Any time I go to a large city im exhausted by being charged for doing anything. How do people have fun if theyre poor(the neat part, you dont, probably). And to make it worse many of them probably have a 1 bedroom apartment so its not like you can sit in there all day long (at least i cant).
I realize im still spending money by being in my house out of town, but still, at least things I buy are owned by me, and im not paying someone else every time I want to do anything. If I want to stay at home all day I have tons of stuff to occupy my mind without going nuts.
I figure 98% of lemmy users live in big cities so id like to hear this perspective!
Walk. Just like I would hike when I lived rurally, walk. There are trails along the River and through the woods, even in the middle of town. But there’s also sidewalks. A town common. Parks. Several playgrounds have pickup basketball if your knees are better than mine, or there’s a track within an easy walk for some more regimented exercise. Our favorite activity starting during Covid is to walk around our city, seeing the sights. It was a great chance to talk with my kids for hours, before they went off to college. And yes we played Pokémon go as something to do while walking (and a game like that is much better in cities), and met several groups of people that way. If that game is too nerdy or childish, there are apps that gamify walking in various ways. If you’re willing to spend a little, sometimes we would stop at a convenience store for a soda or something, but not always.
When I lived in the major city, it was the same only much more. Every weekend had a festival (free). Every weekend had a band playing somewhere outside free. Every weekend had some big free event at multiple parks. Every Wednesday was free museums. Walking the waterfront is really cool and entirely free. Tourist areas sometimes have street entertainers, free. My city is very walkable and has many colleges: every weekend had some event at some college. My city has a lot of history and tourism, organized as a free “trail” and with most historic things free. There are things like a sailing ship that is free to see: you would have to pay for the museum and gift shop but why would you? Read the historic plaques. If a building or something looks historic, look it up.
For a relatively small amount of money, one of my favorite activities was the farmers market: it was huge and cheap (although I haven’t been in many years). Sometimes I just wanted to walk around and see everything (that shopping is selling whole goats?), or I could buy a week’s worth of veggies fresh from the farm for pennies on the dollar. And connect that back to food prep: when I didn’t have much money or time, I’d take all Saturday, goto the farmers market, come back and put together a giant salad for the week, a pasta salad for the week, maybe marinate some meat in some ingredients I bought- basically get half my cooking and shopping out of the way, dirt cheap
For a relatively small amount of money, much cheaper than operating a car, I usually had a subway pass. The core of that major city is very walkable, but the pass opened the entire city by just hopping on a convenient train without having to think about spending in the moment.
As far as staying in the small apartment goes, being in an urban area means gigabit fiber, which I guess a lot of people still don’t have. Being a first class citizen online is priceless and opens a lot of free (after your internet bill) activities involving sitting at your desk
What is this magical city? I’m not being snarky, I promise
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Boston. I admit not all cities are created equal and I’ve been to a few where I couldn’t find anything of interest but there are also many cities, even in the us, that are quite walkable, have excellent amenities, and convenient transit. I’d put nyc, San Francisco, Seattle, Philadelphia and dc in the same category and each is surrounded by excellent small cities; Buffalo, Camden and Detroit not. Austin and Miami have potential but the weather is horrible (I’ll take snow over heat and humidity any day). I really need to visit more cities
Boston has “the emerald necklace”, a chain of award-winning urban parks: one end is the Common and public garden, while the other end is a huge park that includes an arboretum and do they still have a zoo? Boston has tons of history, and the “freedom trail” is a self-guided walk through the city connecting them all. The tall ship uss constitution, the worlds. oldest commissioned warship, yes, officially this is still a us warship and could conceptually sail to Venezuela and protect us from fishermen. It’s absolutely free to tour as are many of the historic buildings.
Cool! I liked Boston when I visited, but I’m the opposite of you weather-wise. I really need to find a progressive place with warm weather. SoCal comes to mind, but $$$
I was gonna guess Portland/Seattle but Boston also makes sense lol.
I would like to kick this back to you, what do you do outside of a big city that is free?
In rural protected areas : outdoor activities like hiking biking climbing picking edible stuffs in the forests.
In small cities : not much.
In rural crops area : dying from pesticides at 50.
Many cities have excellent hiking and biking opportunities. The trails are usually easier, the scenery different, but you probably don’t want to eat stuff you find
The area i live has all this within a few mile walk and there are nearly a million people here. I’m confused. What cities are you visiting that don’t have parks and bike paths. I’ve got a national forest close enough i could walk if i really wanted to. It’s a good 10 miles from me.
