The Food and Drug Administration on Tuesday announced it will begin the process of pulling prescription fluoride drops and tablets for children off the market. The supplements are usually given to kids at high risk for cavities.
The federal government and some state legislatures are increasingly drawing attention to what they claim are the risks associated with fluoride, a mineral that’s been used for decades in community water systems, toothpastes and mouth rinses to prevent tooth decay.
Dentists fiercely contest the notion that the harms of fluoride outweigh the benefits.
Cool, then regulate sugar in industrial food and beverage.
Regulate it harshly these fuckers need to be sent to the gulag
When I said we should restrict children’s tablets this is not what I meant, worm.
This is such a fundamental change to get used to - some branches of government have been a meritocracy my entire life, doing their best to do the right thing, being careful to heed the best scientific advice, that my immediate reaction is to trust them. Then I remember we’re living in a time where the only qualification is personal loyalty and this particular circus is run by a clown
To be fair, the FDA was incompetent / hamstrung in many other areas before. The overriding purpose was to increase profit.
They, at least they are trying something new :D
Time to stock up on fluoride I guess….
I beat the rush and stocked up in December, and I hate that that purchase is already feeling justified. One option to keep in mind as well is that tea is relatively good natural source of fluoride. So if things get bad enough, becoming an unsweetened tea-drinker might help.
Its weird hearing americans have to specify ‘un-sweetened’ tea as if its not the norm
I don’t order tea often, but we would also have to specify if we want it hot. I guess I always thought of the options as sweet/unsweet iced tea, or probably nothing because I’d be surprised if they have some earl grey back there.
Yeah, I agree it’s weird. As an American who grew up in an area where sweetened tea wasn’t the norm, I hate having to specify. But I also don’t have any faith left in my fellow countrymen, and feel like I have to make it clear for them.
So much for parents doing research and deciding if it’s right for them. Yet another bad faith argument.
This reminds me of Swish. Did anyone else have Swish growing up?
It was this program and I think they did it because like the entire community was on well water. Once a month they came into our school and had us rinse our mouths with this really high fluoride mouthwash. We had to swish it for like 2 whole minutes or something that seemed like a long time as a child.
It was probably the only thing that saved my teeth growing up (neglectful parents).
I remember doing this. Sometimes the flavor was good, other times it was sooo nasty. Didn’t matter, had to keep swishing
Yes! The hit-or-miss flavor was terrible.
We had this fluoride foam the dentist put on twice annually. Fruit-flavored foam, suctioned it back off, no rinse, and you couldn’t eat or drink for 30 minutes. Got that for a good number of years. I also recall that due to the combination of that, your city’s fluoridated water, and toothpaste, you could get these faint white spots in the middle of your teeth.
We did fluoride treatments but only at semi-annual dental checkups. It was a thick gel that they put in trays and we had to keep them in our mouths for a couple minutes. You had to lean over a sink and let any saliva just drip out because you weren’t supposed to swallow any of it.
But I also was trained from an early age to brush with fluoride toothpaste every night before bed, so…
Next up: vitamin c tablets. We won’t stop until scurvy is in full come back!
Someone here recently said RFK is literally just Pestilence incarnate, and I don’t think they are wrong. The dude is the Randall Flagg of diseases. Just waiting for his actual bugchaser arc. Then he’ll plan a mass gathering and dissolve like Gravemind into deadly spores.
I bet C will stay forever because some successful marketing campaign convinced people it’s a natural remedy against all types of colds and flu, despite being worthless for that cause. Science ain’t got nothing on a good commercial.
Vitamin C supplements are mostly bullshit anyway. Almost nobody needs them.
if you have basically any access to fresh food you don’t need to take vitamin C, even half a small potato will give you an entire days worth of of vitamin C and anything more than that will be peed out anyway. Unless you ban all fresh food people will be getting enough vitamin C, this isn’t a 1600s pirate ship, no one needs to supplement it, the supplements are a pure cash grab
I don’t know. You can’t overdose on Vitamin C. Rubes don’t like a cure-all unless it’s really bad for you. Vitamin A is the new panacea.
