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    I’m not saying Donald is a russian asset… But what more could daddy vladdy wish for?

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      We really need to examine this need people have to blame Russia for everything. Do you blame Russia when your dryer loses a sock too? It’s fascinating to me.

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        I might if Russia had a vested interest in taking my socks, and the dryer had a history of justifying Russia’s sock stealing.

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        Are we, including or excluding that it’s all, but been confirmed that he is a Russian asset ?whether it’s willing or unwilling remains to be seen.

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          Let’s pretend he isn’t a Russian asset. What would he do differently upon becoming one? At this point, being a Russian asset is the better explanation for his actions. If he isn’t, he’s making a lot of dumb decisions that benefit Putin and hurt the US and her allies.

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    This is literally the behavior of a traitor

    Seriously, what happened USA? You were never the best, not even close, you were one of the worst, but st least you tried. Now you just kinda dropped pretence and went full asshole

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      And only 6 months into one administration. Honestly I’ve never seen politicians work so fast at anything

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        4 years followed by 4 years of biden where republicans blocked almost everything but he is now a perfect puppet to blame for everything and now the next 6 months. But Trump already started to refill positions back then.

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      they’re doing it very knowingly… they wrote an entire nearly 1000 page fucking document detailing exactly what they’re doing in excruciating detail.

      the fascists == idiots trope needs to go bc that’s exactly what makes them dangerous. lots of these fuckers are quite intelligent and conniving. you should be weary.

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        the fascists == idiots trope needs to go bc that’s exactly what makes them dangerous.

        That plan doesn’t work. It assumes that the rest of the world just sits back and takes their crap lying down which isn’t happening. They genuinely think they can just take over Greenland and nothing would happen. I don’t know if they’re intelligent or not, but they’re definitely delusional.

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          They’ve handily proven time and time again in recent memory how they can in fact just do things and the rest of the world will sit back and take it lying down, though. That’s the problem. Anyone who thinks it’s just an America issue or something like that grievously misunderstands the tenuous house of cards that the pax americana and era of modern peace is built upon. Realistically, how far are you willing to go to prevent fascism? Would you die for it? Would you crawl through the trenches in a land many seas away from home? Some people might say yes but realistically most Westerners and others would never dare give up their creature comforts. It’s not delusional to think the world can change in the way they suggest precisely because they’ve suggested it - that is the hallmark of the fascist movement and what ties their collective ethos together, a philosophy of domination in all aspects.

          Idk in short, I agree that yeah these people are certainly morally bankrupt. Lots of them are delusional. Any group of people has some like that. That doesn’t mean we should strawman them. There’s lots of idiots and they might think the US could invade Greenland without causing an international crisis. Either fortunately or unfortunately, these aren’t the people saying that the US wants to own Greenland or that we should go to war with Iran, for example.

          The people who control and run this movement are not delusional. They’re dangerous.

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        Oh yeah, they have a plan all right.

        Now, the plan isn’t any good and everyone gets screwed, even them.

        But it is, technically speaking, a plan!

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          i made the freudian slip originally before publishing the comment but decided to keep it in because it felt apt. lol

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        you should be weary.

        Oh don’t worry, we’re really freaking tired and weary of this nonsense.

        But we should also be wary of how sneaky these bastards are.

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        The followers of fascist movements are alsolute morons. The leaders are ruthless and capable opportunists.

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      Just when I warmed up to the idea that NATO was a necessary evil to counter Putin’s worse evil.

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        It is but losing the traitor in the assembly is not a bad thing. Now if Europe could jailbreak all that American tech they have in their military gear too, that would be nice.

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        It also is a necessity to keep the USA from going Putin… Trump wouldn’t stop wanting to be a King. As a King he’d work on becoming the Emperor. As Caesar Donald the step to becoming the god emperor isn’t that big…

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          As Caesar Donald the step to becoming the god emperor isn’t that big…

          Kinda just hoping we can skip all that and go straight to the “Et tu, Bruté?” bit.

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      Between this and USAID I can’t say I’m unhappy about it. Of course dismantling imperialism is a good thing, but I also don’t understand. The republicans should be all about illegal invasions, bombing civilians, and installing puppet dictators, so they should love USAID and NATO, yet here we are. Is this just incompetence?

