fast and it seems like there’s so little response.
Hoover is an incel now? What
I am too high for this
To him being an incel, he never married or dated publicly. Complained about women and considered them lesser. Used the sexual acts of others to blackmail others while living with another man that was his co-director of the FBI. His mother called him weak and lived with Hoover her whole life. Argued women were sluts and anyone that made comment on his sexuality was usually attacked viciously.
Also
He thought it was cute that people were naming their homeless encampments after him.He thought the FBI was wasted on mafia and killers and should focus on communists and blacks as the country should be a white Christian nationalist state.
He, apparently was so good at stealing and wiretapping that he had blackmail on pretty much everyone down to Nixon.
Dude was fucked up
Guess the “land of the free” isn’t so free after all.
its been so long since i’ve seen an angry german kid meme.
We still have too much to lose in a revolt. Most people are still materially comfortable (or at least that hasn’t changed because of Trump).
because the police will murder us
because the family of the police will murder us
because the friends of the police will murder us
sounds like a skill issue
180 no scope the federal gubmint.
And they won’t if you don’t?
Or are you a straight American born white male confident they can blend in and avoid being targeted?
This. You know all the idiots in US government? Now imagine they have a gang and they’re all armed and legally allowed to kill you because you’re a disturbance to the peace or didn’t like something you did.
When we protest here it’s called a riot and they bring out the guns looking for an excuse to bring out the bigger guns if we resist.
Sounds like Russia.
I think there’s still a case to make that police should worry about the current landscape.
A large proportion of the Jan 6 crowd were violent offenders even beforehand. The more they’re emboldened by Trump, the more of them there are. This even lead to that Nazi rally that the local community had to chase off; and that psycho in NH that had a shootout with police and wounded a deputy.
These people stay at home when they recognize their hate isn’t appreciated, and don’t think a president will pardon them. For many in law enforcement, it’s not if, but when.
It takes guts and strength. In the mass of population, this is found in people who have nothing to lose. Today, you always have something to lose. It’s called comfort. If you don’t have comfort, someone’s pressuring you in one way or another, and you don’t have strength to rebel. You can’t. Literally.
If you have comfort, why would you rebel at all.
Then, anything goes, no matter how offended you are.
The stupidest win because of fear. They are not inherently stupid, they just make the stupid choice. Making a stupid choice doesn’t make you stupid forever (except in the US).
Revolt? Americans proved that they would rather let the country burn under a fascist psychopath than oppose him and vote for an imperfect alternative. Americans get what they deserve, even the left went full toxic American this election, they can’t unify to oppose shit.
The American leftists are currently surrounded by the fire and wreckage of their future while going “take that democrats”
Our population largely would willingly choose a long, slow boil in a pot over a sudden change to their way of life.
The comforts that come with living in the wealthiest land in the world are more than addicting, they’re dangerous to a society that’s still under threat of being exploited by men with designs on power and control. It’s so easy to leverage a comfortable population. An uncomfortable population is more likely to move, to get up and change something or resist a new order.
So our best hope right now is that things move fast enough to make enough people uncomfortable that our population starts talking in terms of “general strikes” and other forms of protest that will shut the country down long enough to purge the oligarchs either by sending them off or lopping off their heads.
And as weird as it sounds to say in the year 2025, yes I am on board for a revolution with guillotines at this point. When a ruler harms or kills many people for personal gain, they have forfeited their lives and have forgotten that we want rulers who serve us, not kings who crush us.
even the left went full toxic American this election, they can’t unify to oppose shit.
based
Chill. America will be just fine. Russia and China are falling apart. America is always in a state of strife which make us great.
Who would have thunk that the Americans claiming - school shooting after school shooting - that they cannot ban guns because they need them in case the government turns evil on the people are the same Americans that cheer at a Nazi saluting oligarchic quasi-president and a moronic manchild puppet president while democracy is demolished and rights, especially of women, queer people and immigrants, are taken away.
Greetings from Germany, we’ve been there before and we’re starting to take the same path again currently as politicians of the far and the not so far right are taking the shitshow we’re witnessing in the US as an example and instruction manual to push their own agenda here. Not trying to say it’s America’s fault, it’s just that we’ve all not been conscious enough about the developments, and America honestly stumbled more blindly into fascism than I ever thought was possible. We all need to fucking get our asses up and do something. At least in Germany it’s not too late yet. In case any fellow German here reads this: GO VOTE ON SUNDAY.
And don’t ONLY vote, make your voices heard in other ways as well!
Yes! Protest, join a democratic party, talk about politics to your friends and colleagues, be vocal on social media, etc.
The reason we can’t ban guns has to do with the 2nd Amendment, it guarantees gun ownership.
There is a process to change the Constitution, but at this point it’s an impossibility given the political makeup of the country.
You start by getting 290 votes in the House, which is currently split 218 Republicans, 215 Democrats, 2 vacancies.
The majority is decided by 218 votes. So to start the Amendment process, you’d need all 215 Democrats (unlikely) and 75 Republicans (who are universally opposed.)
Assuming you get that, it then goes to the Senate which is split 53 Republicans, 45 Democrats, and 2 Independent. Since everything in the Senate starts with a filibuster, you need 60 votes to break that, and the Democrats are 13 votes shy of that.
If they managed to get those 13 votes to get past the filibuster, they still need +7 more to pass the Amendment.
If, by some miracle, all three of those votes happened, then it goes to the states for ratification and you need 38/50 states to approve.
In 2024, Trump won 31 states, Harris only 19. So you’d need all 19 Harris states (unlikely) plus 19 Trump states (even more unlikely).
Flip these numbers around and you’ll see why we similarly can’t get amendments on conservative issues.
The reason we can’t ban guns has to do with the 2nd Amendment, it guarantees gun ownership.