Depends on the season. I hunt, fish, garden, and forage in the forest. Sometimes, like this morning, I sit outside and watch the leaves turn pretty colors and fall on the ground. Or I stay up late and watch the Northern Lights if it’s clear enough. Or I can watch a thunderstorm or blizzard roll across the lake. Right now I’m smoking bacon for the winter. I have the last pork belly curing to smoke Sunday and then it’s on to the pork loins for Canadian style bacon.
I don’t need to go to movies, plays, fancy restaurants, or crowds of people. Give me a good pocket knife and a stick to whittle and I can be content with life. But this isn’t for everyone. Not everyone can be comfortable enough with themselves to choose the solitude of a remote rural life. And youth almost always craves excitement over peacefulness.
if you already own an apartment in a city, the chances are that you’d grow used to the space and you’d feel at home, and anything lacking is made up for with closer proximity and easier access to stores and public facilities.
i live in hong kong, one of the densest cities in the world, and i’m able to live comfortably. there’s very little noise where i live because it’s in a less urban area, i get a fantastic view of and immediate access to a riverside park, a mall full of great food and boba just a 15-minute walk away, a library and a big transit hub just a short bus ride away, and from that transit hub, very cheap access to all of hong kong for museum visits, sightseeing, hella hiking and biking trails, exhibitions, etc.
i’ve also lived in berlin for a bit. it was also in a less urban area, in a very tiny apartment, and i was still fine because i had very similar access to amenities. short walk for groceries and transit, access to museums and parks, loads of architecture to admire, and hella döner.
if you’ve only experienced cities in north america… i’m sorry.
The ducks in my local park are free
If you’re a musician, look for open mics / open jams and try to make friends in the scene. Musician-organized diy events are cheap and fun. Especially punk events are cheap.
If you’re interested in art, look for local diy group exhibitions and performances and ask if you can volunteer for support.
If you’re into hacking/diy look for local repair cafes and ask to volunteer.
If you’re into rpg go hang out in local game shops and find a group to play with.
It really depends on what you consider fun!I don’t live in a big city. But, disc golf generally isn’t expensive to get into. Really fun. If you can get around a bit to courses.
I watch tv with my friends once a week 😎
Thrifting can cost money if you buy things, but walking around is free. Bigger city = more thrift stores.
Similarly, I love walking having access to ethnic grocery stores. Spices are cheaper, you have access to organ meats, etc… that are also cheaper. It’s fun to walk into a Filipino or Korean grocery store, do a little research and try to cook something with ingredients I’ve never tried before.
My tiny apartment is on a busy street so it’s also fun to do a little people watching. If I walk to the gas station to get a soda ( <10 minutes) I get to see a ton of activity any time of day.
Festivals are pretty frequent and fun to walk around even if I don’t spend anything. I live near a university as well so there’s always stuff going on.
I’ve lived in a rural area before and couldn’t stand it. Absolutely nothing to do other than go walk around Walmart.
When you live in a big city you learn where you can spend time on the cheap. Look for libraries, beaches, parks.
If you find the right Cafe/bar/tavern, be kind and tip well a couple times and they won’t get sore if you nurse a pint while grinding out the last hundred pages of Dune.
Crack. The trick is you forget you spent the money in the first place.
I spend a lot of time in my workshop. It’s not free but upcycling materials into something new is infinitely satisfying and often saves money.
I’m an Uber nerd andI learn to pirate content. Yes you still need an internet connection and a computer or phone but I can spend days trying to figure out how to install Graphene on my old phone or do something fun or crazy for my home assistant.
Btw, I’m not poor. I just enjoy doing these things.
I live in a big old house from the 1800s with my fiance and a roommate and a dog, with a little yard but it’s tucked away from a lot of the hustle and bustle. My closest neighbor is about 100 feet away.
This is still in city limits. I can just as easily walk, bike, bus, drive wherever to go do fun things. But what you were describing of being occupied at home by hobbies and things to do still applies to me. I’ve been slowly renovating the house myself over the years. Just been working a lot of overtime lately so it’s a bit hard to find the time.
This is in Pittsburgh PA. Most of where people live is in similar situations of old 100+ year old multi-bedroom homes. There are some new “modern” or “luxury” apartments going in around town but if you live in one of those you’re literally just an idiot or an outsider to the area and think that $1.5k rent for a 1br is “cheap” (my whole mortgage is $860 split 3 ways for context)
A lot of interesting answers here. I’d like to talk about something related: everything is rented. Especially in a big city.
You’ll pay to rent a home, a car, a bike, a seat (on a bus or in a place). Especially when you’re in a big city, you don’t own much of anything. You’ll rent a car by getting a taxi or using a ride share service or similar, just so you can get around, or rent a bike to do the same in one of the many variations of public bike sharing services. Then you’ll rent an apartment for a place to live, never buying or owning property of your own. Some people even rent to own their furniture and appliances.