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    Look how stupid your country is, to hand the death of NATO to Putin because you’re on his side.

    Thanks for the war and death and heat, Americans.

    Fuck you.

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      Thanks for the war and death and heat, Americans.

      Casting the first stone from paradise, eh?

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        Americans have been burning paradise. Sit yout ass down and be quiet.

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          I mean, not to absolve America of anything, but it’s not like the rest of the world hasn’t been complicit in burning paradise either.

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    Yup. Doing Putin’s work. So you’re going to withrdraw from an even more powerful alliance right in the middle of an arms race. Fucking genius strategery right there.

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      Oh boy this Putin guy sounds powerful! He must have 64 bit washing machine CPUs!

      Never take responsibility for the state of your society and country.

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    Just removing the US from another world stage

    Soon we will be completely irrelevant

    Which is the plan

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        Only “solution” I see is civil war. The nukes are still a problem for the rest of the world though

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          Eeeeehhh, if you just look at numbers of boats, yes. The US Navy has far, far more experience, though. Drones are also going to change the game in ways we’re only starting to see with the Ukraine War. With that, the answer might be “everyone’s boats are sunk now”.

          China probably couldn’t gain air superiority over Taiwan, and without that, an invasion will fail. That will be true even if the US ends up losing more boats.

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          sounds like E1 speak to me. I’m sure your BIL is a lovely cadet, but he should learn when to turn-to and stfu.

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      I wish they were just removing themselves from the world stage. What they’re actually doing is shifting away from a model of direct co-operation with allied nations and strong economic ties with otherwise less friendly nations, to unilateral action wherever and whenever they feel like it.

      Their foreign policy isn’t moving towards isolationism, it’s moving towards unchecked fascist domination.

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        lol the currency is heading to worthless, what are they going to buy resources with? Trade also requires allies.

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    That’s fine, just pack your shit and close all military bases in nato countries as well.

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      Hey, you know how much money they spend on having this bases? Some regions depend on it.

      On the other hand… I think Trump and his mad posse wouldn’t risc being such bigmouths without their Bases in Turkey or Ramstein.

      Also their level of megalomanic moronity makes me fear that when the USA leaves Nato it would start attacking the rest of the world. Canada and Mexico first. Then they would find “justifications” to raid through middle america and “bring idiocrazy” to south america. Reinstating slavery for everyone that ain’t “a good godfearing white patriot”… Because… the white race is superiour and needs Lebensraum… Oh god, I’ve heard that shit all over in history class when I grew up in Germany in the 1970ies…

      Please, anyone stop them now!!!

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        I remember german history class aswell, it might get ugly history seems to repeat itself a lot.

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          Yes, why do people never learn from history… Especially when it endangers their lives

          Damnit I remember the frogging digits of the telefonnumber we had in out flat from where we lived until 1980!

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        We should wait for them to start a war with someone like Canada, and THEN ambush them. But to do that, Russia needs to be overrun.

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    Incredible to observe the rapid (self)destruction of US. I’m just waiting for a couple of states to declare independence. Within a 5-10 years USA will be history like the Sovjet Union; it will break down into smaller countries.

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    From a Turkish perspective, it’s fucking ridiculous for Trump to first convince us to increase the defense budget, then withdraw from the alliance completely. The fuck is his goal?

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      “Keep 'em guessing”. You have to understand Trump is not a statesman. It’s that simple. He views everything as a one-to-one personal power dynamic in the context of some silly real estate deal about which restaurant supplier to choose for the crispy tortilla shells.

      I don’t think he understands the ramifications beyond a contract he won’t respect or some clever insult he can hurl.

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        He’s a trust-fund nitwit cosplaying as an entrepreneur, who has been parachuted into the Presidency.

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      Spending more on defense is the republican thing it matters to them more than anything else so it does not matter at all if we even need it.

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    US: “NATO members need to up their defense spending!”

    NATO: “Okay, we’ll do it.”

    US: “Actually, We’re leaving NATO.” 🤡

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          I’m pretty sure that last decade or so has shown that Europe doesn’t spend enough. It’s not just Russia’s invasion. Military action in Libya was reliant on the US to sustain more than a few days of action.