When my husband was like three his especially neglectful mother wasn’t watching him like always and he ate an entire bottle of fluoride tables and had to get his stomach pumped, this was in the 70s. With childproof caps and general awareness this should really not be considered an issue, kids shouldn’t have unfettered access to pills in general, it’s not a fluoride thing.
I would’ve been so cooked. This will also just harm any neurodivergent kid with executive disfunction. That plus the autism registry shows a clear attack on neurodivergents.
Same! We moved to a place with well water when I was ~5 and my parents made me use the fluoride rinse
I hated it bc it was like an extra step, but I was literally the only kid in my school to never have cavities even though I would try to skip brushing all the time. And yeah you called it with the executive dysfunction, but didn’t find out I had ADHD until I was an adult
I grew up on well water. I still have well water as an adult. Finally swapping to a prescription grade flouride toothpaste is the only thing that has gotten my cavities in check. It’s been a struggle my entire life.
Brushing twice a day did not matter. No sweets did not matter. I have basically no candy or sweet drink habits at all.
I can directly attribute my lifetime of cavity problems to non flourinated water. My dentist agrees.
This is going to wreck America’s health.
They’re weeding out the “untermensch.” The non-hetero, the mentally and physically disabled, the undesireable ethnicities, the criminals.
Let’s go all out and replace them with meth. Instead of protecting teeth, we’ll eliminate them. Who needs a dentist when you have no teeth? Think of the savings!
Lisa needs braces.
Nice try, Big Soup! Paying a lot for medical treatment is the American Dream!
Haha! I’m actually from Big Stew, you fool. And I run a side gig with Big Applesauce.
You can’t eat stew without teeth!
This is even more nuts than removing fluoride from municipal water systems. At least with that, parents who believe the science that their kids’ teeth will be better off with targeted fluoride treatment can buy the drops and tablets, and those who are afraid for some reason can choose to just not use it.
This is just trying to ban access to fluoride entirely, despite research showing its benefits and the distinct lack of significant harm. Madness.
What next, are they going to criminalize sending fluoride drops/pills through the mail, like mifepristone?
Calgary, AB Canada removed fluoride and a decade later added it back after seeing the effects of its absence.
They just banned it in Florida, with Meatball DeSatan calling it “forced medication,” and that if parents want their kids to have fluoride, they can give it to them. Now they want to ban those products, too.
So now we’re just going to reconfigure our entire society to indulge the fantasies of conspiracy theory weirdos?
So now we’re just going to reconfigure our entire society to indulge the fantasies of conspiracy theory weirdos?
Until Americans get off their couch and do something, yes.
I kinda buy the “forced medication” argument, but rather than removing the municipal water requirement, I think the municipality should provide water filters for those that want to opt-out.
I think the evidence is fairly clear that, in this case, opt-in should be the default as it protects VASTLY more than it harms.
Nah, I’m perfectly ok with “forced medication” when the societal benefit vastly outweighs the side effects. Mandatory vaccination, nutritionally supplemented food for children to aid in development, minor things like fluoride that reduce healthcare costs and promote long-term health, bring it on.
Giving credence to unsupported “skepticism” undermines the necessary faith in public infrastructure. Faith is a careful word choice here. I don’t expect the average person to really understand the benefits and chemistry and p-values, as much as I’d like them to. Some things just need doing because you trust the authority saying so. (And right now there are precious few American authorities worthy of trust.)
No reason to reconfigure anything. They have droves of people willingly agreeing to and gobbling this shit up. Our society is fundamentally broken
This is just trying to ban access to fluoride entirely
Well yeah. These are extremists, absolutists, radicals. Their dogma must be simple and without exceptions. If they admit even one scenario where fluoride has more benefits than deficits, their whole ideology and worldview crumbles. Nuance is an existential threat.