That’s questionable, and has been hotly debated for a long time.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
It’s an entirely reasonable interpretation that this protects militias and not individual gun ownership.
reasonable interpretation
Except the folks with the guns determine the interpretation.
Well yeah, that’s kind of the problem right now isn’t it? It actually doesn’t matter what the Constitution says, because the current Supreme Court is a partisan organ that exists to rubber stamp everything Trump whatever Trump does.
Nope. Supreme Court.
D.C. vs. Heller, 2008:
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/554/570/
“as we have said, the conception of the militia at the time of the Second Amendment’s ratification was the body of all citizens capable of military service, who would bring the sorts of lawful weapons that they possessed at home to militia duty.”
Re-iterated 2 years later because D.C. is a special entity and not a state:
McDonald vs. City of Chicago:
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/561/742/
“In Heller, we held that the Second Amendment protects the right to possess a handgun in the home for the purpose of self-defense. Unless considerations of stare decisis counsel otherwise, a provision of the Bill of Rights that protects a right that is fundamental from an American perspective applies equally to the Federal Government and the States. See Duncan, 391 U. S., at 149, and n. 14. We therefore hold that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment incorporates the Second Amendment right recognized in Heller. The judgment of the Court of Appeals is reversed, and the case is remanded for further proceedings.”
Now, both of these are about handguns, so what about OTHER weapons?
Caetano vs. Massachusetts, 2016:
This one is particularly fun because it initially didn’t involve guns at all. Woman was scared of her ex and bought a stun gun for protection. State argued that stun guns didn’t exist back then, so the 2nd amendment didn’t apply.
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/577/411/
“The Second Amendment covers all weapons that may be defined as “bearable arms,” even if they did not exist when the Bill of Rights was drafted and are not commonly used in warfare.”
So, if it’s a carryable weapon, it’s covered under the 2nd amendment.
That is the current interpretation. Before Heller (2008) many scholars and federal courts supported the collective interpretation.
My point being that you are falsely treating this as a settled conversation/that the text is unambiguous. It’s famously unclear, and there have been pages and pages of arguments written about this.
The Supreme Court is the arbiter, and while the court CAN overturn itself, as it did with Roe, it takes 50 years and a concerted effort by the Presidents and Senate to change the composition of the Court.
Since Heller, the Court has only become MORE conservative, not less, so the opinions on gun rights and the 2nd amendment aren’t going to change any time soon.
We saw it again with Bruen in 2022 where the Court gave the test by which all gun laws should be judged:
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/597/20-843/
“Today, we decline to adopt that two-part approach. In keeping with Heller, we hold that when the Second Amendment’s plain text covers an individual’s conduct, the Constitution presumptively protects that conduct. To justify its regulation, the government may not simply posit that the regulation promotes an important interest. Rather, the government must demonstrate that the regulation is consistent with this Nation’s historical tradition of firearm regulation. Only if a firearm regulation is consistent with this Nation’s historical tradition may a court conclude that the individual’s conduct falls outside the Second Amendment’s “unqualified command.” Konigsberg v. State Bar of Cal., 366 U.S. 36, 50, n. 10 (1961).[3]”
Which does not bode well for California this year when the Supreme Court takes up the ban on AR-15s and magazines with more than 10 rounds.
Snope vs. Brown will be the next one to watch:
And that’s why it’s not “gun ownership is guaranteed by constitution” but “gun ownership is guaranteed by the recent decision of 9 unelected people, but actually less than that, some of then were against it”.
All it takes is a majority ruling to set the precedent, and they have done so four separate times now.
June is going to probably be another heartbreaker for folks expecting the court to suddenly swerve left.
Except the part where there was NO militia when the amendment was conceived, written and passed. Everyone, (well every male), was “the militia”. Formal or not. And if you actually look closely at the military organization of the US, you would see that it’s still the same today. There are layers to the US army. And it goes down to you as you walk around on the street.
Except the part where there was NO militia when the amendment was conceived, written and passed.
The beginning of the United States military lies in local governments which created militias that enrolled nearly all free white men. The militia was not employed as a fighting force in major operations outside the local jurisdiction. Instead, the colony asked for (and paid) volunteers serving in ranger and other provincial troops (see above), many of whom were also militia members. The local Indian threat ended by 1725 in most places, after which the militia system was little used except for local ceremonial roles. The militia system was revived at the end of the colonial era, as the American Revolution approached; weapons were accumulated and intensive training began. The militia played a major fighting role in the Revolution, especially in expelling the British from Boston in 1776 and capturing the British invasion force at Saratoga in 1777. However most of the fighting was handled by the Continental Army, comprising regular soldiers.
Everyone, (well every male)
Not black men. Not “mulattos”. Not slaves. Which the funny thing is that gun regulations have been historically motivated by black folks getting guns - see how laws changed in response to the Panthers.
There’s a difference between a compulsory service in an organized regiment, where you presumably receive training on how to use said weapons, and “the founders wanted everyone to have the right to have anti aircraft rounds in their home.”
Germany is so far up Israels ass in supporting a genocide and demonising, cancelling and straight up arresting leftist/artists/intellectuals/Muslims/Arabs you’re in no position to talk frankly.
What the hell are you talking about? Who is that “you” that is in no position to talk? You don’t know anything about my view of Germany’s position towards Israel.
I also feel like you have no clue about German politics. It’s the far right AfD that acts as the big defender of the Jews currently and you can read above what I think about them. At the same time, we have a historic responsibility towards the Jews that is not as simple as you probably think it is. And there are lots of high ranked politicians, including our foreign minister, who speak very critically of Israel’s policies and actions.
That being said, none of this has anything to do with my initial statement. Or are you one of those people who voted for Trump because the evil Democrats supported Israel? In that case I think it is you who should be silent now.