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    As predicted years ago.

    Trump is Putin’s ally, not NATO’s.

    This was forseen by some YEARS ago…

    As I’ve said before, they’re committed to destroying all the “woke” countries in a pincer between Putin & Trump,

    & that’s why Greenland is required, so the US can do to Canada what Russia’s been doing to Ukraine, & once Canada’s destroyed, then the hated-by-them-both EU can be destroyed.

    It’s a strategy, & it will succeed unless the TrueNATO countries SMARTEN UP SHARPLY, QUICKLY, which looks to not be going to happen…

    Whatever.

    There are other worlds in endless-stream-of-universes: our continuums/souls will just do it again, on another world, after obliterating this “Garden of Eden” world, right?

    whatever.

    Watching humankind “prevent” snuffing-of-humankind is like watching a junkie’s life be obliterated by whatever junk they’re addicted-to.

    Inevitable, depressing, pointless…

    Oh, sure, it’s possible that the addict in question might somehow change & fight-for-their-life against their unconscious-mind’s obliteration-addiction, but is it likely?

    not.

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    Well, in a democracy it’s important that people who want this can try to make it happen via official procedure, which this is.

    That said, the people who want this are assholes and probably in bed with Russia.

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      That is the problem with democracies - they have no active protection of their own because it would be undemocratic on principle.

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          Education… educated people think about things. Above all, when is the best time to have a child in terms of financial situation etc. Political and world events etc. can also be taken into consideration. .
          Meanwhile, the uneducated have the 4-5 child.
          The educated now have the problem of age and have waited too long/thought about the fact that having a child is no longer an option.

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              Oh yes, look at the falling birth rates in countries with prosperity… Then compare that with other places in the world… then don’t forget that in other parts of the world many die as babies or children and yet there are constant or rising rates.

              I’m not saying that educated people are dying out or that education is dying out. However, there will always be more stupid people. Especially as the prosperity of the educated is built on the stupid.

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                prosperity of the educated is built on the stupid.

                Can I steal this? Or is this from somewhere else?

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                  I haven’t copied it from anywhere else, but it’s a pretty general statement anyway.

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    So we dont buy US military kit. It’s got kill switches and hard to keep running without their support. It’s increasing looking like they aren’t aligned with the free world.

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      I recommend buying all of Hobby Kings >80 amp ESCs, all their 4S batteries, and lots of high KV outrunner BLDCs. Then buy all the carbon fiber sheets from aliexpress and build drones baby.

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    They want out because it’s stopping to be a market for the US military industries, as Europe increasingly wants to spend domestically. As such, it now has very little interest.

    US: We want you to spend more on defence!
    Europe: Ok, we will buy more, from our own companies!
    US: That’s not what I meant! I’m going home!

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      They wanted to leave during Trump’s first term because it helps Russia’s war with Europe

      The increased spending is just meant to make the incumbents unpopular so the Russian backed candidates can win

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      They want out because it’s stopping to be a market for the US military industries, as Europe increasingly wants to spend domestically. As such, it now has very little interest.

      This is only happening because Drumpf is meddling with deliveries and contracts. It makes America an unreliable supplier and partner when a contract or agreement means nothing because the orange shiteweasel may change his mind tomorrow, and redirect the arms that you already paid for…

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        They’re also threatening to annex or outright invade long-term allies. You don’t want to be in a war where the people you’re fighting against are the only ones who can maintain and replace your weapons.

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            UK is 15% of the F35a supply chain, and 20,000 UK jobs are involved. This decision helps UK too. I will bet however, that overall, there will be less international money spent with the American MIC, but concede that number will be greater than zero.

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            Our PMs have been US lapdogs for longer than I’ve been alive; with a similar both sides issue where all the cunts come from the exact same private schools and social circles.

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      Cause and effect are a little twisted here. Trump was already undermining NATO during is first term by saying European members should spend more. They didn’t agree at the time, but the Ukraine War proved that Europe really did need a more domestic MIC, and now they are.

      Trump wasn’t saying it in the first place because he thought it would help NATO.