Narcissism as a fascist dictatorship of a whole country.
The mechanisms of narcissism and of cults are remarkably similar.
You could make a great movie about the fluoride prohibition of the 2020s.
[Opening shot: A dark, rain-slicked cityscape. Neon signs flicker. A child’s toothbrush lies abandoned in a puddle.]
Narrator (gravelly voice): In a world where fluoride is forbidden…
[Cut to a sleek black SUV speeding through a checkpoint. Inside, a woman in a lab coat loads a capsule into a hidden compartment behind a false toothpaste tube.]
Narrator: …one syndicate dares to keep the smiles alive.
[Cue dramatic music. A warehouse door slams open. Inside: crates of fluoride tablets, glowing faintly blue. Armed guards in dental scrubs patrol the perimeter.]
Agent Plaque (sternly): “They’re dosing kids in back-alley clinics. We need to shut them down—permanently.”
[Montage: high-speed chases through suburban cul-de-sacs, a drone crashing into a jungle gym, a slow-motion shot of a fluoride pill flying through the air and landing in a glass of water.]
The Molar (smirking): “You can take the fluoride out of the pharmacies… but you can’t take the sparkle out of the people.”
[Cue epic music drop. Explosions. A toothbrush sword fight. A child grinning with unnaturally white teeth.]
Narrator: This summer… the fight for dental freedom begins.
FLUORIDE WARS: THE SPARKLE SYNDICATE
Coming soon to a theater near you. Brush responsibly.
You could make a great movie about the fluoride prohibition
We already have one: Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb.
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Having fluoride in the water means that you are constantly maintaining a level of fluoride in your saliva which then integrates with the surface layer of your teeth throughout the day as you drink water. If you limit it to just toothpaste then that function only occurs for the small amount of time following brushing your teeth.
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Jfc, multiple studies have shown that increased flouride in drinking water decreases the number of caries in the populations teeth. Its not homeopathic, if it was you wouldn’t even be talking about it because the levels wouldnt be testable. It’s not the ingestion that matters, its having the appropriate level of fluoride in the thing you put in your mouth all day every day that keeps the levels up in your mouth so your teeth keep absorbing it. The benefits of improved population dental health far outweigh the public monetary cost of doing it and the personal health cost to you, a person who brushes your teeth, which is zero.
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Luckily one of my friends has already been down the ridiculous path you’re travelling, so I’ve had the opportunity to spend quite a lot of time reading studies relating to this subject. I’m all good on the topic of water flouridation and dental hygiene thanks.
The mechanism for preventing caries via fluoridated water is the same whether the water is treated by a municipality or treated at home. It is proven effective. Your tips on brushing are great, but they are only effective for the 2 to 3 half hour periods following that brushing. Fluoridated water prevents caries, that is a fact. So why rob yourself of a safety net for good dental hygiene?
So as much as I ‘loved’ watching my friend descend into madness with anti fluoridation nonsense, I’ve had my fill. You asked for the scientific backed mechanism for how fluoridated water helps prevent caries, and I provided that. You clearly didn’t actually want that, so I’m done here. Have fun bud.
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What? Dilute to rest of the body mass? Don’t think u understand how this works…
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then you put it there using toothpaste
You’d be astonished how many people don’t brush their teeth, so…
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No I think they should just flourinate the water
Well really people should brush their teeth but also since people won’t - including parents who won’t make their kids do it, and that’s not their fault. So flourinate the water.
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I do not assert that merely swallowing water with fluoride offers any benefit to do with dental health.
It should be obvious that the act of directly swallowing water containing fluoride would give the water little to no opportunity to interact with one’s teeth, which would be required for the intended preventative effect.