Even those that “buy” a car are often on a lease agreement, which is just an exclusive rental with the option to buy at a discount at the end.
Your phone is probably on some kind of payment programme with your carrier so technically that’s a form of rental as well.
You’ll finance computers and other expensive items, which you don’t technically own until the balance is paid in full.
When living in a city, I’m not sure exactly what you personally own… At most it’s a short list of personal effects… Maybe a few things from Ikea? Some dishes and utensils?
… And it’s only getting more and more extreme. There’s subscription and rental services for almost everything now.
I live outside of any major cities in my area and I own most everything I have. I still have a mortgage, which is a sentence I wasn’t sure I would ever be able to say, but here I am… And I have a few debts, but my name is on the deed to my property, my car is paid off, I paid back my student loans… Other than some credit cards and my house, I own everything I have, outright. I used to live in a city and bluntly, I didn’t own much when I did.
I had somewhat of a debate going with, of all people, a prospective employer, during an interview even. His position was that everything would end up being rented/leased/whatever, with the only exceptions being subscription services for stuff like food and services. He was convinced that was the way things were headed and it was only a matter of time. At that time, I disagreed with him, but looking at everything now, is only proving his point. I got that job by the way.
So my answer for OP is, not much, and the list is getting shorter all the time.
This is probably the most biased and assuming opinion I’ve read on Lemmy… So far. However, I do agree with the second half of your last sentence.
Then you agree with me.
Almost the entirety of the contents of that post were arguments that my interviewer was asserting. I disagreed with him.
I have noticed that a lot more is going to a monthly recurring model, rather than buying something outright.
We used to buy DVDs, we now Subscribe monthly to streaming services. As an example, and hardly the only one.
Bluntly, I don’t think people will accept this shift in ownership for much longer. I know many people who outright reject the notion that everything needs to be paid monthly.
It’s part of the reason why I moved to where I live now, so I can actually own my home. Not just indefinitely rent it from someone else. I strongly believe in ownership and the rights an owner should have over their property… As long as that property isn’t a living person, which would be a very different discussion. I digress.
I hate that I’m seeing this trend. But I’m seeing it, and I know it’s a problem for basically everyone who isn’t one of the owners of the things people are buying/renting/getting “as a service”.
Hmm partially. Thanks for the clarification tho. I do agree there are conveniences that are rentals . I think home ownership is a totally different conversation however so I’ll leave that one alone.
Your statement that companies move towards this garbage subscription model is 100% accurate tho. Couple that with enshitification and you’re at the whims of stakeholder value and CEO bonuses. iTunes can remove and add songs to your library whenever, games can be bought then supporting servers decommissioned, hardware you’ve bought is intentionally hobbled because it’s behind some other subscription, and like you said it’s only getting worse. And every one of these collect and sell your data. So not only are you buying a service but you’re also a product bought and sold. That being said, rental conveniences are different than the subscription model. I don’t think ownership levels are different between urban or city.
I’m also jealous of your outright home ownership lol. I’m working on my mortgage and with the locked in <3% apr I’m not going anywhere. But damn I’d love me 5 acres with a dry lot, access, and utilities already placed.
Oh, I’m still under the thumb of a mortgage… For now.
I’m working on it, but hopefully by retirement I’ll be able to say I outright own my home.
Sorry about the confusion. In my haste to make a point I’ve probably said some things less clearly than I should.
My main motivator for thinking that there’s less home ownership in cities than in less urban areas, is because of density. Between basement rentals and full single-family dwellings being converted to multi family rentals, plus the inclusion of purpose built high-rise apartment buildings, you end up with a lot of families ending up in rental property. Yes, there’s still a lot of homes that are owned, whether a single family house or a condo or something else, there’s a lot of it, but bluntly, you can’t Cram as many people into a single family home compared to how many get crammed into rental properties.
Most rental homes I know of are 2-3 families of 2 or more, so at least 4 people. While plenty of home owners are a married couple and Maybe a kid or two. At best they’re on par, at worst there’s 3 or 4 times as many people per house.
Home owners are simply existing in lower densities.
If I walk down a street in a medium sized town and ask the people on a street if they own or rent, it might come out as 50/50 for how many houses are bought or rented. Given that rentals tend to have higher occupancy, you end up with more families renting than owning, and that’s before you account for apartments and condos.
From my experience apartment buildings are far more common than condos, and generally have smaller units in larger buildings, so there’s simply more people per sq ft, and all of those are renting.
I don’t have hard numbers on any of this, it’s entirely my opinion based on anecdotal evidence at best, but I would estimate that there’s a nontrivial difference in numbers between who might be renting and who is buying/owning.
I definitely could be wrong.