This is very similar to the decision by most nations to put low base levels of iodine in table salt. Given peoples’ daily habits and diet, it was determined to be a safe and reliable way of ensuring exposure to a needed substance for general health. Not everyone has or will have the discipline to apply fluoridated paste to their teeth regularly (hell, many people don’t even brush their teeth regularly!). Nor would many people take steps to ensure they had a recommended dose of iodine if they had to think about it, rather than just getting it through their daily meal …
It should be clear to anyone that it’s the incidental daily, weekly, monthly, yearly cumulative effect of fluoridated water, even in the brief interval before it is swallowed, swishing in the mouth and in direct contact with teeth, that can be of benefit.
Explain to me the science of how municipal fluoridation causes health issues so severe that it should be discontinued.
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I see you haven’t interacted with many kids with special needs. Not everything in life can be easily “enforced” for everyone.
Also watch them ban fluoride toothpaste next.
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Prescriptions are still fine.
This article is about the FDA pulling approval from prescription fluoride. Reading comprehension is hard, I know.
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“Well I sort of agree with my flawed understanding of what they’re doing so it must be fine.”
We’ve already played this game with abortion. Stop justifying insanity.
Do you really believe they will have fluoride prescriptions?
Edit: from the article: will begin the process of pulling prescription fluoride drops and tablets for children off the market.
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They’re not on general sale, they’re prescription. I’ve never been recommended these as a kid or as a parent (for my kids) and this is the first I’ve heard they even existed. They must be uncommon at best.
Hey everyone. It’s bad faith. Like, really bad faith. Watch OP say some stupid shit:
A reasonable user mentions an obstacle to childhood toothbrushing:
I see you haven’t interacted with many kids with special needs. Not everything in life can be easily “enforced” for everyone.
OP:
Sure. Niche cases exist. Prescriptions are still fine.
Also OP, later in that same thread:
It’s not hard to stick a toothbrush into a toddlers mouth. You don’t need a prescription.
See how that works? Remember what this article is about?
It’s bad faith conspiracy shit. Moderators? Anyone? (Edit: Thanks Mods!)
Explain to me the science of how swallowing fluoride protects teeth.
Easy, you don’t swallow them.
They’re chewables.
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Yeah, I was prescribed them when I was younger (The wonders of living in a state that still doesn’t fluoridate the water supply). They were small little red pills that you had to chew on and then rub the “paste” on your teeth with your tongue.
Imagine basically dehydrated toothpaste, had a chalky texture, not the greatest.
The tablets get chewed before they are swallowed.
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great. next it will be banned in toothpaste and mouth rinses.
RFK Jr. strikes again. I’ll never understand why people like him can’t grasp the idea that the difference between medicine and poison is often dosage.
The amount of fluoride in these tablets is nowhere near unsafe levels. It’s not even close.
He literally doesn’t believe in germ theory.
And I don’t mean ‘literally’ as in ‘figuratively’. He genuinely doesn’t believe in the most basic element of modern health and medicine.
You can’t expect him to then grasp something as nuanced as dosage.
Dude took his grandkids swimming in a sewage infested waterway… I mean, you expect someone like that to have even the loosest grasp of anything resembling nuance?
I really hope an amoeba finishes what the worm started.
That poor worm clearly starved to death
Water isn’t warm enough for them yet
Because understanding that would mean his heroin addiction was his own fault, not the heroin’s fault.
tst gonna need to have a sacred daily fluoridation ritual for its devout followers.
So - this started as a John Bircher thing right?
I’ve just been befuddled at the purpose and the point of this conspiracy theory. I guess Alex Jones’s dad is a dentist (and a Bircher) but I doubt that dentists conspire for us to have bad teeth.
Just generic “I don’t like the gubmit”? Was it a Jewish person who suggested that we improve dental health on a population level? What’s the initial bit of skin or hair that this stupid booger coalesced around?
I guess these weirdos have always been around. We just didn’t put them in charge of health.
I doubt that dentists conspire for us to have bad teeth.
People with bad teeth is literally their main revenue stream?! I wouldn’t put it past them.
